Topic: Faith versus Fear
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Mon 03/28/11 03:52 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Mon 03/28/11 03:52 PM





Everyone who has studied scripture and ancient legend knows this. Its pretty much common knowledge that stories were borrowed from one scripture or source to another and reworded and changed around.

I don't really have time to go into detail, but even in the Bible there are two different stories about the creation, each are worded differently.



That's hearsay, some evidence of such please.



Why should I bother? It is not my mission to destroy your faith.

If you really want the evidence, (and you don't) then spend the time to find it yourself.




because it is you that said it. If one can not provide evidence of what one says, then it is dismissed as hearsay.

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Mon 03/28/11 04:02 PM
Cowboy wrote:

because it is you that said it. If one can not provide evidence of what one says, then it is dismissed as hearsay.


Well, there you go!

No one has ever been able to provide any evidence of the virgin birth, the miracles, or the resurrection of Jesus.

Therefore by your own standards, those stories must be dismissed as hearsay.

I agree. drinker

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Mon 03/28/11 04:02 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 03/28/11 04:04 PM



Everyone who has studied scripture and ancient legend knows this. Its pretty much common knowledge that stories were borrowed from one scripture or source to another and reworded and changed around.

I don't really have time to go into detail, but even in the Bible there are two different stories about the creation, each are worded differently.



That's hearsay, some evidence of such please.



No, you don't really know what hearsay is but then you are not a lawyer.

Besides you back up your claims with "Because I have Faith."

and a few over-used examples that I have heard and discussed on these forums before. They are weak claims that do not support or prove much. But if they are enough for you, then so be it.

Have a very blissful evening. flowerforyou





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Wed 03/30/11 07:53 AM
I go away for a couple of days and Jellybean gets all upset.

The Bible is the living, breathing word of God. Of course, a book does not have lungs. However, it is God, in written form. By understanding the Word of God, you understand God.

Hope this clarifies things.
Shiki

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Wed 03/30/11 08:28 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 03/30/11 08:41 AM
The word of God is not in a book freakyshiki.( Nor is it the book itself.) If you worship a book you are worshiping an idol.

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Wed 03/30/11 08:56 AM
"The word of God is not in a book."

Wow. Let's discount what the Bible says, in favor of this profound statement. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

And, of course, nowhere is it mentioned that God's word should be written down.

LOL. Come on, Jellybean, stop reading Green Eggs and Ham, and get with the program.

P.S. THAT is a sense of humor.

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Wed 03/30/11 09:25 AM
Edited by AdventureBegins on Wed 03/30/11 09:29 AM

I go away for a couple of days and Jellybean gets all upset.

The Bible is the living, breathing word of God. Of course, a book does not have lungs. However, it is God, in written form. By understanding the Word of God, you understand God.

Hope this clarifies things.
Shiki


The Quran claims also to be the 'word of god' in written form.

Islam claims also that one must believe in the Prophet of Islam to be 'accepted' by god...

Men wrote both books.

God is greater than both.

Mankind is as the mustard seed.

God is as the water that brings growth to that seed(and the sun which the sprout seeks for sustenance).

.

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Wed 03/30/11 09:29 AM
"The Quran claims also to be the 'word of god' in written form."

It does? Can you show where this is?

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Wed 03/30/11 09:29 AM

I go away for a couple of days and Jellybean gets all upset.

The Bible is the living, breathing word of God. Of course, a book does not have lungs. However, it is God, in written form. By understanding the Word of God, you understand God.

Hope this clarifies things.
Shiki



I imagine it also serves as physical proof for those whose faith is not sufficient to beleive in, and worship, what they consider to be the source of their creation.

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Wed 03/30/11 09:30 AM
Redy: I'm still waiting for the dozens of documents you stated refuting Christ's resurrection. So far, nobody has found one.

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Wed 03/30/11 09:32 AM

"The word of God is not in a book."

Wow. Let's discount what the Bible says, in favor of this profound statement. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

And, of course, nowhere is it mentioned that God's word should be written down.

LOL. Come on, Jellybean, stop reading Green Eggs and Ham, and get with the program.

P.S. THAT is a sense of humor.


We cannot possibly understand what the bible is saying - there do not seem to be enough people to come to an overriding consensus on the subject. And if you TRY to give an opinion, others will be offended that you would even think of speaking for anyone other than yourself.


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Wed 03/30/11 09:41 AM
Edited by AdventureBegins on Wed 03/30/11 09:42 AM

"The Quran claims also to be the 'word of god' in written form."

It does? Can you show where this is?

Why?

God is greater than any book. The bible or the kalamallah of the Quran.

If you seek truth you can find it.

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Wed 03/30/11 09:42 AM
Edited by Redykeulous on Wed 03/30/11 09:44 AM

"The Quran claims also to be the 'word of god' in written form."

It does? Can you show where this is?


People have been known to speak for God and some have even said they do - but who is to say which ones actually do? How would you know.

The book says so - how is that different than anyone else saying they speak for god or some other written work speaks for god.

PALEEZE! Geez people teach this kind of stuff to CHILDREN and then they wonder why their sense of logic in so many other areas is lacking?

Worse, they can't figure out why some people consider it child abuse to teach closed minded fundamentalism to children. I think it goes farther than that, it's human abuse - who knows what child will grow up and become the next mass bomber or suicide bomber taking thousands of people with them.

(but we don't worry about Christians, they aren't taught to hate) they are only taught discriminate against others - that's not hate that's pure ego. But when discrimination and ego gets out of control then we see Uganda and other places that want to enstate the death penalty for people whose love is NOT directed in the ONE RIGHT direction.

Well - I guess that means that ego is just as dangerous as hate.

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Wed 03/30/11 10:24 AM


I go away for a couple of days and Jellybean gets all upset.

The Bible is the living, breathing word of God. Of course, a book does not have lungs. However, it is God, in written form. By understanding the Word of God, you understand God.

Hope this clarifies things.
Shiki



I imagine it also serves as physical proof for those whose faith is not sufficient to beleive in, and worship, what they consider to be the source of their creation.



I dont agree with this judgment call actually. The Bible , for me, is not indicator of insufficient faith. ITs like saying, if I research my grandpa jack its because I dont have faith he existed. The bible is a historical source for me, it gives me insight into how Gods design is and continues to be implemented. It tells me some of the reason and some of the ways he has worked and continues to work. I can believe and worship in God without a book, the same as I can probably figure out how to put certain things together without a manual,, but its a resource that helps to clarify whatever questions might linger because(Faith or not) none of us Know it all,,,,

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Wed 03/30/11 10:24 AM
I am merely answering the statement of "The Quran claims also to be the 'word of god' in written form."

Where is this claim?

Is this the pattern of the unbelievers? To make statements without the knowledge or facts to back them up?

Seriously, if you are going to say something, you should back it up with evidence. As an example, Redykeulous, you wrote there were dozens of documents disputing Christ's resurrection. I asked you to name one. You can't (because there are none).

Now, AdventureBegins states that "The Quran claims also to be the 'word of god' in written form."

Again, I say back this up with this in the Qu'Ran. If you can't back it up, you should not say it.

You may not agree with me, but when I say something exists in the Bible, I back it up. We can definitely agree to disagree. But to make statements that things exist without being able to show they do is not intelligent.

Just my two cents.
Shiki

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Wed 03/30/11 12:15 PM
I did back it up.

You did not see.

Your mind is closed.

to one like me.

(may the 'kalamallah' from both the bible and the Quran open thine eyes).

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Wed 03/30/11 12:18 PM

Cowboy wrote:

because it is you that said it. If one can not provide evidence of what one says, then it is dismissed as hearsay.


Well, there you go!

No one has ever been able to provide any evidence of the virgin birth, the miracles, or the resurrection of Jesus.

Therefore by your own standards, those stories must be dismissed as hearsay.

I agree. drinker


There is just as much evidence for that as there is anything else.


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Wed 03/30/11 12:26 PM

You don't seem to have any concept of what evidence even is Cowboy. You will believe anything apparently.

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Wed 03/30/11 12:33 PM


You don't seem to have any concept of what evidence even is Cowboy. You will believe anything apparently.


Evidence is something that points to something being true. The scriptures point to it being true. Weather YOU wish to give the evidence credit or not is totally up to you.

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Wed 03/30/11 12:34 PM



You don't seem to have any concept of what evidence even is Cowboy. You will believe anything apparently.


Evidence is something that points to something being true. The scriptures point to it being true. Weather YOU wish to give the evidence credit or not is totally up to you.



Yep it is. Therefore it's not evidence.