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Why not... allow me to opt out? I tell you why cause you want me to pay for you! That's what this is really about! Not really... if you get sick, the other people pay for you. actually thats incorrect because i have health insurance so i'm not a good example! Your missing the point i'm not saying opt out of health coverage! Opt out of government imposed healthcare and not pay any taxes into it! |
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Why not... allow me to opt out? I tell you why cause you want me to pay for you! That's what this is really about! Not really... if you get sick, the other people pay for you. I mean, you make it sound like the gov is putting a gun into your mouth, and they say "buddy, you are paying for everyone else's medical costs, and that's that. They won't pay for yours." Is it how you imagine it's going to be? You see, 10% of Americans are bankrupted by medical bills. Beyond bankrupt. If everyone pays 10$ more taxes, not anybody will go bankrupt for medical reasons. well i dont know where u get your math but it is far from credible even if they did as they promised! They wont come thru just like social security! Point one is we have a right to say no, point two is it's far more than you say even the dems are admiting that now, point three is they won't deliver and have no credibilty! And the beauty is that anyone can go bankrupt at the current system; only 10% do, coz they get really expensive illnesses. The beauty of the policy is that NOBODY KNOWS AHEAD OF TIME WHO GET THE EXPENSIVE SICKNESS. As easy as doing no. 2. in bed. |
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Why not... allow me to opt out? I tell you why cause you want me to pay for you! That's what this is really about! Not really... if you get sick, the other people pay for you. actually thats incorrect because i have health insurance so i'm not a good example! Your missing the point i'm not saying opt out of health coverage! Opt out of government imposed healthcare and not pay any taxes into it! So you are already part of such a system. You pay 40% extra to keep the big insurance company pay its employees, and make the shareholders rich. If you and everyone else switched to the government healthcare, then the overall percent of savings will be 40% for the nation. Since you say you already pay about 50% of the national average, then you'll have to pay another extra 10%. That means, if your monthly health insurance bill is $50, then you will start paying $55 from here on. That's bad, I guess, that extra $5 to ensure everyone in your contry and community gets a good deal. If you paid that extra $5 a month, you would stop needing to ask yourself for a while, "Ask myself what I can do for my country." |
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Why not... allow me to opt out? I tell you why cause you want me to pay for you! That's what this is really about! Not really... if you get sick, the other people pay for you. I mean, you make it sound like the gov is putting a gun into your mouth, and they say "buddy, you are paying for everyone else's medical costs, and that's that. They won't pay for yours." Is it how you imagine it's going to be? You see, 10% of Americans are bankrupted by medical bills, in a given period. Beyond bankrupt. If everyone pays 10% more taxes in the same period, not anybody will go bankrupt for medical reasons. And the beauty is that anyone can go bankrupt at the current system; only 10% do, coz they get really expensive illnesses. The beauty of the policy is that NOBODY KNOWS AHEAD OF TIME WHO GET THE EXPENSIVE SICKNESS. As easy as doing no. 2. in bed. LMAO no your right no one will go bankrupt for medical bills the entire country will! 
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Why is it okay to take money from others by force? I mean healthcare a right? I won't get nothing but a bill, my healthcare won't change except maybe get worse! Why is it people don't understand working people pay the bills of government and there is no free lunch for us! What happens when we have had enough and refuse to pay your bills anymore! I don't get the thought of freeloading! Do Americans even have pride anymore or are they just all waiting in line with their hand out? Look if you want government healthcare why not just send your money to the government and let them care for you, and allow me to opt out? I tell you why cause you want me to pay for you! That's what this is really about! You want free healthcare for you and double priced heathcare for me right? yeah that's the truth and nobody wants to admit it! Unless you actually beleive the government will make it cheaper! But I can't beleive anyone buys that lie! So which is it? Do you beleive government will make it cheaper or do you want other citizens to pay your share? It makes me sick to hear someone from Calif talk this way. There are 49 other states whose citizens already carry your bill on our taxes. How many bail outs has Calif received from the Fed government anyway? I make good money and have great insurance. I say HC is a right of all humans. Not just Americans but all humans, but then I am not self centered and have humanity. If you have a job and good health quit your bitching. A lot of people have neither. Be grateful for what you do have and get a little humanity in your soul. First off, makes me sick that california sucks off the fed too, I have said it in other posts! Doesn't mean all californians suck off the system and assuming all californians do is bigoted and inaccuarate!!! I make good money as well, have great health insurance and your missing the point! Just because i am against a system that promises healthcare to the poor doesn't mean i am wrong! Oh yes, your rhetoric makes it seem this way but the reality is this sir! The promise won't be kept! Do you get that? I mean really do you get that? Can't i beleive that it's another lie by breuracrats to suck money into and endless pit that will be nothing but dysfunction? Can't you see that it's not about helping the poor? Really think about it! These programs fail because as nobal as your intentions may be sir that history and reality dictate otherwise! It's rhetoric! They don't give a damn about the poor and will only put in place a front and the problem will not be solved! That's the opinion of the realist! Not that we don't want to help, just that we know from years of getting it in the blank with no grease that its all rhetoric and the people won't receive what promised! Not evreything is a right left issue there is a reality to politics! It's a farse and the American people know it! Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me! Be grateful for what I have? Really sir? Your damn right i'm grateful, grateful for having free speech! And when politicians and their drones tell me shut up and sit down I say hell no! I'm not bitching about helping others, i'm bitching about a farse that is sold as helping the poor that is really a money grab for a failed idealolgy! Don't you get that communism doesn't work? Does not history show this? Ofcourse it does and nationalized healthcare no matter how you slice it is a form of communism and that's only half the problem! It is also being handed to an overbloated, dysfuntional, failed, pathetic beauracracy! So understand the point when people speak it! Utopia although a great idea, it remains just that, an "idea" and in the real world where i live promises from government to help the poor little women and children is just a ploy on my sympathy to get me in the prone position and ready to spread my cheeks! So yes, your damn right i demand my liberty cause i know it is my god given right and i'm not saying sorry for it! I know with liberty I have a check and balance on government and i'm not willing to trade it for a promise of free healthcare! And giving a crackhead free crack is not humane! Throwing money at problems does not work! IF you want to trully help the poor your gonna have to get your hands dirty! Thinking that throwing five bucks in the hat is a fix is absurd! The programs out there that trully work come with money yes but in addition they have tough love and if your honest about this you will see that! Government does not acomplish that task and it never will because of the size of it! these things must be acomplished at the local level period! Here's the thing too, with a lot of these government level charities and stuff, how do you know where your money is going? How do you know all that money is going where they say it is? You don't. Take the various cancer charities for example, they've been asking for money year after year after year forever to find a "cure", yet where is it? I don't see one do you? Really there are already things in nature that can cure it but they'll never tell you because then they'd lose all their money in donations and treatment costs every year. It's all about the money, and that's what a lot of these charities tend to boil down to. It's one of the biggest scams out there, they pull on the heartstrings, make it seem like they care about this or that, and then pocket the money from the gullible who fall for it while the problems still persist. You want to make change? Do it on a local grassroots level, where you can see where your money is going, where your time is going, where you can feel the difference you are making. That's where real change is gonna come from, from us, not from them. Further, part of the problem we have right now with the economic system is we tend to reward those who do nothing to help themselves, more so than those that actually do. It stifles creativity and hard work, when you can get more from unemployment benefits then you can get from an actual job. They want us reliant on them, don't you see this? Considering that our government does not reward those who do nothing more than those who do stuff. Unemployment is paid into for the very reason that people end up having times of unemployment. It is a safety net for those WHO WORK go figure.  The attitude of some in this country that the poor are poor by their own making is one of our countries greatest disappointments. Many many people go from welfare/foodstamps/etc... to upstanding citizens who give back to this country. There are some on these very boards. It is a very ugly generalization in my opinion. Actually you are incorrect unemployment originally paid no money at all and years later they incorporated handing out checks and the argument then was to keep the economy from from freezing up like in the thirties. It was never proposed as or designed as a safety net for the employee. I hate to say it but you are actually often factually incorrct! You really need to create your own thought! You need to review what you wrote because it didn't make any sense. Unemployment is a safety net for working people. Employers pay into it for that reason. |
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Why not... allow me to opt out? I tell you why cause you want me to pay for you! That's what this is really about! Not really... if you get sick, the other people pay for you. I mean, you make it sound like the gov is putting a gun into your mouth, and they say "buddy, you are paying for everyone else's medical costs, and that's that. They won't pay for yours." Is it how you imagine it's going to be? You see, 10% of Americans are bankrupted by medical bills. Beyond bankrupt. If everyone pays 10$ more taxes, not anybody will go bankrupt for medical reasons. well i dont know where u get your math but it is far from credible even if they did as they promised! They wont come thru just like social security! Point one is we have a right to say no, point two is it's far more than you say even the dems are admiting that now, point three is they won't deliver and have no credibilty! And the beauty is that anyone can go bankrupt at the current system; only 10% do, coz they get really expensive illnesses. The beauty of the policy is that NOBODY KNOWS AHEAD OF TIME WHO GET THE EXPENSIVE SICKNESS. As easy as doing no. 2. in bed. If you say I don't know the math, then I say you don't know the math. If you don't trust anyone, then you are doing the wrong thing living in a society. Sure there are some crooked politicians and lazy public servants. Some. We don't know how many. But there are more crooked CEOs of insurance companies, and more useless workers (who may still work hard, but their work useless) in insurance companies. |
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Why not... allow me to opt out? I tell you why cause you want me to pay for you! That's what this is really about! Not really... if you get sick, the other people pay for you. actually thats incorrect because i have health insurance so i'm not a good example! Your missing the point i'm not saying opt out of health coverage! Opt out of government imposed healthcare and not pay any taxes into it! So you are already part of such a system. You pay 40% extra to keep the big insurance company pay its employees, and make the shareholders rich. If you and everyone else switched to the government healthcare, then the overall percent of savings will be 40% for the nation. Since you say you already pay about 50% of the national average, then you'll have to pay another extra 10%. That means, if your monthly health insurance bill is $50, then you will start paying $55 from here on. That's bad, I guess, that extra $5 to ensure everyone in your contry and community gets a good deal. If you paid that extra $5 a month, you would stop needing to ask yourself for a while, "Ask myself what I can do for my country." lol if that was true i would "buy" the problem is it is completely inaccurate! The cost will double and i will pay $100.00 and if i wanted communism i could move to Cuba they actually have good healthcare. It's not a point of helping others it's the point of free enterprise and living in a republic! SO call me a baby killer all you want but you know what the capitolist system is far more charitable because it works and the failed idelology of socialism is far less charitable cause it fails! So even though your rhetoric may sound more humane in the real world and history shows it is actually far less humane! |
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Why not... allow me to opt out? I tell you why cause you want me to pay for you! That's what this is really about! Not really... if you get sick, the other people pay for you. I mean, you make it sound like the gov is putting a gun into your mouth, and they say "buddy, you are paying for everyone else's medical costs, and that's that. They won't pay for yours." Is it how you imagine it's going to be? You see, 10% of Americans are bankrupted by medical bills, in a given period. Beyond bankrupt. If everyone pays 10% more taxes in the same period, not anybody will go bankrupt for medical reasons. And the beauty is that anyone can go bankrupt at the current system; only 10% do, coz they get really expensive illnesses. The beauty of the policy is that NOBODY KNOWS AHEAD OF TIME WHO GET THE EXPENSIVE SICKNESS. As easy as doing no. 2. in bed. LMAO no your right no one will go bankrupt for medical bills the entire country will! I don't know what you are laughing at; our country is already beyond bankrupt. We just survive coz this is the USA with the biggest guns. People give us free credit, like China. It's personal bankruptcy I talk about. Every country in the world that has been in existence for at least 200 years gone through some national banktruptcy without totally getting annihilated: Germany, Japan, France, Hungary, Bulgaria (B. declared bankruptcy 7 times in the last 40 years), a lot of Asian and African countries, Andorra, Bhutan, Liechtenstein, Austria. So it's a matter of life or death for a body, but it's not a big deal at all for an entire country. ---------------------- Edit: pardon me, not every country in the last 200 years. England did not. The Vatican did not. Etc. |
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lol if that was true i would "buy" the problem is it is completely inaccurate! The cost will double and i will pay $100.00 and if i wanted communism i could move to Cuba they actually have good healthcare. It's not a point of helping others it's the point of free enterprise and living in a republic! SO call me a baby killer all you want but you know what the capitolist system is far more charitable because it works and the failed idelology of socialism is far less charitable cause it fails! So even though your rhetoric may sound more humane in the real world and history shows it is actually far less humane! Ah. The old Communist defence. Did you know that it was "communists" who brought in vodka to Chicago during the prohibition? That it's the "communists" in the 12th century in Western Europe, who established the first hospitals there? Did you know it's the "communists" who opened soup kitchens during the depression? Did yuo know it was the "communists" who give the most generously at church? If your taxes would double, due to this communist plot to bankrupt the country, and laugh at us, yes. But smart mathematicians, smarter than you and me, say it won't double. And think about it: Why would the taxes double? The OVERALL healthcare costs won't increase; they will stay the same. So why would the same cost let a country flourish, and the same cost lead a contry into bankruptcy, just because the payment system is switched from one insurance company to another? And the other insurance company is universal? Much like the monks of Vaduz and Gobbelin were not communists, the Government won't be communist by making healthcare availabel to all in the nation. |
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Why is it okay to take money from others by force? I mean healthcare a right? I won't get nothing but a bill, my healthcare won't change except maybe get worse! Why is it people don't understand working people pay the bills of government and there is no free lunch for us! What happens when we have had enough and refuse to pay your bills anymore! I don't get the thought of freeloading! Do Americans even have pride anymore or are they just all waiting in line with their hand out? Look if you want government healthcare why not just send your money to the government and let them care for you, and allow me to opt out? I tell you why cause you want me to pay for you! That's what this is really about! You want free healthcare for you and double priced heathcare for me right? yeah that's the truth and nobody wants to admit it! Unless you actually beleive the government will make it cheaper! But I can't beleive anyone buys that lie! So which is it? Do you beleive government will make it cheaper or do you want other citizens to pay your share? It makes me sick to hear someone from Calif talk this way. There are 49 other states whose citizens already carry your bill on our taxes. How many bail outs has Calif received from the Fed government anyway? I make good money and have great insurance. I say HC is a right of all humans. Not just Americans but all humans, but then I am not self centered and have humanity. If you have a job and good health quit your bitching. A lot of people have neither. Be grateful for what you do have and get a little humanity in your soul. First off, makes me sick that california sucks off the fed too, I have said it in other posts! Doesn't mean all californians suck off the system and assuming all californians do is bigoted and inaccuarate!!! I make good money as well, have great health insurance and your missing the point! Just because i am against a system that promises healthcare to the poor doesn't mean i am wrong! Oh yes, your rhetoric makes it seem this way but the reality is this sir! The promise won't be kept! Do you get that? I mean really do you get that? Can't i beleive that it's another lie by breuracrats to suck money into and endless pit that will be nothing but dysfunction? Can't you see that it's not about helping the poor? Really think about it! These programs fail because as nobal as your intentions may be sir that history and reality dictate otherwise! It's rhetoric! They don't give a damn about the poor and will only put in place a front and the problem will not be solved! That's the opinion of the realist! Not that we don't want to help, just that we know from years of getting it in the blank with no grease that its all rhetoric and the people won't receive what promised! Not evreything is a right left issue there is a reality to politics! It's a farse and the American people know it! Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me! Be grateful for what I have? Really sir? Your damn right i'm grateful, grateful for having free speech! And when politicians and their drones tell me shut up and sit down I say hell no! I'm not bitching about helping others, i'm bitching about a farse that is sold as helping the poor that is really a money grab for a failed idealolgy! Don't you get that communism doesn't work? Does not history show this? Ofcourse it does and nationalized healthcare no matter how you slice it is a form of communism and that's only half the problem! It is also being handed to an overbloated, dysfuntional, failed, pathetic beauracracy! So understand the point when people speak it! Utopia although a great idea, it remains just that, an "idea" and in the real world where i live promises from government to help the poor little women and children is just a ploy on my sympathy to get me in the prone position and ready to spread my cheeks! So yes, your damn right i demand my liberty cause i know it is my god given right and i'm not saying sorry for it! I know with liberty I have a check and balance on government and i'm not willing to trade it for a promise of free healthcare! And giving a crackhead free crack is not humane! Throwing money at problems does not work! IF you want to trully help the poor your gonna have to get your hands dirty! Thinking that throwing five bucks in the hat is a fix is absurd! The programs out there that trully work come with money yes but in addition they have tough love and if your honest about this you will see that! Government does not acomplish that task and it never will because of the size of it! these things must be acomplished at the local level period! Here's the thing too, with a lot of these government level charities and stuff, how do you know where your money is going? How do you know all that money is going where they say it is? You don't. Take the various cancer charities for example, they've been asking for money year after year after year forever to find a "cure", yet where is it? I don't see one do you? Really there are already things in nature that can cure it but they'll never tell you because then they'd lose all their money in donations and treatment costs every year. It's all about the money, and that's what a lot of these charities tend to boil down to. It's one of the biggest scams out there, they pull on the heartstrings, make it seem like they care about this or that, and then pocket the money from the gullible who fall for it while the problems still persist. You want to make change? Do it on a local grassroots level, where you can see where your money is going, where your time is going, where you can feel the difference you are making. That's where real change is gonna come from, from us, not from them. Further, part of the problem we have right now with the economic system is we tend to reward those who do nothing to help themselves, more so than those that actually do. It stifles creativity and hard work, when you can get more from unemployment benefits then you can get from an actual job. They want us reliant on them, don't you see this? Considering that our government does not reward those who do nothing more than those who do stuff. Unemployment is paid into for the very reason that people end up having times of unemployment. It is a safety net for those WHO WORK go figure. The attitude of some in this country that the poor are poor by their own making is one of our countries greatest disappointments. Many many people go from welfare/foodstamps/etc... to upstanding citizens who give back to this country. There are some on these very boards. It is a very ugly generalization in my opinion. Actually you are incorrect unemployment originally paid no money at all and years later they incorporated handing out checks and the argument then was to keep the economy from from freezing up like in the thirties. It was never proposed as or designed as a safety net for the employee. I hate to say it but you are actually often factually incorrct! You really need to create your own thought! You need to review what you wrote because it didn't make any sense. Unemployment is a safety net for working people. Employers pay into it for that reason. sorry that is incorrect! it is an imposed tax upon employers but it was not designed as a safety net for the employee it's a safety net for the employer! but no use pionting out facts i guess! |
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lol if that was true i would "buy" the problem is it is completely inaccurate! The cost will double and i will pay $100.00 and if i wanted communism i could move to Cuba they actually have good healthcare. It's not a point of helping others it's the point of free enterprise and living in a republic! SO call me a baby killer all you want but you know what the capitolist system is far more charitable because it works and the failed idelology of socialism is far less charitable cause it fails! So even though your rhetoric may sound more humane in the real world and history shows it is actually far less humane! Ah. The old Communist defence. Did you know that it was "communists" who brought in vodka to Chicago during the prohibition? That it's the "communists" in the 12th century in Western Europe, who established the first hospitals there? Did you know it's the "communists" who opened soup kitchens during the depression? Did yuo know it was the "communists" who give the most generously at church? If your taxes would double, due to this communist plot to bankrupt the country, and laugh at us, yes. But smart mathematicians, smarter than you and me, say it won't double. And think about it: Why would the taxes double? The OVERALL healthcare costs won't increase; they will stay the same. So why would the same cost let a country flourish, and the same cost lead a contry into bankruptcy, just because the payment system is switched from one insurance company to another? And the other insurance company is universal? Much like the monks of Vaduz and Gobbelin were not communists, the Government won't be communist by making healthcare availabel to all in the nation. i can tell you why it will double cause the money won't go to healthcare, it will be robbed by every pet project that comes down the pike! So in therory i'm sure your math was not off by 50% the problem is in your therory you can trust politicians! thats where we part ways sir and ssa is a perfect example of why i beleive this! |
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Why is it okay to take money from others by force? I mean healthcare a right? I won't get nothing but a bill, my healthcare won't change except maybe get worse! Why is it people don't understand working people pay the bills of government and there is no free lunch for us! What happens when we have had enough and refuse to pay your bills anymore! I don't get the thought of freeloading! Do Americans even have pride anymore or are they just all waiting in line with their hand out? Look if you want government healthcare why not just send your money to the government and let them care for you, and allow me to opt out? I tell you why cause you want me to pay for you! That's what this is really about! You want free healthcare for you and double priced heathcare for me right? yeah that's the truth and nobody wants to admit it! Unless you actually beleive the government will make it cheaper! But I can't beleive anyone buys that lie! So which is it? Do you beleive government will make it cheaper or do you want other citizens to pay your share? It makes me sick to hear someone from Calif talk this way. There are 49 other states whose citizens already carry your bill on our taxes. How many bail outs has Calif received from the Fed government anyway? I make good money and have great insurance. I say HC is a right of all humans. Not just Americans but all humans, but then I am not self centered and have humanity. If you have a job and good health quit your bitching. A lot of people have neither. Be grateful for what you do have and get a little humanity in your soul. First off, makes me sick that california sucks off the fed too, I have said it in other posts! Doesn't mean all californians suck off the system and assuming all californians do is bigoted and inaccuarate!!! I make good money as well, have great health insurance and your missing the point! Just because i am against a system that promises healthcare to the poor doesn't mean i am wrong! Oh yes, your rhetoric makes it seem this way but the reality is this sir! The promise won't be kept! Do you get that? I mean really do you get that? Can't i beleive that it's another lie by breuracrats to suck money into and endless pit that will be nothing but dysfunction? Can't you see that it's not about helping the poor? Really think about it! These programs fail because as nobal as your intentions may be sir that history and reality dictate otherwise! It's rhetoric! They don't give a damn about the poor and will only put in place a front and the problem will not be solved! That's the opinion of the realist! Not that we don't want to help, just that we know from years of getting it in the blank with no grease that its all rhetoric and the people won't receive what promised! Not evreything is a right left issue there is a reality to politics! It's a farse and the American people know it! Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me! Be grateful for what I have? Really sir? Your damn right i'm grateful, grateful for having free speech! And when politicians and their drones tell me shut up and sit down I say hell no! I'm not bitching about helping others, i'm bitching about a farse that is sold as helping the poor that is really a money grab for a failed idealolgy! Don't you get that communism doesn't work? Does not history show this? Ofcourse it does and nationalized healthcare no matter how you slice it is a form of communism and that's only half the problem! It is also being handed to an overbloated, dysfuntional, failed, pathetic beauracracy! So understand the point when people speak it! Utopia although a great idea, it remains just that, an "idea" and in the real world where i live promises from government to help the poor little women and children is just a ploy on my sympathy to get me in the prone position and ready to spread my cheeks! So yes, your damn right i demand my liberty cause i know it is my god given right and i'm not saying sorry for it! I know with liberty I have a check and balance on government and i'm not willing to trade it for a promise of free healthcare! And giving a crackhead free crack is not humane! Throwing money at problems does not work! IF you want to trully help the poor your gonna have to get your hands dirty! Thinking that throwing five bucks in the hat is a fix is absurd! The programs out there that trully work come with money yes but in addition they have tough love and if your honest about this you will see that! Government does not acomplish that task and it never will because of the size of it! these things must be acomplished at the local level period! Here's the thing too, with a lot of these government level charities and stuff, how do you know where your money is going? How do you know all that money is going where they say it is? You don't. Take the various cancer charities for example, they've been asking for money year after year after year forever to find a "cure", yet where is it? I don't see one do you? Really there are already things in nature that can cure it but they'll never tell you because then they'd lose all their money in donations and treatment costs every year. It's all about the money, and that's what a lot of these charities tend to boil down to. It's one of the biggest scams out there, they pull on the heartstrings, make it seem like they care about this or that, and then pocket the money from the gullible who fall for it while the problems still persist. You want to make change? Do it on a local grassroots level, where you can see where your money is going, where your time is going, where you can feel the difference you are making. That's where real change is gonna come from, from us, not from them. Further, part of the problem we have right now with the economic system is we tend to reward those who do nothing to help themselves, more so than those that actually do. It stifles creativity and hard work, when you can get more from unemployment benefits then you can get from an actual job. They want us reliant on them, don't you see this? Considering that our government does not reward those who do nothing more than those who do stuff. Unemployment is paid into for the very reason that people end up having times of unemployment. It is a safety net for those WHO WORK go figure. The attitude of some in this country that the poor are poor by their own making is one of our countries greatest disappointments. Many many people go from welfare/foodstamps/etc... to upstanding citizens who give back to this country. There are some on these very boards. It is a very ugly generalization in my opinion. Actually you are incorrect unemployment originally paid no money at all and years later they incorporated handing out checks and the argument then was to keep the economy from from freezing up like in the thirties. It was never proposed as or designed as a safety net for the employee. I hate to say it but you are actually often factually incorrct! You really need to create your own thought! You need to review what you wrote because it didn't make any sense. Unemployment is a safety net for working people. Employers pay into it for that reason. sorry that is incorrect! it is an imposed tax upon employers but it was not designed as a safety net for the employee it's a safety net for the employer! but no use pionting out facts i guess! If it were fact we could discuss it. 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lol if that was true i would "buy" the problem is it is completely inaccurate! The cost will double and i will pay $100.00 and if i wanted communism i could move to Cuba they actually have good healthcare. It's not a point of helping others it's the point of free enterprise and living in a republic! SO call me a baby killer all you want but you know what the capitolist system is far more charitable because it works and the failed idelology of socialism is far less charitable cause it fails! So even though your rhetoric may sound more humane in the real world and history shows it is actually far less humane! If you think it's communist to offer health insurance to all, then you already support the subversives, by being part of one insurance-company-communist-manifesto plot and Bolshevik red brigade. Stop paying your insurance premiums, if you are sure you are anti-communist honest, republic-supportive American Already!!! All you said was health insurance = communism. I don't think that's true at all. |
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Why not... allow me to opt out? I tell you why cause you want me to pay for you! That's what this is really about! Not really... if you get sick, the other people pay for you. I mean, you make it sound like the gov is putting a gun into your mouth, and they say "buddy, you are paying for everyone else's medical costs, and that's that. They won't pay for yours." Is it how you imagine it's going to be? You see, 10% of Americans are bankrupted by medical bills. Beyond bankrupt. If everyone pays 10$ more taxes, not anybody will go bankrupt for medical reasons. well i dont know where u get your math but it is far from credible even if they did as they promised! They wont come thru just like social security! Point one is we have a right to say no, point two is it's far more than you say even the dems are admiting that now, point three is they won't deliver and have no credibilty! And the beauty is that anyone can go bankrupt at the current system; only 10% do, coz they get really expensive illnesses. The beauty of the policy is that NOBODY KNOWS AHEAD OF TIME WHO GET THE EXPENSIVE SICKNESS. As easy as doing no. 2. in bed. If you say I don't know the math, then I say you don't know the math. If you don't trust anyone, then you are doing the wrong thing living in a society. Sure there are some crooked politicians and lazy public servants. Some. We don't know how many. But there are more crooked CEOs of insurance companies, and more useless workers (who may still work hard, but their work useless) in insurance companies. |
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lol if that was true i would "buy" the problem is it is completely inaccurate! The cost will double and i will pay $100.00 and if i wanted communism i could move to Cuba they actually have good healthcare. It's not a point of helping others it's the point of free enterprise and living in a republic! SO call me a baby killer all you want but you know what the capitolist system is far more charitable because it works and the failed idelology of socialism is far less charitable cause it fails! So even though your rhetoric may sound more humane in the real world and history shows it is actually far less humane! Ah. The old Communist defence. Did you know that it was "communists" who brought in vodka to Chicago during the prohibition? That it's the "communists" in the 12th century in Western Europe, who established the first hospitals there? Did you know it's the "communists" who opened soup kitchens during the depression? Did yuo know it was the "communists" who give the most generously at church? If your taxes would double, due to this communist plot to bankrupt the country, and laugh at us, yes. But smart mathematicians, smarter than you and me, say it won't double. And think about it: Why would the taxes double? The OVERALL healthcare costs won't increase; they will stay the same. So why would the same cost let a country flourish, and the same cost lead a contry into bankruptcy, just because the payment system is switched from one insurance company to another? And the other insurance company is universal? Much like the monks of Vaduz and Gobbelin were not communists, the Government won't be communist by making healthcare availabel to all in the nation. making it available? it is already available, now they are cramming it down our throats... |
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i can tell you why it will double cause the money won't go to healthcare, it will be robbed by every pet project that comes down the pike! So in therory i'm sure your math was not off by 50% the problem is in your therory you can trust politicians! thats where we part ways sir and ssa is a perfect example of why i beleive this! Let's for a second accept this as true, what you say here. In this case I do agree, you should move out of America, fast as possible, and go to Cuba or Albania. You see, the government can't be trusted coz they just squander your money; and you can't get rid of the government; even if you kill men and women in the government, there government survives. So the government, you say, is this big, but simple-minded and bleeding-heart piece of junk. It is not good. It stifles the nation. It does nothing but syphon money out of people and vaporizes it. Let's say that is true. In fact, it is so true, you say, that for each one million they say they will spend, they spend two million. This is bad, if it's true. Time to find another country. I would, if I believed you were right. I would leave this instant. But I don't. Because I simply don't buy your pet theory about the pet projects of the government. You are buying it, though, so get going, man, out. There are some fine, nice countries in the world, where there are no personal taxes, and free enterprize is flourishing: South Yemen, Syria, Nippon, Inner Mongolia, Antarctica, and Greenland. |
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Sorry Dragon but just because you get a refund doesn't mean you don't pay taxes it just means you over paid your taxes or you had some deductions. When I got a 3k refund for my taxes it didn't mean I didn't pay taxes because you paid about 13k. I just got 3k of that back so I paid 10k. Oh and very very  I guess I am stupid, right? Thats a good question if you think paying 10k in taxes is not paying taxes. Except it ain't true. Your pulling my leg as the saying goes. What? Have you ever filed taxes? You see you can choose to claim deductions before you are taxed or not. I choose to claim no deductions. Therefore I am taxed at the most the government can tax me. Then when tax season rolls around I claim my deductions on my tax form. It then shows how the government "over taxed me". I am refunded from the amount they over taxed. so I paid 13k but I should have only paid 10k so they give me 3k back. I do it this way because its a kind of forced savings. Then I usually spend that money for a vacation or something. |
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i can tell you why it will double cause the money won't go to healthcare, it will be robbed by every pet project that comes down the pike! So in therory i'm sure your math was not off by 50% the problem is in your therory you can trust politicians! thats where we part ways sir and ssa is a perfect example of why i beleive this! Wow. The money won't go to healthcare. Let's say that's true. Let's say that's true. But then your tax dollars that pay are not PAID for healthcare. You are saying that the government will say it's healthcare that you pay for, but it won't be JUST healthcare. Here you are actually admitting to the fact that it's a good idea to have universal national healthcare, you just don't trust the government. So... okay. We reject the healthcare because we know it will be just one more plot for the government to ask us for money. So let's not pass that bill. But the government will still need to finance its pet projects and programmes. So we will be taxed more, the amount of healthcare, without having actual healthcare. And since the government will introduce the pet-project tax hidden, as piggy-backing on some other new taxes, they always do that you say, so you will be getting no healthcare, but winding up paying double the healthcare tax anyways, eventually. This is very smart. I mean, I am very smart to see through your reasoning for rejecting the healtcare. It was good reasoning, but unfortunately it could be attached to any tax, so rejecting the healthcare to avoid an evil which will happen anyway, is smart to see that it is a stupid rejection. |
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lol if that was true i would "buy" the problem is it is completely inaccurate! The cost will double and i will pay $100.00 and if i wanted communism i could move to Cuba they actually have good healthcare. It's not a point of helping others it's the point of free enterprise and living in a republic! SO call me a baby killer all you want but you know what the capitolist system is far more charitable because it works and the failed idelology of socialism is far less charitable cause it fails! So even though your rhetoric may sound more humane in the real world and history shows it is actually far less humane! If you think it's communist to offer health insurance to all, then you already support the subversives, by being part of one insurance-company-communist-manifesto plot and Bolshevik red brigade. Stop paying your insurance premiums, if you are sure you are anti-communist honest, republic-supportive American Already!!! All you said was health insurance = communism. I don't think that's true at all. All you said was health insurance = communism. Look i don't know even know where to start! It gets daunting explaining things poeple should learn in high school! First of i said Government imposed healthcare big difference. Second it's about idealology cant you see that? Communism at it's best even under a trusting government fails because it kills the spirit! Read about collectivism and this is what your refering to and it fails because people stop trying....the first pioneers learned this the hard way! history shows this to be correct! Capitolism i agree is not pretty but it works! So i admit i lose on the idealological front and i trully wish that the utopia you desire could come true but i'm a realist and the facts bare it out capitolism works! So it may not be nice but for the greater good people must be forced on their own two feet or they just won't! |
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sorry but i find this incorrect! Small government is a founding principal of this country and mixing the word society and government is quite a nice tatic but inaccurate! nearly all the world evil has come by the way of government and capitolism is pale in comparrison! So now we are gasping for meaningless rhetoric, aren't we. "Down with Big Government!! Let's all live with small government!! And splinter the country!! And do this coz two hundred years ago the school principals who built the Capitol were right!! The Capitol is a pale building, but paled in comparison to and by the White House!!" |
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