Why is it okay to take money from others by force? I mean healthcare a right? I won't get nothing but a bill, my healthcare won't change except maybe get worse! Why is it people don't understand working people pay the bills of government and there is no free lunch for us! What happens when we have had enough and refuse to pay your bills anymore! I don't get the thought of freeloading! Do Americans even have pride anymore or are they just all waiting in line with their hand out? Look if you want government healthcare why not just send your money to the government and let them care for you, and allow me to opt out? I tell you why cause you want me to pay for you! That's what this is really about! You want free healthcare for you and double priced heathcare for me right? yeah that's the truth and nobody wants to admit it! Unless you actually beleive the government will make it cheaper! But I can't beleive anyone buys that lie! So which is it? Do you beleive government will make it cheaper or do you want other citizens to pay your share?

Look at it this way. The insurance companies make trillions but do nothing to improve health care. Cut out their overhead and we can save maybe 40 cents on the dollar. With a single payer for 300 million we also get tremendous buying leverage to reduce cost of services and can reasonably demand that we get as favorable drug prices here in the US as anywhere else in the world. Nothing wrong with wringing dead weight and inefficiency out of the system. This is why our system is twice the cost of everyone else's. There is no reason for the US to pay double.

Will the government do a perfect job running the system? No.

Can we do a better job than any other country in the world? Perhaps.

Are we destined to always do worse than the current best country - France? No.

Let's save the money first. Then we can adopt one of the successful models pretty much as it is in one of the other countries and then we can work on improving it and making it even more cost effective and productive and try to have the best price/performance in the world.

But save the wasted money first.

right now, when millions either don't have it, or simply can't afford it, you are already paying for them. how do you not see that?

it is not going to be "run" by the government, that is misinformation, plain and simple. what it will do is limit the power of the pharmaceutical companies, who have been raping this country for years. it is going to change the way the insurance companies do business as well. if you need me to explain the problems with that industry, you have been living in a cave all of your life.

when a very similar mandate was first proposed during the Clinton administration, (by republicans) a lot of republicans thought this was the answer. now that it is back and on the verge of being implemented, all of a sudden many of these same people label it a "socialist" program. can you explain that to me?

Well, regulating the insurance companies so they don't rip anyone off shouldn't cost the government any money and thus shouldn't require any new tax dollars.

..the truth be known ..it has been our government who has been raping our country for years,between their lack of oversight,the misappropriation of funds in social security to the tune of 2.6 trillion dollars,the lies to get us into war and the real estate debacle..there is no money for health care for most people,because the government has taken it.but yet they get the finest of health care and major benefits on our backs..

I think you all are dreaming. Lobbyists give money to congress and get whatever they want, which is what the insurance companies and drug companies have been doing and will continue to do.

Every estimate of congress, shows how much cost will continue to rise because a rise is what makes profits for those who "donate" to their elections.

If you want congress to really change how they operate, remove the financial incentive to do the wrong thing.

People who oppose health care reform just don't understand what's going on. I have friends in Canada and a sister in England. They freely admit that their nationalized health care systems aren't perfect, but state emphatically that they're much better than ours her in the US--which, by the way, is NOT the best in the world.

For the record, the US health care ranks 37th among countries: http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

Check it out for yourself.

Very well explained Slow.

Again someone who gets the problem.

Thanks to the Republican Party this is more true now than ever.


President Barack Obama said he is freezing the pay of senior White House staff employees who make more than $100,000 a year and imposing new ethics rules designed to diminish the influence of lobbyists.

Obama also said he is ordering federal agencies to make it easier for the public to get documents and information from the government.

“We are here as public servants, and public service is a privilege,” Obama said, addressing his White House staff and Cabinet on his first full day in office. “It’s not about advancing yourself or your corporate clients.”

The president’s directives were among his first official acts and preceded meetings with his top advisers on the two major challenges facing his administration: the faltering economy and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In all, Obama signed two executive orders and three presidential directives aimed at making government more open and accountable and taking steps toward fulfilling some of his campaign promises.

The president said that when top White House aides leave government, they are barred from lobbying “for as long as I am president, and there will be a ban on gifts by lobbyists to anyone serving in the administration.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aYSQ9OT7ErVU&refer=home


The Repubs sued in the SC and overturned all lobbying restrictions.

You should read the whole article ChaZ.

Tax Payers are still going to be paying for it.

Who pays for Medicaid? Who is going to pay the $2500 for people that can't pay it?

Who is going to pay for the costs above the $2500?

Pretending that taxpayers aren't going to be paying for this anymore is not an argument you can win.

A lot of naive people in this thread.

A lot of naive people in this thread.

You said that twice!

I think she anticipated that someone would post 'you can say that again'


lol

I think many are missing the point here! Point one was liberty! How is it right for some citizens to impose their will upon others? If i have no option it is not American! Second is how will government fix it? One person said people against obamacare are uninformed. Really? But they phrased Obamacare as "healthcare reform". Look no one is against healthcare reform, just the current version of it in the form of Obamacare. Healthcare reform can come thru regulation without making it government healthcare! One more point, to refer to democracies or socialist sytems as an example is inaccurate We are a Republic, if you want a different form of government go there! As long as we are a republic i have rights that can not be voted away! You can try but in the end the supreme court has the last say! So when you force me to opt into a system i disagree it is another errosion of my civil liberties! The only argument the so called "INFORMED" person as stated can make is for the better good. To do so i think you need eveidence and supporting facts it is just that! I do not feel the democrats made their case for that at all! On the contrary the republicans have proved the math doesn't add up and this bill infringes on my civil liberties! So agree or disagree if you are informed you need to make your argument make sense! So please if your going to state uninformed know your stuff!

Nice rant.

Not accurate at all.

For one only those who make quite a bit of money will be "forced" to pay the equivalent of a health care premium for a year as a tax on their income taxes.

Second, poor people don't pay taxes. If you get a refund you don't pay taxes. So that is half of the country that don't pay a red damn dime but I bet they are biitchin about the taxes they don't pay.

Third people who ask for help or need help are not lazy no goods, that is really a prejudiced way of thinking that isn't true.

So basically in my opinion this rant is really irrelevant to any valid concerns in this country.

Lets move on to something constructive and helpful to this country.

Are you kidding me? This bill is basically slavery! When you are forced to pay for something whether you want it or need it, you are not free! Hell, under this healthcare reform, the government will eventually have access to your bank account and your money! Don't believe me, read the thing yourself, I'm not lying.

Further, if it's not bad enough that people are gonna be forced into paying, the only care they will get is what the government chooses for them, again illustrating a lack of freedom, and an agenda.

This thing stinks to high heaven on many levels if one is actually paying attention. It is far from what you think it is. There's a reason so many are opposed to this.