was MaDonna in it?

the two married people are showing how to have sex without lust as they are reading the holy scriptures in the video

is the porn video now Holy?

if porn was sinful then explain why religious people have sex in front of God

Coulda been!

Strange ...
One of my friends told me that usually that control comes from her meds

Spirituality would be more like a believe related to mysticism including spiritual beings. Spiritual beings being a whole entity separate and different from physical beings.

So I'm confused about your statement "spirituality only exists in the living". By living are you referring to only those physical beings who are of the physical world and have certain charateristices, like humans or other animals?

If that's what you are referring to then you don't think such animals (including humans)have anything to do with the spirit realm. In essence, what you call spirit in a human is the energy that keeps a human alive. Do I have that right?

You also think you have to believe that other 'ghostly' or spirit attributed phenomona are real, but may not actually be the doing of spirit entities. Rather that such phenomina is related to other areas of the physical realm that we don't completely understand yet, or have not though of. Does that sound right?

I actually think in those terms. Of all the really ODD events I've expereinced in my life, I've been able to find more reasonable explanations for most of them, but there are still some that are simply a mystery. It may be that as science delves deeper into the newer theories "string, quantum" etc that we may have more answers for those ODD occurances.

Until then, I see no reason to attribute such events to anything - they're just somethink I don't yet understand and perhaps, in my life time, I will never have reasonable explanations for some those events, but again - that doesn't mean I HAVE to make something up or believe is something because it offers just another unreasonable explanation.

But THAT is my opinion, and some people do not think that religious based or spiritual beliefs offer any more unreasonable explanations than science. But when one or the other cannot offer solid and predictable evidence, then why choose to believe one or the other? (again my opinion).

HEY - you guys don't have to PROVE anything in this thread - it's about your OPINIONS - that's why Bible versus are not needed.

Abra, I know you have some interesting ideas about spirits or spirit beings - please share them.

I don't know about Cowboy as we've never been able to discuss anything without a bible in both hands.

come on guys drop the bible for a little while and add to the discussion. Since so many 'spiritual' beleifs seem to be built upon each other, it will be interesting to see how we might build different entities in the spirit world.

THANKS!

Ok - so here is a question for you AND EVERYONE -

Since so many people seem to equate life forms with energy and that it is energy that keeps matter alive, do you think that spirit beings are a form of energy OR as suggested above, some kind of multi-dimentional, micro, molecular structure? In other words - still part of the physical realm but not of the same material in the same dimention?

In earlier post, it was suggested that the spirit of humans is actually part of what makes a human - they are bound together early in on probably in the zygote (pre-embryo). In that case the spirit is the 'energy' that creates and sustains human life but it does not separate from the human when the body dies.

So - if some spirits are only energy, then there must be different kinds of energy - as one kind becomes one with human life while another kind is a singular entity and exists in another kind of realm.

So how can spirit beings interact with the physical realm at will if it is not the same kind of energy that we have in the physical world?

Another poster also suggested that the spirit IS part of the make-up of humans (being part of human development from conception) - but it is not separate from the physical.

So in your description, it sounds like the spirit is an antennea designed to pick up frequencies that are translated into directions guiding right and moral behaviors?

Another poster call angels - other humans, who pick up those moral directions and become human guides for other people.

Do those sound like they equate to your opinion of spirits?

Not necessarily - not if humans could not exist as the kind of beings they are, without a spirit. And it has been suggested that the spirit in humans IS JUST THAT - part of the human, developing along with humans from conception - and inseperable from the human form.

Perhaps, that kind of thinking can also explain the evolution of humans from other animal species - at least from a religious point of view - if not a scientific one.

So it would actually be a reasonable explation to some religious folks and would still fit in with some ancient scriptures.

In that way, the science related to evolution can be accepted by religious minded folks, because science does not consider 'spirit' in any way - so it's open to religious interpretation.

Yes, the characteristics and attributes of something are what they are. But in the discussion of opinions pertaining to spirits, I don't think it would be necesary to quote the Bible.

And you did a good job when you said that spirits talk to us everyday. But I had some questions, posted in my reply above. I hope you answer them. Thanks

Peter Pan wrote:



It would be better not to paraphrase, but certainly someone could say something like "Part of my religious belief is that spirits are... "

That would be just fine. No one has to go to great lengths to find scriptures or quote anything.

Of course religious beliefs and spiritual beliefs define spirits and spirituality for each individual.

Like Cowboy said, sometimes it's impossible to talk about something without stating how we 'know' what believe are the charcteristics and attributes of the spirits we want write about.

As I've said before - I think that can be done without quoting anything.

- I forgot to say, if you absolutely have to paraphrase you could, but please don't get carried away with it - ok?

We learn many things from books of all kinds. We don't quote everything we learn from every textbook we've ever read. I think stating that - I beleive the body is a temple of God - IS A STATEMENT of what the person believes.

I think if anyone does not understand what that person might mean, they could ask for clarification but not for a source of reference, because it's a belief - one person's opinion.

So let's not get too knit-picky. Let's get back to the topic. OK?
THANKS again.

Well, in that case, I think I could believe that people can be angels and sometimes they don't even know it.

I've certainly had my share of angels helping me along, even those angels whose names I never knew and those whose names I can't remember.

Sometimes I benefited from those angels with material wealth, $20 when I didn't have a dime - but the best benefits were in the lessons they taught me.


Have you ever heard of that movie or the saying "pay it forward"?
I've always thought that we should try to pass on, in any way possible, as many benefits to others as we've received from our own angels.

Redykeulous



Sorry I don't know the movie ..
And is wrong to force or do things which we think is the right one
giving by force something to others without someone to ask us abt it.

When and how and when we gonna give to others is a mission which non of us knows until we turn into angels even without to know or confess this.

if one believes that their body is a temple is one thing...perhaps they watch what they eat or whatever ....but to then claim that the body is a temple of God it at that point in time becomes a quote from the bible as to why they believe their body is a temple ...it therefore has nothing to do with what they actually believe but what they are required to believe

It's not a quote from the bible. Yes the bible may state it, but it's only quoted from the bible if verses are included. And we aren't "required" to believe anything. Someone can NOT be "required" to believe something. Believing is a choice done by YOU, it's not something that can be forced upon someone. It's a decision.

if the bible states it and you use it...then it's a quote



once you include God into the equation it makes reference to religious scripture



as a Christan are you require to believe that Jesus is the only way to God

I would love to share, but most of my ideas require quite a bit of background and understanding that most people on this forum aren't likely to be aware of.

From my perspective the main question of importance is to simply ask whether our true nature is spiritual. If it is, then we are indeed spirits ourselves. I personally believe that to be the case. This means that we are eternal and always have been, and we are not dependent upon the physical world for our existence as we have come to believe.

Of course, if we aren't spirit, then there probably is no such thing as spirit. So from my perspective all spiritual ideas begin with trying to understand our very own eternal nature.

Once we have accepted that we may be spiritual beings, then this opens up a flood gate of all manner of spiritual essence. This also should bring us to the vivid realization that the ability to imagine and perceive what we imagine is the true essence of reality.

What makes another person different from you?

Vantage point.

That's it. There is nothing else that is different.

Thus if you can create a new vantage point in your mind, you have, in essence, created a new spirit. In fact, this is precisely a method of spiritual invocation that is often explored by some spiritualists.

It's a deep and abstract concept. I wouldn't even attempt to 'argue' for or against it. I don't see it as being that kind of concept. It's simply a concept that a person can find useful or not. And that's the only thing that is worthy of recognition.

If we want to get into secular discussions of whether or not 'spirit' is scientifically feasible, I would simply offer my views that based on today's scientific knowledge, it's not only feasible, but actually highly likely based on what scientists are proposing today. Multiply dimensions, possible parallel universe, and so forth. There is more than sufficient scientific "theories" to support the possibility of intelligence being manifest by some sort of "physics" that we may currently consider to be 'non-physical' in terms of the normal physics we're used to in what we deem to be "our physical universe".

So from that perspective, there is more than enough secular plausibility for a spiritual essence to reality.

The one thing that I would suggest makes no sense at all, is indeed the "jealous Godhead syndrome". The idea that there exists a single head honcho spirit that lusts to have all other spirits worshiping and obeying the one. That kind of scenario appears to me to be so utterly absurd that it's not even worthy of consideration.

We're either spirit or we aren't. And if we are, then we've always been spirit and the property of eternal spirit is innate to the very essence of what we are.

So, for me, the fundamental question is whether or not we are spirit. I believe we are. In fact, I don't see how we cannot be.

To know thyself is to know God, because there can be no distinction between the two.

if the bible states it and you use it...then it's a quote


I did not specifically quote from the bible on exactly what it says, I only stated the knowledge it gives on that subject. You're just being ridiculous now. What you're trying to do here is discuss the law of Colorado without using the law book. How can one discuss about something without using the knowledge what is being discussed gives? This thread specifically said do not QUOTE the bible. I didn't quote anything out of the bible. But if one wishes to have a discussion about the scriptures then the knowledge of the scriptures are going to be there of course.

So since you think it can be done. Is it illegal to jay walk in Tucson Arizona? And you can not use the law book or any reference of the law book.

She said it perfectly below