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Cowboy wrote:
God doesn't forgive people for you. God offers forgiveness against him. If one lies to you, he doesn't just make trespasses against you. He makes trespasses with our father as well. And if you're not willing to forgive others for their wrongs against you, all I can say is Matthew 6:14-15 14 - "For if you forgive men their trespasses, then your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 - "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. In other words, according to the book that you worship as the word of God that's supposedly what God is like. But the point is that everyone doesn't believe in the same book that you worship. I do not worship a book. The book you're speaking of, the bible. Is the laws our father has set out before us. We don't worship the book itself, the book is merely history knowledge, future knowledge, and the laws that we are responsible for. The bible is a cannon of many different stories, some are actually nothing more than commentaries on previous writings. It was constructed by men who had an agenda. It can't be trusted as a history book because of that clear and obvious bias, and it most certainly contains no knowledge of the future. It doesn't even contain consistent stories within its own content. The "laws" that it claims to contain are laws made up by men as well. Male chauvinistic men to boot. And your writings contain nothing but negative bias for your agenda to push people away from the scriptures. And you claim there are inconsistent stories, but you have yet to show anything inconsistent or anything wrong with the writings of the bible. You've tried before with out success. |
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Cowboy wrote:
And your writings contain nothing but negative bias for your agenda to push people away from the scriptures. And you claim there are inconsistent stories, but you have yet to show anything inconsistent or anything wrong with the writings of the bible. You've tried before with out success. You're in denial again. I've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the biblical cannon cannot possibly be the word of any all-wise God. I've shown why Jesus could not possibly have been the son of the God of the Old Testament. So there's nothing left to show. It's clearly a false doctrine. Let's move on to more realistic spiritual philosophies. If you want to harp on Christianity go to the Christian Forums. The General Religion Forums are for GENERAL RELIGION. Something that you are clearly not open to. All you ever do is proselytize Christianity and deny all other spiritual concepts. And then accuse everyone of being a sinner in need of repentance. We've heard it before. In fact, you'd be hard-pressed to find an old Wild West movie that doesn't have a preacher going around preaching to people to repent their sins. It's old hat. |
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Cowboy wrote:
And your writings contain nothing but negative bias for your agenda to push people away from the scriptures. And you claim there are inconsistent stories, but you have yet to show anything inconsistent or anything wrong with the writings of the bible. You've tried before with out success. You're in denial again. I've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the biblical cannon cannot possibly be the word of any all-wise God. I've shown why Jesus could not possibly have been the son of the God of the Old Testament. So there's nothing left to show. It's clearly a false doctrine. Let's move on to more realistic spiritual philosophies. If you want to harp on Christianity go to the Christian Forums. The General Religion Forums are for GENERAL RELIGION. Something that you are clearly not open to. All you ever do is proselytize Christianity and deny all other spiritual concepts. And then accuse everyone of being a sinner in need of repentance. We've heard it before. In fact, you'd be hard-pressed to find an old Wild West movie that doesn't have a preacher going around preaching to people to repent their sins. It's old hat. I'm in no denial. You've shown nothing. You've brought up some things you seen as problems, then the people in this forum showed you how their wasn't any inconsistencies and or anything wrong with the writings of the bible. You my friend are the one in denial. |
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thank you guys for tutoring a newbe.Hasnt quite sunk in but will get it eventually....Hey doesnt that make u techno angels
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And we should consider the way our spirits affect the material. I think The Police brought this up with their song, "Our Spirits in the material". I think what they were trying to bring up was our spiritual energy can have an effect on the material. Material could be taken to mean what we write here; How spiritual energy namely "us" in essence could also be transferable and evolutionalized (Reincarnation delves into this), (In a pantheist version this could be thought as the evolution of God if we see ourselves having evolved right along with God.) As God learns from our physical interactions and spiritual experiences that knowledge could transferable into a very DNA make-up. Hence; Instinct and Reaction with interaction. In other words we "us" in the sense of our spiritual selves have an interaction with our physical realm.) Maybe that could be seen at some molecular level; I am not sure. We could be multi-dimensional in that sense. Religion; Philosophy and Science have tried to allude to this conjecture. I know sci-fi has, for sure, with "Self aware" robotic life-forms which have reach "Self-awareness". Personified traits of this interaction has been achieved in the programming of our computers. How much of a leap of thought is this transferable knowledge would have been to think that "we" were programmable entities with upgradeable features namely "Evolutionary Upgrades" (If You will.) and we have ascended by that transformational mode. Hence; We are more than what we were because of it. (I know, a lot to think all at once.) But, hey, its my day off.
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Cowboy wrote:
God doesn't forgive people for you. God offers forgiveness against him. If one lies to you, he doesn't just make trespasses against you. He makes trespasses with our father as well. And if you're not willing to forgive others for their wrongs against you, all I can say is Matthew 6:14-15 14 - "For if you forgive men their trespasses, then your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 - "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. In other words, according to the book that you worship as the word of God that's supposedly what God is like. But the point is that everyone doesn't believe in the same book that you worship. I do not worship a book. The book you're speaking of, the bible. Is the laws our father has set out before us. We don't worship the book itself, the book is merely history knowledge, future knowledge, and the laws that we are responsible for. if that book was never meant to be worship...it would have never been referred to as being "The Holy Bible" |
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Cowboy wrote:
God doesn't forgive people for you. God offers forgiveness against him. If one lies to you, he doesn't just make trespasses against you. He makes trespasses with our father as well. And if you're not willing to forgive others for their wrongs against you, all I can say is Matthew 6:14-15 14 - "For if you forgive men their trespasses, then your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 - "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. In other words, according to the book that you worship as the word of God that's supposedly what God is like. But the point is that everyone doesn't believe in the same book that you worship. I do not worship a book. The book you're speaking of, the bible. Is the laws our father has set out before us. We don't worship the book itself, the book is merely history knowledge, future knowledge, and the laws that we are responsible for. if that book was never meant to be worship...it would have never been referred to as being "The Holy Bible" Truly, people who preach the biblical doctrine are worshiping a book. They can deny it until the cows come home. It doesn't change that fact. Besides, take away the book and they have nothing to preach. There is no substance to their religion beyond the dogma. |
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Cowboy wrote:
God doesn't forgive people for you. God offers forgiveness against him. If one lies to you, he doesn't just make trespasses against you. He makes trespasses with our father as well. And if you're not willing to forgive others for their wrongs against you, all I can say is Matthew 6:14-15 14 - "For if you forgive men their trespasses, then your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 - "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. In other words, according to the book that you worship as the word of God that's supposedly what God is like. But the point is that everyone doesn't believe in the same book that you worship. I do not worship a book. The book you're speaking of, the bible. Is the laws our father has set out before us. We don't worship the book itself, the book is merely history knowledge, future knowledge, and the laws that we are responsible for. if that book was never meant to be worship...it would have never been referred to as being "The Holy Bible" Truly, people who preach the biblical doctrine are worshiping a book. They can deny it until the cows come home. It doesn't change that fact. Besides, take away the book and they have nothing to preach. There is no substance to their religion beyond the dogma. Again we don't worship the bible. The bible is merely a book containing the knowledge of our father. To teach someone about God a book is used eg., the bible. To teach someone about math a book is used, to teach someone about history a book is used, to teach someone about ANYTHING most usually a book is used. Again the bible itself isn't important, it's not special. It's the knowledge that it contains that is important. |
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Cowboy wrote:
God doesn't forgive people for you. God offers forgiveness against him. If one lies to you, he doesn't just make trespasses against you. He makes trespasses with our father as well. And if you're not willing to forgive others for their wrongs against you, all I can say is Matthew 6:14-15 14 - "For if you forgive men their trespasses, then your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 - "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. In other words, according to the book that you worship as the word of God that's supposedly what God is like. But the point is that everyone doesn't believe in the same book that you worship. I do not worship a book. The book you're speaking of, the bible. Is the laws our father has set out before us. We don't worship the book itself, the book is merely history knowledge, future knowledge, and the laws that we are responsible for. if that book was never meant to be worship...it would have never been referred to as being "The Holy Bible" Truly, people who preach the biblical doctrine are worshiping a book. They can deny it until the cows come home. It doesn't change that fact. Besides, take away the book and they have nothing to preach. There is no substance to their religion beyond the dogma. Again we don't worship the bible. The bible is merely a book containing the knowledge of our father. To teach someone about God a book is used eg., the bible. To teach someone about math a book is used, to teach someone about history a book is used, to teach someone about ANYTHING most usually a book is used. Again the bible itself isn't important, it's not special. It's the knowledge that it contains that is important. Cowboy I'm still waiting on you to do as the original poster suggested and discuss spirits and other religious orientated subjects without quoting from the bible so...er...how do you know that spirits exist? ....have you ever heard voices from a spirit? |
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Again we don't worship the bible. Then why is it called "The Holy Bible"? .....can you discuss why it is without making reference to anything in the bible? |
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Cowboy wrote:
God doesn't forgive people for you. God offers forgiveness against him. If one lies to you, he doesn't just make trespasses against you. He makes trespasses with our father as well. And if you're not willing to forgive others for their wrongs against you, all I can say is Matthew 6:14-15 14 - "For if you forgive men their trespasses, then your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 - "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. In other words, according to the book that you worship as the word of God that's supposedly what God is like. But the point is that everyone doesn't believe in the same book that you worship. I do not worship a book. The book you're speaking of, the bible. Is the laws our father has set out before us. We don't worship the book itself, the book is merely history knowledge, future knowledge, and the laws that we are responsible for. if that book was never meant to be worship...it would have never been referred to as being "The Holy Bible" Truly, people who preach the biblical doctrine are worshiping a book. They can deny it until the cows come home. It doesn't change that fact. Besides, take away the book and they have nothing to preach. There is no substance to their religion beyond the dogma. Again we don't worship the bible. The bible is merely a book containing the knowledge of our father. To teach someone about God a book is used eg., the bible. To teach someone about math a book is used, to teach someone about history a book is used, to teach someone about ANYTHING most usually a book is used. Again the bible itself isn't important, it's not special. It's the knowledge that it contains that is important. Cowboy I'm still waiting on you to do as the original poster suggested and discuss spirits and other religious orientated subjects without quoting from the bible so...er...how do you know that spirits exist? ....have you ever heard voices from a spirit? Yes I hear spirits everyday. When a person talks to you that is what controls the talking. The spirit. That's what controls our every action. That's why when a person is a nice person, they say he's in good spirits. |
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Cowboy wrote:
God doesn't forgive people for you. God offers forgiveness against him. If one lies to you, he doesn't just make trespasses against you. He makes trespasses with our father as well. And if you're not willing to forgive others for their wrongs against you, all I can say is Matthew 6:14-15 14 - "For if you forgive men their trespasses, then your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 - "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. In other words, according to the book that you worship as the word of God that's supposedly what God is like. But the point is that everyone doesn't believe in the same book that you worship. I do not worship a book. The book you're speaking of, the bible. Is the laws our father has set out before us. We don't worship the book itself, the book is merely history knowledge, future knowledge, and the laws that we are responsible for. if that book was never meant to be worship...it would have never been referred to as being "The Holy Bible" Truly, people who preach the biblical doctrine are worshiping a book. They can deny it until the cows come home. It doesn't change that fact. Besides, take away the book and they have nothing to preach. There is no substance to their religion beyond the dogma. You think you know what people think???? You think you know what they "worship"? I'll deny it till the day I die. Can you prove otherwise? Take away the book and a lie is still a lie.... |
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Cowboy wrote:
God doesn't forgive people for you. God offers forgiveness against him. If one lies to you, he doesn't just make trespasses against you. He makes trespasses with our father as well. And if you're not willing to forgive others for their wrongs against you, all I can say is Matthew 6:14-15 14 - "For if you forgive men their trespasses, then your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 - "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. In other words, according to the book that you worship as the word of God that's supposedly what God is like. But the point is that everyone doesn't believe in the same book that you worship. I do not worship a book. The book you're speaking of, the bible. Is the laws our father has set out before us. We don't worship the book itself, the book is merely history knowledge, future knowledge, and the laws that we are responsible for. if that book was never meant to be worship...it would have never been referred to as being "The Holy Bible" Truly, people who preach the biblical doctrine are worshiping a book. They can deny it until the cows come home. It doesn't change that fact. Besides, take away the book and they have nothing to preach. There is no substance to their religion beyond the dogma. Again we don't worship the bible. The bible is merely a book containing the knowledge of our father. To teach someone about God a book is used eg., the bible. To teach someone about math a book is used, to teach someone about history a book is used, to teach someone about ANYTHING most usually a book is used. Again the bible itself isn't important, it's not special. It's the knowledge that it contains that is important. Cowboy I'm still waiting on you to do as the original poster suggested and discuss spirits and other religious orientated subjects without quoting from the bible so...er...how do you know that spirits exist? ....have you ever heard voices from a spirit? Yes I hear spirits everyday. When a person talks to you that is what controls the talking. The spirit. That's what controls our every action. That's why when a person is a nice person, they say he's in good spirits. Love this one! |
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Again we don't worship the bible. Then why is it called "The Holy Bible"? .....can you discuss why it is without making reference to anything in the bible? It's called the holy bible because the bible is the sacred writings of the Christian religion. The information it contains is holy. Again the bible is just that a book, it's paper. It will de-solve and be destroyed with age and time. It's the knowledge it contains that makes it holy. |
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And we should consider the way our spirits affect the material. I think The Police brought this up with their song, "Our Spirits in the material". I think what they were trying to bring up was our spiritual energy can have an effect on the material. Material could be taken to mean what we write here; How spiritual energy namely "us" in essence could also be transferable and evolutionalized (Reincarnation delves into this), (In a pantheist version this could be thought as the evolution of God if we see ourselves having evolved right along with God.) As God learns from our physical interactions and spiritual experiences that knowledge could transferable into a very DNA make-up. Hence; Instinct and Reaction with interaction. In other words we "us" in the sense of our spiritual selves have an interaction with our physical realm.) Maybe that could be seen at some molecular level; I am not sure. We could be multi-dimensional in that sense. Religion; Philosophy and Science have tried to allude to this conjecture. I know sci-fi has, for sure, with "Self aware" robotic life-forms which have reach "Self-awareness". Personified traits of this interaction has been achieved in the programming of our computers. How much of a leap of thought is this transferable knowledge would have been to think that "we" were programmable entities with upgradeable features namely "Evolutionary Upgrades" (If You will.) and we have ascended by that transformational mode. Hence; We are more than what we were because of it. (I know, a lot to think all at once.) But, hey, its my day off.
I think the lyrics were "we are spirits in the material world"... |
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Yes I hear spirits everyday. When a person talks to you that is what controls the talking. The spirit. That's what controls our every action. That's why when a person is a nice person, they say he's in good spirits. Cowboy...if the spirit controls what a person say and their actions.....wouldn't that mean that the person is a Zombie? |
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Again we don't worship the bible. Then why is it called "The Holy Bible"? .....can you discuss why it is without making reference to anything in the bible? It's called the holy bible because the bible is the sacred writings of the Christian religion. The information it contains is holy. Again the bible is just that a book, it's paper. It will de-solve and be destroyed with age and time. It's the knowledge it contains that makes it holy. Cowboy.....remember you were supposed to explain why the bible is holy without making any reference to what is contain in it....especially if you claim that it's just a book so can you try again to explain why a simple book is consider to be Holy? |
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Yes I hear spirits everyday. When a person talks to you that is what controls the talking. The spirit. That's what controls our every action. That's why when a person is a nice person, they say he's in good spirits. Cowboy...if the spirit controls what a person say and their actions.....wouldn't that mean that the person is a Zombie? No my friend. You are your spirit. This physical body we have is merely something to contain that spirit. Your body is the temple of God where your spirit lives. |
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Again we don't worship the bible. Then why is it called "The Holy Bible"? .....can you discuss why it is without making reference to anything in the bible? It's called the holy bible because the bible is the sacred writings of the Christian religion. The information it contains is holy. Again the bible is just that a book, it's paper. It will de-solve and be destroyed with age and time. It's the knowledge it contains that makes it holy. Cowboy.....remember you were supposed to explain why the bible is holy without making any reference to what is contain in it....especially if you claim that it's just a book so can you try again to explain why a simple book is consider to be Holy? I didn't make reference to anything in the bible in particular. If you're asking why the bible is called the Holy bible without using any form of reference to what's in the bible. It's impossible to describe something without using the attributes that it has. |
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Again we don't worship the bible. Then why is it called "The Holy Bible"? .....can you discuss why it is without making reference to anything in the bible? It's called the holy bible because the bible is the sacred writings of the Christian religion. The information it contains is holy. Again the bible is just that a book, it's paper. It will de-solve and be destroyed with age and time. It's the knowledge it contains that makes it holy. Cowboy.....remember you were supposed to explain why the bible is holy without making any reference to what is contain in it....especially if you claim that it's just a book so can you try again to explain why a simple book is consider to be Holy? I didn't make reference to anything in the bible in particular. If you're asking why the bible is called the Holy bible without using any form of reference to what's in the bible. It's impossible to describe something without using the attributes that it has. Besides.. "Now - paraphrasing is ok - stating beliefs is ok..." |
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