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Sorry Dragon but just because you get a refund doesn't mean you don't pay taxes it just means you over paid your taxes or you had some deductions. When I got a 3k refund for my taxes it didn't mean I didn't pay taxes because you paid about 13k. I just got 3k of that back so I paid 10k.
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Why is it okay to take money from others by force? I mean healthcare a right? I won't get nothing but a bill, my healthcare won't change except maybe get worse! Why is it people don't understand working people pay the bills of government and there is no free lunch for us! What happens when we have had enough and refuse to pay your bills anymore! I don't get the thought of freeloading! Do Americans even have pride anymore or are they just all waiting in line with their hand out? Look if you want government healthcare why not just send your money to the government and let them care for you, and allow me to opt out? I tell you why cause you want me to pay for you! That's what this is really about! You want free healthcare for you and double priced heathcare for me right? yeah that's the truth and nobody wants to admit it! Unless you actually beleive the government will make it cheaper! But I can't beleive anyone buys that lie! So which is it? Do you beleive government will make it cheaper or do you want other citizens to pay your share? It makes me sick to hear someone from Calif talk this way. There are 49 other states whose citizens already carry your bill on our taxes. How many bail outs has Calif received from the Fed government anyway? I make good money and have great insurance. I say HC is a right of all humans. Not just Americans but all humans, but then I am not self centered and have humanity. If you have a job and good health quit your bitching. A lot of people have neither. Be grateful for what you do have and get a little humanity in your soul. First off, makes me sick that california sucks off the fed too, I have said it in other posts! Doesn't mean all californians suck off the system and assuming all californians do is bigoted and inaccuarate!!! I make good money as well, have great health insurance and your missing the point! Just because i am against a system that promises healthcare to the poor doesn't mean i am wrong! Oh yes, your rhetoric makes it seem this way but the reality is this sir! The promise won't be kept! Do you get that? I mean really do you get that? Can't i beleive that it's another lie by breuracrats to suck money into and endless pit that will be nothing but dysfunction? Can't you see that it's not about helping the poor? Really think about it! These programs fail because as nobal as your intentions may be sir that history and reality dictate otherwise! It's rhetoric! They don't give a damn about the poor and will only put in place a front and the problem will not be solved! That's the opinion of the realist! Not that we don't want to help, just that we know from years of getting it in the blank with no grease that its all rhetoric and the people won't receive what promised! Not evreything is a right left issue there is a reality to politics! It's a farse and the American people know it! Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me! Be grateful for what I have? Really sir? Your damn right i'm grateful, grateful for having free speech! And when politicians and their drones tell me shut up and sit down I say hell no! I'm not bitching about helping others, i'm bitching about a farse that is sold as helping the poor that is really a money grab for a failed idealolgy! Don't you get that communism doesn't work? Does not history show this? Ofcourse it does and nationalized healthcare no matter how you slice it is a form of communism and that's only half the problem! It is also being handed to an overbloated, dysfuntional, failed, pathetic beauracracy! So understand the point when people speak it! Utopia although a great idea, it remains just that, an "idea" and in the real world where i live promises from government to help the poor little women and children is just a ploy on my sympathy to get me in the prone position and ready to spread my cheeks! So yes, your damn right i demand my liberty cause i know it is my god given right and i'm not saying sorry for it! I know with liberty I have a check and balance on government and i'm not willing to trade it for a promise of free healthcare! And giving a crackhead free crack is not humane! Throwing money at problems does not work! IF you want to trully help the poor your gonna have to get your hands dirty! Thinking that throwing five bucks in the hat is a fix is absurd! The programs out there that trully work come with money yes but in addition they have tough love and if your honest about this you will see that! Government does not acomplish that task and it never will because of the size of it! these things must be acomplished at the local level period! Here's the thing too, with a lot of these government level charities and stuff, how do you know where your money is going? How do you know all that money is going where they say it is? You don't. Take the various cancer charities for example, they've been asking for money year after year after year forever to find a "cure", yet where is it? I don't see one do you? Really there are already things in nature that can cure it but they'll never tell you because then they'd lose all their money in donations and treatment costs every year. It's all about the money, and that's what a lot of these charities tend to boil down to. It's one of the biggest scams out there, they pull on the heartstrings, make it seem like they care about this or that, and then pocket the money from the gullible who fall for it while the problems still persist. You want to make change? Do it on a local grassroots level, where you can see where your money is going, where your time is going, where you can feel the difference you are making. That's where real change is gonna come from, from us, not from them. Further, part of the problem we have right now with the economic system is we tend to reward those who do nothing to help themselves, more so than those that actually do. It stifles creativity and hard work, when you can get more from unemployment benefits then you can get from an actual job. They want us reliant on them, don't you see this? |
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Obama Bin Laden Care. really, really? are you honestly comparing the President of your country to Bin Laden? seriously? They figure if they say it enough people will believe it. They have no other argument. |
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Obama Bin Laden Care. really, really? are you honestly comparing the President of your country to Bin Laden? seriously? They figure if they say it enough people will believe it. They have no other argument. Actually i made a very clear argument in this post! When facts hit the table you just repeat the same old thing! Dont you care about the poor little babies? If you don't give me a gazillion dollars to spend on my new jet how will the babies get healthcare! The facts remain clear, government anything is an utter failure and always will be! |
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what has any of that to do with Bin Laden?
this is the country of opportunity except for those who work in government,,,,is that how it should be instead? |
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what has any of that to do with Bin Laden? this is the country of opportunity except for those who work in government,,,,is that how it should be instead? yeah actually i had no intention on refering to the whole bin laden thing. I was only commenting on there was no other argument... Not that i care about the sarcasm just not very good language in a debate if you want to enlighten others! |
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Obama Bin Laden Care. really, really? are you honestly comparing the President of your country to Bin Laden? seriously? Your right, I shouldn't insult Osama Bin Laden like that. |
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Sorry Dragon but just because you get a refund doesn't mean you don't pay taxes it just means you over paid your taxes or you had some deductions. When I got a 3k refund for my taxes it didn't mean I didn't pay taxes because you paid about 13k. I just got 3k of that back so I paid 10k. Not true. If you get any money back you are getting your taxes returned to you. |
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Sorry Dragon but just because you get a refund doesn't mean you don't pay taxes it just means you over paid your taxes or you had some deductions. When I got a 3k refund for my taxes it didn't mean I didn't pay taxes because you paid about 13k. I just got 3k of that back so I paid 10k. Oh and very very 
I guess I am stupid, right? |
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Why is it okay to take money from others by force? I mean healthcare a right? I won't get nothing but a bill, my healthcare won't change except maybe get worse! Why is it people don't understand working people pay the bills of government and there is no free lunch for us! What happens when we have had enough and refuse to pay your bills anymore! I don't get the thought of freeloading! Do Americans even have pride anymore or are they just all waiting in line with their hand out? Look if you want government healthcare why not just send your money to the government and let them care for you, and allow me to opt out? I tell you why cause you want me to pay for you! That's what this is really about! You want free healthcare for you and double priced heathcare for me right? yeah that's the truth and nobody wants to admit it! Unless you actually beleive the government will make it cheaper! But I can't beleive anyone buys that lie! So which is it? Do you beleive government will make it cheaper or do you want other citizens to pay your share? It makes me sick to hear someone from Calif talk this way. There are 49 other states whose citizens already carry your bill on our taxes. How many bail outs has Calif received from the Fed government anyway? I make good money and have great insurance. I say HC is a right of all humans. Not just Americans but all humans, but then I am not self centered and have humanity. If you have a job and good health quit your bitching. A lot of people have neither. Be grateful for what you do have and get a little humanity in your soul. First off, makes me sick that california sucks off the fed too, I have said it in other posts! Doesn't mean all californians suck off the system and assuming all californians do is bigoted and inaccuarate!!! I make good money as well, have great health insurance and your missing the point! Just because i am against a system that promises healthcare to the poor doesn't mean i am wrong! Oh yes, your rhetoric makes it seem this way but the reality is this sir! The promise won't be kept! Do you get that? I mean really do you get that? Can't i beleive that it's another lie by breuracrats to suck money into and endless pit that will be nothing but dysfunction? Can't you see that it's not about helping the poor? Really think about it! These programs fail because as nobal as your intentions may be sir that history and reality dictate otherwise! It's rhetoric! They don't give a damn about the poor and will only put in place a front and the problem will not be solved! That's the opinion of the realist! Not that we don't want to help, just that we know from years of getting it in the blank with no grease that its all rhetoric and the people won't receive what promised! Not evreything is a right left issue there is a reality to politics! It's a farse and the American people know it! Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me! Be grateful for what I have? Really sir? Your damn right i'm grateful, grateful for having free speech! And when politicians and their drones tell me shut up and sit down I say hell no! I'm not bitching about helping others, i'm bitching about a farse that is sold as helping the poor that is really a money grab for a failed idealolgy! Don't you get that communism doesn't work? Does not history show this? Ofcourse it does and nationalized healthcare no matter how you slice it is a form of communism and that's only half the problem! It is also being handed to an overbloated, dysfuntional, failed, pathetic beauracracy! So understand the point when people speak it! Utopia although a great idea, it remains just that, an "idea" and in the real world where i live promises from government to help the poor little women and children is just a ploy on my sympathy to get me in the prone position and ready to spread my cheeks! So yes, your damn right i demand my liberty cause i know it is my god given right and i'm not saying sorry for it! I know with liberty I have a check and balance on government and i'm not willing to trade it for a promise of free healthcare! And giving a crackhead free crack is not humane! Throwing money at problems does not work! IF you want to trully help the poor your gonna have to get your hands dirty! Thinking that throwing five bucks in the hat is a fix is absurd! The programs out there that trully work come with money yes but in addition they have tough love and if your honest about this you will see that! Government does not acomplish that task and it never will because of the size of it! these things must be acomplished at the local level period! Here's the thing too, with a lot of these government level charities and stuff, how do you know where your money is going? How do you know all that money is going where they say it is? You don't. Take the various cancer charities for example, they've been asking for money year after year after year forever to find a "cure", yet where is it? I don't see one do you? Really there are already things in nature that can cure it but they'll never tell you because then they'd lose all their money in donations and treatment costs every year. It's all about the money, and that's what a lot of these charities tend to boil down to. It's one of the biggest scams out there, they pull on the heartstrings, make it seem like they care about this or that, and then pocket the money from the gullible who fall for it while the problems still persist. You want to make change? Do it on a local grassroots level, where you can see where your money is going, where your time is going, where you can feel the difference you are making. That's where real change is gonna come from, from us, not from them. Further, part of the problem we have right now with the economic system is we tend to reward those who do nothing to help themselves, more so than those that actually do. It stifles creativity and hard work, when you can get more from unemployment benefits then you can get from an actual job. They want us reliant on them, don't you see this? Considering that our government does not reward those who do nothing more than those who do stuff. Unemployment is paid into for the very reason that people end up having times of unemployment. It is a safety net for those WHO WORK go figure. 
The attitude of some in this country that the poor are poor by their own making is one of our countries greatest disappointments. Many many people go from welfare/foodstamps/etc... to upstanding citizens who give back to this country. There are some on these very boards. It is a very ugly generalization in my opinion. |
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Sorry Dragon but just because you get a refund doesn't mean you don't pay taxes it just means you over paid your taxes or you had some deductions. When I got a 3k refund for my taxes it didn't mean I didn't pay taxes because you paid about 13k. I just got 3k of that back so I paid 10k. Oh and very very
I guess I am stupid, right? Thats a good question if you think paying 10k in taxes is not paying taxes. |
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Sorry Dragon but just because you get a refund doesn't mean you don't pay taxes it just means you over paid your taxes or you had some deductions. When I got a 3k refund for my taxes it didn't mean I didn't pay taxes because you paid about 13k. I just got 3k of that back so I paid 10k. Oh and very very
I guess I am stupid, right? want me to answer that?
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Why is it okay to take money from others by force? I mean healthcare a right? I won't get nothing but a bill, my healthcare won't change except maybe get worse! Why is it people don't understand working people pay the bills of government and there is no free lunch for us! What happens when we have had enough and refuse to pay your bills anymore! I don't get the thought of freeloading! Do Americans even have pride anymore or are they just all waiting in line with their hand out? Look if you want government healthcare why not just send your money to the government and let them care for you, and allow me to opt out? I tell you why cause you want me to pay for you! That's what this is really about! You want free healthcare for you and double priced heathcare for me right? yeah that's the truth and nobody wants to admit it! Unless you actually beleive the government will make it cheaper! But I can't beleive anyone buys that lie! So which is it? Do you beleive government will make it cheaper or do you want other citizens to pay your share? It makes me sick to hear someone from Calif talk this way. There are 49 other states whose citizens already carry your bill on our taxes. How many bail outs has Calif received from the Fed government anyway? I make good money and have great insurance. I say HC is a right of all humans. Not just Americans but all humans, but then I am not self centered and have humanity. If you have a job and good health quit your bitching. A lot of people have neither. Be grateful for what you do have and get a little humanity in your soul. First off, makes me sick that california sucks off the fed too, I have said it in other posts! Doesn't mean all californians suck off the system and assuming all californians do is bigoted and inaccuarate!!! I make good money as well, have great health insurance and your missing the point! Just because i am against a system that promises healthcare to the poor doesn't mean i am wrong! Oh yes, your rhetoric makes it seem this way but the reality is this sir! The promise won't be kept! Do you get that? I mean really do you get that? Can't i beleive that it's another lie by breuracrats to suck money into and endless pit that will be nothing but dysfunction? Can't you see that it's not about helping the poor? Really think about it! These programs fail because as nobal as your intentions may be sir that history and reality dictate otherwise! It's rhetoric! They don't give a damn about the poor and will only put in place a front and the problem will not be solved! That's the opinion of the realist! Not that we don't want to help, just that we know from years of getting it in the blank with no grease that its all rhetoric and the people won't receive what promised! Not evreything is a right left issue there is a reality to politics! It's a farse and the American people know it! Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me! Be grateful for what I have? Really sir? Your damn right i'm grateful, grateful for having free speech! And when politicians and their drones tell me shut up and sit down I say hell no! I'm not bitching about helping others, i'm bitching about a farse that is sold as helping the poor that is really a money grab for a failed idealolgy! Don't you get that communism doesn't work? Does not history show this? Ofcourse it does and nationalized healthcare no matter how you slice it is a form of communism and that's only half the problem! It is also being handed to an overbloated, dysfuntional, failed, pathetic beauracracy! So understand the point when people speak it! Utopia although a great idea, it remains just that, an "idea" and in the real world where i live promises from government to help the poor little women and children is just a ploy on my sympathy to get me in the prone position and ready to spread my cheeks! So yes, your damn right i demand my liberty cause i know it is my god given right and i'm not saying sorry for it! I know with liberty I have a check and balance on government and i'm not willing to trade it for a promise of free healthcare! And giving a crackhead free crack is not humane! Throwing money at problems does not work! IF you want to trully help the poor your gonna have to get your hands dirty! Thinking that throwing five bucks in the hat is a fix is absurd! The programs out there that trully work come with money yes but in addition they have tough love and if your honest about this you will see that! Government does not acomplish that task and it never will because of the size of it! these things must be acomplished at the local level period! Here's the thing too, with a lot of these government level charities and stuff, how do you know where your money is going? How do you know all that money is going where they say it is? You don't. Take the various cancer charities for example, they've been asking for money year after year after year forever to find a "cure", yet where is it? I don't see one do you? Really there are already things in nature that can cure it but they'll never tell you because then they'd lose all their money in donations and treatment costs every year. It's all about the money, and that's what a lot of these charities tend to boil down to. It's one of the biggest scams out there, they pull on the heartstrings, make it seem like they care about this or that, and then pocket the money from the gullible who fall for it while the problems still persist. You want to make change? Do it on a local grassroots level, where you can see where your money is going, where your time is going, where you can feel the difference you are making. That's where real change is gonna come from, from us, not from them. Further, part of the problem we have right now with the economic system is we tend to reward those who do nothing to help themselves, more so than those that actually do. It stifles creativity and hard work, when you can get more from unemployment benefits then you can get from an actual job. They want us reliant on them, don't you see this? Considering that our government does not reward those who do nothing more than those who do stuff. Unemployment is paid into for the very reason that people end up having times of unemployment. It is a safety net for those WHO WORK go figure.
The attitude of some in this country that the poor are poor by their own making is one of our countries greatest disappointments. Many many people go from welfare/foodstamps/etc... to upstanding citizens who give back to this country. There are some on these very boards. It is a very ugly generalization in my opinion. well, then who's fault is it? there has to be rich people and there has to be poor people... that is the free enterprise system... anyone that tries can be rich, if they have the determination to do it. it takes a lot less determination to be poor... |
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Why is it okay to take money from others by force? I mean healthcare a right? I won't get nothing but a bill, my healthcare won't change except maybe get worse! Why is it people don't understand working people pay the bills of government and there is no free lunch for us! What happens when we have had enough and refuse to pay your bills anymore! I don't get the thought of freeloading! Do Americans even have pride anymore or are they just all waiting in line with their hand out? Look if you want government healthcare why not just send your money to the government and let them care for you, and allow me to opt out? I tell you why cause you want me to pay for you! That's what this is really about! You want free healthcare for you and double priced heathcare for me right? yeah that's the truth and nobody wants to admit it! Unless you actually beleive the government will make it cheaper! But I can't beleive anyone buys that lie! So which is it? Do you beleive government will make it cheaper or do you want other citizens to pay your share? It makes me sick to hear someone from Calif talk this way. There are 49 other states whose citizens already carry your bill on our taxes. How many bail outs has Calif received from the Fed government anyway? I make good money and have great insurance. I say HC is a right of all humans. Not just Americans but all humans, but then I am not self centered and have humanity. If you have a job and good health quit your bitching. A lot of people have neither. Be grateful for what you do have and get a little humanity in your soul. First off, makes me sick that california sucks off the fed too, I have said it in other posts! Doesn't mean all californians suck off the system and assuming all californians do is bigoted and inaccuarate!!! I make good money as well, have great health insurance and your missing the point! Just because i am against a system that promises healthcare to the poor doesn't mean i am wrong! Oh yes, your rhetoric makes it seem this way but the reality is this sir! The promise won't be kept! Do you get that? I mean really do you get that? Can't i beleive that it's another lie by breuracrats to suck money into and endless pit that will be nothing but dysfunction? Can't you see that it's not about helping the poor? Really think about it! These programs fail because as nobal as your intentions may be sir that history and reality dictate otherwise! It's rhetoric! They don't give a damn about the poor and will only put in place a front and the problem will not be solved! That's the opinion of the realist! Not that we don't want to help, just that we know from years of getting it in the blank with no grease that its all rhetoric and the people won't receive what promised! Not evreything is a right left issue there is a reality to politics! It's a farse and the American people know it! Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me! Be grateful for what I have? Really sir? Your damn right i'm grateful, grateful for having free speech! And when politicians and their drones tell me shut up and sit down I say hell no! I'm not bitching about helping others, i'm bitching about a farse that is sold as helping the poor that is really a money grab for a failed idealolgy! Don't you get that communism doesn't work? Does not history show this? Ofcourse it does and nationalized healthcare no matter how you slice it is a form of communism and that's only half the problem! It is also being handed to an overbloated, dysfuntional, failed, pathetic beauracracy! So understand the point when people speak it! Utopia although a great idea, it remains just that, an "idea" and in the real world where i live promises from government to help the poor little women and children is just a ploy on my sympathy to get me in the prone position and ready to spread my cheeks! So yes, your damn right i demand my liberty cause i know it is my god given right and i'm not saying sorry for it! I know with liberty I have a check and balance on government and i'm not willing to trade it for a promise of free healthcare! And giving a crackhead free crack is not humane! Throwing money at problems does not work! IF you want to trully help the poor your gonna have to get your hands dirty! Thinking that throwing five bucks in the hat is a fix is absurd! The programs out there that trully work come with money yes but in addition they have tough love and if your honest about this you will see that! Government does not acomplish that task and it never will because of the size of it! these things must be acomplished at the local level period! Here's the thing too, with a lot of these government level charities and stuff, how do you know where your money is going? How do you know all that money is going where they say it is? You don't. Take the various cancer charities for example, they've been asking for money year after year after year forever to find a "cure", yet where is it? I don't see one do you? Really there are already things in nature that can cure it but they'll never tell you because then they'd lose all their money in donations and treatment costs every year. It's all about the money, and that's what a lot of these charities tend to boil down to. It's one of the biggest scams out there, they pull on the heartstrings, make it seem like they care about this or that, and then pocket the money from the gullible who fall for it while the problems still persist. You want to make change? Do it on a local grassroots level, where you can see where your money is going, where your time is going, where you can feel the difference you are making. That's where real change is gonna come from, from us, not from them. Further, part of the problem we have right now with the economic system is we tend to reward those who do nothing to help themselves, more so than those that actually do. It stifles creativity and hard work, when you can get more from unemployment benefits then you can get from an actual job. They want us reliant on them, don't you see this? Considering that our government does not reward those who do nothing more than those who do stuff. Unemployment is paid into for the very reason that people end up having times of unemployment. It is a safety net for those WHO WORK go figure.
The attitude of some in this country that the poor are poor by their own making is one of our countries greatest disappointments. Many many people go from welfare/foodstamps/etc... to upstanding citizens who give back to this country. There are some on these very boards. It is a very ugly generalization in my opinion. Actually you are incorrect unemployment originally paid no money at all and years later they incorporated handing out checks and the argument then was to keep the economy from from freezing up like in the thirties. It was never proposed as or designed as a safety net for the employee. I hate to say it but you are actually often factually incorrct! You really need to create your own thought! |
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Why not... allow me to opt out? I tell you why cause you want me to pay for you! That's what this is really about! Well... what if you get sick and need a new kidney or open heart surgery, before the system is maxed out with demands? I mean, you pay half the cost what others pay. But open heart surgery is at least $600,000. In your area, where your health coverage is paid, it's $300,000. Are you willing to pay $40 a month more in taxes, to save $300,000? It's called "insurance". Not everyone will use the system for their benefit; but everyone will have an equal chance to benefit from it. It's like the lottery. Not everyone wins; but everyone pays who buys a ticket. For every lottery winner who wins more than 1,000,000, there are 14,989,442 ticket buyers who don't win a million. For every guy who needs open heart surgery, there are 12,000 people who pay $40 a month. It's like the lottery, coz there is no assurance who will be this year's lucky winner of a triple-bypass. Thought the tickets are $40 a month, it's really a lot, but a lot, cheaper than the real lottery. What I could see as an improvement is that a user could tick some things off that he would never want: open heart surgery, kidney transplant, bone-marrow transplant, MRI, whatever. Depending how many $'s worth they tick off, they would pay comparably less in premiums. This decision would need to be made for a lifetime, no right to change it later down the road. So if you tick off "emphysema" as something you never want to be treated for, and save $2 form your monthly payments, then if twenty years later you develop a caugh and wheezing, then yuo can't opt back in for emphysema treatment. That's how I see it it could work. Cheaper premiums if the body is willing to forego certain treatments ever. This would emulate the lottery as far as how many tickets you buy and in what lottery game. ---- Simple as passing wind. |
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Why not... allow me to opt out? I tell you why cause you want me to pay for you! That's what this is really about! Not really... if you get sick, the other people pay for you. |
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Sorry Dragon but just because you get a refund doesn't mean you don't pay taxes it just means you over paid your taxes or you had some deductions. When I got a 3k refund for my taxes it didn't mean I didn't pay taxes because you paid about 13k. I just got 3k of that back so I paid 10k. Oh and very very
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I've done taxes a few times.
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Why not... allow me to opt out? I tell you why cause you want me to pay for you! That's what this is really about! Not really... if you get sick, the other people pay for you. I mean, you make it sound like the gov is putting a gun into your mouth, and they say "buddy, you are paying for everyone else's medical costs, and that's that. They won't pay for yours." Is it how you imagine it's going to be? You see, 10% of Americans are bankrupted by medical bills, in a given period. Beyond bankrupt. If everyone pays 10% more taxes in the same period, not anybody will go bankrupt for medical reasons. And the beauty is that anyone can go bankrupt at the current system; only 10% do, coz they get really expensive illnesses. The beauty of the policy is that NOBODY KNOWS AHEAD OF TIME WHO GET THE EXPENSIVE SICKNESS. As easy as doing no. 2. in bed. |
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