I am going to pray for you Jeannie bean, I hope it doesnt burn.

Your kind of witch craft does not work on me.

Jeannie,

I've been following your discussion with Cowboy. It's clear that for Cowboy's picture of Jesus to work that he must distance himself from the God of the Old Testament as much as possible.

He basically refers to the Old Testament as being:



He desperately needs for the Old Testament to "go away", because he can clearly see that the Old Testament portrays a God that is totally anti-Christ.

He can clearly see that the teachings of Jesus, and the teachings of the Old Testament are so totally opposite to one another that they can never coexist in harmony.

Yet ironically he's in total denial of this when I point out the fact that Jesus taught moral standards and behavioral directives that totally conflict with those of the Old Testament.

Clearly Jesus wasn't the son of the God of Abraham. Therefore he must have been someone else (assuming he existed at all).

Thus I conclude that he was a Mahayana Buddhist Bodhisattva and this solved everything.

Doesn't make it any less of a law if God has someone else write it down. Do you think the president WRITES everyone of the laws that area passed? And or presidents in previous years, do you think THEY were the ones to WRITE the laws into the law book(s)? No. Just because someone doesn't write it THEMSELVES does NOT mean those laws didn't come from that person.

The laws given to us by our god only holds power till all prophecies are fulfilled. All the prophecies of the old testament was fulfilled with Jesus. Thus he fulfilled the laws/covenant previously given to us. Thus Jesus gave us new laws/covenant between man and God. And these laws will hold power till all the prophecies are fulfilled.

Does not matter ONE inkling if the old and new covenant laws don't intermingle. They aren't suppose to. They are two totally different sets of laws. The first one AGAIN was FULFILLED, COMPLETED, FINISHED, and we were given a new set of laws that came with the new covenant. The God from the old testament is the same God as the new testament. They are very very similar. The ONLY main difference is when we are judged. The only reward for sin is death. This is in both covenants. Again, the only real difference between the two is when we are judged.

I am sorry you feel so defeated, I am just one of many humans making their way through life based on faith, observation, education, and intrigue. I also feel i am entitled to any of the forums on this site I feel deemed to participate in.

There you go comparing God with mortal men again.




According to the scriptures Jesus doesn't agree with you. Jesus said nothing about laws becoming obsolete when prophecies are fulfilled.

On the contrary Jesus said that these not one jot nor one tittle shall not pass from law until heaven and earth pass.

So again, your personal interpretations of these scriptures don't appear to be supported by the scriptures themselves as far as I can see.

But one thing that is crystal clear is that even you see the direct conflict between the character of the God of Abraham and the character of Jesus.

In fact, you see this so blatantly that you clearly recognize the need to use Jesus to renounce the ways of the Old Testament.

Like I say, my view of Jesus as a Mahayana Buddhist actually solves those contradictions far better than anything you've suggested thus far.

Well if what Cowboy says were true, and if it were adhered to by all Christians, then they had better toss the old Testament in the trash and stop quoting scripture from it. I insist.

Seriously.

No jews don't become obsolete lol. A jew is only a nationality. And AGAIN Jesus' statement on not one jot shall pass till all prophecies are fulfilled was in referance to the laws HE was giving us. He done fulfilled the old laws, old covenant before hand. You gotta learn to keep things in context and in chronicle logical order.

The old testament is kept there so we know the history of everything. Yesterday is a great day and contains A LOT of knowledge one can learn from for today and tomorrow.

You're arguments are self-destructive and contradictory.

You, yourself, clearly recognize that there are major conflicts between the teachings of the Old Testament and the teachings attributed to Jesus in the New Testament.

You also recognize that this overall biblical story is based on an ideal of an unchanging God. You pretend that this God had not chanced in character, yet you must simultaneously support the ideal that he has changed.

You pretend to reduce the entire shebang to a single concept, "The only reward for sin is death" and try to show that this single concept has not changed and therefore this represents God's unchanging dependability.

But that is truly unconvincing.

You have a God who at one point directs men to judge each other, kill each other, and even condones the seeking of revenge as in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. This same God deals with mankind's sins by drowning out the sinners. (not by offering them a chance at grace through a savior).

But then in the New Testament this same God supposedly asks people to quit judging each other, stop killing each other, and no longer seek revenge but instead turn the other cheek and forgive. And this time he also offers a sacrificial lamb for "Grace" that can be used to seek salvation.

So you keeps screaming, "None of that qualifies as a CHANGE! NOTHING has changed! Death is still the only reward for sin!"

Well, not really. You can now receive GRACE instead of death!

That's a MAJOR CHANGE!

You're constant patching and propping up of these grossly contradicting stories serves no purpose. Other than to try to support the idea that Jesus is the sacrificial lamb of the God of the Old Testament who's moral values and directives even you don't like!

When I was about your age I too considered all the things that you are trying to support, but I quickly realized how futile that approach truly is.


Recognizing that Jesus was simply a Mahayana Buddhist Bodhisattva resolves ALL these contradictions perfectly and leave nothing left to resolve.

It simply works very well, and therefore it is most likely the truth (assuming that Jesus ever existed as all)

The orthodox Christian perspective that you're attempting to hold up is like a dike fill with holes. You're desperately trying to stick your fingers in all the holes in an attempt to keep the old God of the Old Testament from flooding away your new God in Jesus as "The Christ". A scenario that truly cannot be made to work without serious contradictions and conflicts.

Again nothing changed, nothing altered. They are two ENTIRELY SEPARATE sets of laws. The old covenant wasn't "altered, changed, modified" or anything. The first law was fulfilled, completed, finalized, finished. All the prophecies were FULFILLED in the old covenant. When then with the old covenant being completed, God gave us a new one. Again NOTHING CHANGED. They are two TOTALLY DIFFERENT sets of laws.

The advantages of unbelief is that we can live our lives free of sin.

"Sin" is a term that is basically owned by theology alone. Bottom line it boils down to disobedience rather than moral standards.

"The only reward for sin is death" concept is a master-slave concept.

In relation to the slave owners (Gods) humans were considered animals or slaves. A disobedient slave (or pet) was put to death, or it was justified to put them to death.

Slaves were property. They were regarded as animals. Often slaves were given the status of slaves rather than just killing them in war. Their lives basically belonged to the slave owners. (Slave owners are either humans, Gods, or aliens.)

Humans adopted the master-slave mentality and culture from the Gods and the galaxy aliens. (Non human life forms)

News flash: The slaves have freed themselves.

An atheist believes only in death, therefore the threat of death is gone. The threat of Hell is gone. The promise of reward in "heaven" is a lie.

The advantage of unbelief is that the slaves are free to live their lives without interference and without feeling that they have to obey Bible thumping paper popes.

And also again with your famous quoting of the not one jot will pass till all prophecies are fulfilled. Well guess what? All the prophecies were fulfilled in the old testament, old covenant. And again with that happening brought forth a new covenant, the new testament. The laws Jesus gave us.

Exactly.

Hardcore Christian fundamentalism amounts to nothing more than blatant hypocrisy and bigotry. They renounce the Old Testament when it's convenient for their agenda, but keep in close at had to support their bigotries when it comes in handy for that.

It's just a religious system that has hypocrisy built right into it.

If we can't use Jesus to hate you, we'll turn to using the God of the Old Testament!

Sounds like Hitler all over again.

God has no slaves. Nor does he wish to have one. We are obedient out of love, not out of direst. One has to believe in it all first. This would be a willful action. Not under direst, not being forced. It is done through faith. One has to accept it first. And with accepting something, that is done on your own, your free will of doing as such. A "slave" does not go into "slavery" intentionally and on their own free will. That is why they broke free of it. Having a relationship with God is about love. About being obedient and showing our faith that we have in him. Works without faith is dead and faith without works is in vein.

Nobody hates anyone here nor is spreading hate. And again, the old testament is there for HISTORY. For knowledge of YESTERDAY. It contains no power over our souls.

The good slave master knows that the best slaves are the ones who have the illusion that they are free and not slaves at all.

If your slave master does not wish to have slaves, then why does he have a law that to disobey is punishable by death?

And yes, slaves do enter into slavery by their own choice.
1. To avoid being killed or beheaded on the spot.
2. Because they are in debt and can't take care of themselves.

Christians always say that they have no fears, because their Lord and Master will take care of them.

As long as they obey.

If they disobey, they must repent and ask for forgiveness or they will face the punishment of death, or at the very least, the wrath of God.