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Let's have a discussion about all things spiritual and religious oriented HERE'S THE CATCH. No one is allowed to "quote" the bible or mention the bible after this post. In the mean time - here are some thoughts on spirit beings. to my understanding angels are spirits, ghosts of dead humans are spirits and there are spirits called poltergeists and there are demon spirits. According to the old teachings and beliefs Angels are many kinds and the most popular of them are our angels-teachers and angels-saviors. About their origin : in all teaching and beliefs angels are alive people who come in our life in some reason and after their mission /to teach us, to support us, to give us hope and power , to back our faith in love and god , to safe our life , to change our life etc. etc..../ has done it they gone. About demons,jinns etc.- all they said that they are spirits , ghosts of dead people /usually evil/ searching for revenge , or confused , or trapped between the worlds . If you believe in God did he create the spirit first and then the body or the body and then the spirit. AND can a dead human's spirit become a Demon spirit? The spirits/souls are immortal |
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Where in this post does she slander or degrade christianity? All she asked is that there be a religious discussion that isn't quoted directly from the bible. Is that too much? Can't christians confirm their beliefs without using the bible? it's impossible for a Christian to confim their beliefs without making reference to the bible because to do so would go against their belief and be blasphemy a Christian can not acknowledge a belief in spirits without mentioning God or the bible because to do so would point to a belief in the paranormal and place such a belief in the realm of demon worshipping all Christians know about God or spirits is not due to personal experiences beyond delusion but due to the path they have supposedly been placed on due to the what they have read in the bible A discussion can still be done without using bible verses. I can claim that thievery is wrong and immoral without using a bible verse. I can say it is extremely disgusting to kill another human being without using a bible verse. I can say everyone will have their reward for what they have done upon this earth. It's not impossible to have a discussion without using specific bible verses, that's only in between your left and right ear that it can not be done. the original post was suggesting the possibility of having a discussion about spiritual and religious oriented things ....the topics you mention "thievery and homicide" are that which exist due to human nature and not due to belief since you claim that such a discussion can take place without quoting from the bible...then do as the original poster suggested and tell about your belief in the existence of spirits without making refernce to the bible or any other religious scripture... I'm curious to see if it will sound as if you have a belief in the paranormal |
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discussing christianity without referring to the bible is like discussing relativity without referring to einstein or discussing gravity without reference to newton most things people have learned they have READ from some trusted source even though not all people trust the same source spirituality is a different topic than christianity, a much broader topic that is more founded in personal 'feelings' than anything people have learned from any book ,,but there is no reason that learning from a book should be discarded or looked down upon , its how most of us DO learn most of what we know in regards to reds second question about dust, the dust comes from the ground I have not asked for discussion of CHRISTIANITY - the discussion is about spirits. ALL are welcome to bring their beliefs into this discussion but if an individual cannot convey personal beliefs without the aid of a book then how does that person even know what their beliefs are? This is not a thread dedicated to learning about any particular book or scripture but rather (for once) it is only exploration of others opinions whether or not the opinion is derived from a religious belief makes no difference. If someone questions a particular opinion like the basis behind it - it would suffice to say you learned it through Christian doctrine - trust me, everyone here will know what that means. But I can't guanantee that others won't jump on someone who cannot explain WHY they hold a particular opinion if the basis of the opinion is 'WELL THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD OR TAUGHT' especially if that person belittles or puts down another person's opinion. Sorry not in my control - but if freedom of religion and freedom of speech are something a person claims for his or herself then it must be granted to all others. Most people's beliefs in spirits is founded on what they themselves have learned directly or indirectly from some book... I'd wager that the majority of the posters have been influenced by the HOLY BIBLE e.g. angels, demons, devils, ghosts...satan, etc. a great deal of that being misconstrued and even exaggerated by their own figurings...or by a science fiction writer's renderings... The title of this discussion should read " The Imaginations of the Masses". 
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Let's have a discussion about all things spiritual and religious oriented HERE'S THE CATCH. No one is allowed to "quote" the bible or mention the bible after this post. In the mean time - here are some thoughts on spirit beings. to my understanding angels are spirits, ghosts of dead humans are spirits and there are spirits called poltergeists and there are demon spirits. According to the old teachings and beliefs Angels are many kinds and the most popular of them are our angels-teachers and angels-saviors. About their origin : in all teaching and beliefs angels are alive people who come in our life in some reason and after their mission /to teach us, to support us, to give us hope and power , to back our faith in love and god , to safe our life , to change our life etc. etc..../ has done it they gone. About demons,jinns etc.- all they said that they are spirits , ghosts of dead people /usually evil/ searching for revenge , or confused , or trapped between the worlds . If you believe in God did he create the spirit first and then the body or the body and then the spirit. AND can a dead human's spirit become a Demon spirit? The spirits/souls are immortal Thanks for the information. Can you explain - your meaning of "angels are alive people". Does that mean, like someone who seems just as human as we are? But they are only here on a mission? If all angels are immortal, are there a fixed number of them or do they pro-create? I've read some Sci-fi and saw some movies in which angels pro-created with humans - do you think they can do that? |
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discussing christianity without referring to the bible is like discussing relativity without referring to einstein or discussing gravity without reference to newton most things people have learned they have READ from some trusted source even though not all people trust the same source spirituality is a different topic than christianity, a much broader topic that is more founded in personal 'feelings' than anything people have learned from any book ,,but there is no reason that learning from a book should be discarded or looked down upon , its how most of us DO learn most of what we know in regards to reds second question about dust, the dust comes from the ground I have not asked for discussion of CHRISTIANITY - the discussion is about spirits. ALL are welcome to bring their beliefs into this discussion but if an individual cannot convey personal beliefs without the aid of a book then how does that person even know what their beliefs are? This is not a thread dedicated to learning about any particular book or scripture but rather (for once) it is only exploration of others opinions whether or not the opinion is derived from a religious belief makes no difference. If someone questions a particular opinion like the basis behind it - it would suffice to say you learned it through Christian doctrine - trust me, everyone here will know what that means. But I can't guanantee that others won't jump on someone who cannot explain WHY they hold a particular opinion if the basis of the opinion is 'WELL THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD OR TAUGHT' especially if that person belittles or puts down another person's opinion. Sorry not in my control - but if freedom of religion and freedom of speech are something a person claims for his or herself then it must be granted to all others. Most people's beliefs in spirits is founded on what they themselves have learned directly or indirectly from some book... I'd wager that the majority of the posters have been influenced by the HOLY BIBLE e.g. angels, demons, devils, ghosts...satan, etc. a great deal of that being misconstrued and even exaggerated by their own figurings...or by a science fiction writer's renderings... The title of this discussion should read " The Imaginations of the Masses".
Well, it does take a mighty active imagination to conceive of gods and goddesses, angels, and spirits. But spirit worship has been found to be as old as worshipping the sun or the moon and stars. That makes the stories that drove those beliefs, older than any of the worlds most notable religions. Much of the sci-fi that's written, has taken shape from some anchient text or story somewhere. So I find it interesting to hear what poeple believe today, regardless of how they came by the information. There was a 'really' old B&W movie called "Death Takes a Holiday" - it was remade several years ago, and not too badly done. But in it, Death is a spirit whose job it is to reclaim human spirits when it's time for the body to die. I liked the movie because it showed that there are some things we might see as evil or bad when they are neither. |
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When its something you believe in its superstition, when I believe in it its religion.
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All religions and deities are created by humans: deity is created in the image of humans, not the other way around.
All religions share an ancient, common source, much older than Judaism. Each new religion builds on the back of the ones preceding it: there is nothing new in any religion. |
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All religions and deities are created by humans: deity is created in the image of humans, not the other way around. All religions share an ancient, common source, much older than Judaism. Each new religion builds on the back of the ones preceding it: there is nothing new in any religion. Yes "religions" were created by people. God created us, we created religion to worship our father and to keep other people "beliefs" satisfied. Not to infringe on their happiness. The word has been the same since the beginning of all existence. Nothing has changed the scriptures and nothing will change it. |
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All religions and deities are created by humans: deity is created in the image of humans, not the other way around. All religions share an ancient, common source, much older than Judaism. Each new religion builds on the back of the ones preceding it: there is nothing new in any religion. Yes "religions" were created by people. God created us, we created religion to worship our father and to keep other people "beliefs" satisfied. Not to infringe on their happiness. The word has been the same since the beginning of all existence. Nothing has changed the scriptures and nothing will change it. No, man created religion as a means to control and divide the masses, using God as the way to do it. Suffice it to say, it's worked very well. |
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All religions and deities are created by humans: deity is created in the image of humans, not the other way around. All religions share an ancient, common source, much older than Judaism. Each new religion builds on the back of the ones preceding it: there is nothing new in any religion. i think the key word there is "builds"... many peoples imagination runs deep, so if the bible hasn't changed in 2000 years, where do all these religions come from? some people are weak minded so they want to believe whatever sounds good to them... |
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What the heck is stition anyway?
I've heard of superstition and know what it is but what's stition? I know what super is and it's clearly combined with this (to me) unknown stition. Any ideas anybody? Lol that's a good question. I've tried looking for it on google but nothing comes up. I'm wondering if it's latin? I have a feeling a stition would be story, like a cautionary tale and a super stition a story that has been blown out of proportion, or perhaps one that has become untilmately extremely popular, but that's not an official explanation. That's just me sitting here saying "Superstition...super...stition...stitio… over and over again. I sound mad now :) Source(s): Lol source? What source! Totally off the top of my head :) http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080303085224AADjDzD Wow. I am not alone. There are others out there like me. 
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All religions and deities are created by humans: deity is created in the image of humans, not the other way around. All religions share an ancient, common source, much older than Judaism. Each new religion builds on the back of the ones preceding it: there is nothing new in any religion. Yes "religions" were created by people. God created us, we created religion to worship our father and to keep other people "beliefs" satisfied. Not to infringe on their happiness. The word has been the same since the beginning of all existence. Nothing has changed the scriptures and nothing will change it. No, man created religion as a means to control and divide the masses, using God as the way to do it. Suffice it to say, it's worked very well. In no way does Christianity divide people. It doesn't make anyone less of a person then another. Some religions make levels in the sociaty, as in women are looked at as tools basically and the men call all the shots and control everything. Christianity in no way does this, everyone is equal, and that's the truth. We are all equal in this world, not one of us is better then the other. |
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we start out as equals when we are born but its our decisions after that that separate us into different so called levels. a theif is not equal to a nun...a rapist is not equal to a law abiding person..a murderer is not equal to a doctor..the only ones who are equal are the people who live thier lives with dignity and integrity. an athiest and a religious person are also equals if they live there lives with dignity and integrity. One does not need to believe in god to live a good life...to be equal to the believers.
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we start out as equals when we are born but its our decisions after that that separate us into different so called levels. a theif is not equal to a nun...a rapist is not equal to a law abiding person..a murderer is not equal to a doctor..the only ones who are equal are the people who live thier lives with dignity and integrity. an athiest and a religious person are also equals if they live there lives with dignity and integrity. One does not need to believe in god to live a good life...to be equal to the believers. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Not one person is greater then the other. A nun and a rapist are equal, a law abiding person and a murder are equal, and so on. Only one sin is greater then any other and that is denying the lord thy God. Outside of that all sins are equal. equals if they live there lives with dignity and integrity This is exactly how our father has told us to live. |
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we ARE all equals as clean slates as flesh only but its our deeds...our actions...our thoughts...our hearts that tip the scales.i do not believe that the molester is equal to the child..that the murderer is equal to the dead...the liar is equal to the truth sayer.i believe that evil doers DO have an equal right to life but in thier deeds..do not always deserve to live
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we ARE all equals as clean slates as flesh only but its our deeds...our actions...our thoughts...our hearts that tip the scales.i do not believe that the molester is equal to the child..that the murderer is equal to the dead...the liar is equal to the truth sayer.i believe that evil doers DO have an equal right to life but in thier deeds..do not always deserve to live Yes but that is what makes us who we are. That's what defines us, our actions. You can say any words at any time for any reason, but as the saying goes "actions speak louder then words". A lot of people are misguided, or are born in a community where everyone there denies God. So this child born there would naturally grow up with that mindset. Now say this child moves away from the culture for one reason or other. But in their journey they get in a major car wrech and are now on their death bed. They find God right there on their deathbed. They finally give their heart over to the lord. Would it be righteous to deny this person heaven? Is it really this person's fault for having lived the life they lived just because they were born in a culture where that was the right thing and never had the chance learn about the lord till that person was on their deathbed? Would that really be righteous? Remember, we are JUDGED on our actions through our lives. We aren't "condemned" for the actions we did through our life. It will be a righteous judgement. |
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not believing in god is only a sin if you are a believer. one doesnt need to believe in god to have a compassionate heart..a giving nature..goodness of being...a conscience. these are choices we make to perpetuate good for all. so one lives a life of destruction of others, fully knowing about religion and the bible, and then decides at the last minute to FIND god and be forgiven....does that soul get to go to the same heaven as mother theresa. i think NOT
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not believing in god is only a sin if you are a believer. one doesnt need to believe in god to have a compassionate heart..a giving nature..goodness of being...a conscience. these are choices we make to perpetuate good for all. so one lives a life of destruction of others, fully knowing about religion and the bible, and then decides at the last minute to FIND god and be forgiven....does that soul get to go to the same heaven as mother theresa. i think NOT Sins for you, sins for me, they are just that sins. There aren't sins for believers and sins for non-believers. No someone doesn't need to believe in God to be a good person. Faith without works is dead, and works alone can not save a man. As it's said, man can not live by bread alone. And yes that person would more then likely go to heaven if he truly wished to be forgiven and TRULY felt remorse for his/her actions. Vein words get you no where. You can not lie to God saying oh i'm sorry father I did not mean to do that. |
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Redykeulous wrote:
Let's have a discussion about all things spiritual and religious oriented HERE'S THE CATCH. No one is allowed to "quote" the bible or mention the bible after this post. In the mean time - here are some thoughts on spirit beings. to my understanding angels are spirits, ghosts of dead humans are spirits and there are spirits called poltergeists and there are demon spirits. According to the old teachings and beliefs Angels are many kinds and the most popular of them are our angels-teachers and angels-saviors. About their origin : in all teaching and beliefs angels are alive people who come in our life in some reason and after their mission /to teach us, to support us, to give us hope and power , to back our faith in love and god , to safe our life , to change our life etc. etc..../ has done it they gone. About demons,jinns etc.- all they said that they are spirits , ghosts of dead people /usually evil/ searching for revenge , or confused , or trapped between the worlds . If you believe in God did he create the spirit first and then the body or the body and then the spirit. AND can a dead human's spirit become a Demon spirit? The spirits/souls are immortal Thanks for the information. Can you explain - your meaning of "angels are alive people". Does that mean, like someone who seems just as human as we are? But they are only here on a mission? If all angels are immortal, are there a fixed number of them or do they pro-create? Angels are alive people like all of us.They have only mission which very rare some of them realized until one day , they understood that they did. No mystic , just God use each one of us in some moment like His tool and send us like an angel to cross and be in the life of someone and change it for better or we got our angels in our life Unreal,ghostly angels came from fairy-tales and folklore . I've read some Sci-fi and saw some movies in which angels pro-created with humans - do you think they can do that? as you said - sci-fi |
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the point was...i as a non believer, also dont believe in sins or the word sin to describle ones actions. i do believe in evil and karma. i dont fear hell and dont dream of heaven. i believe in goodness of heart and spirit. i do think there is a scale for actions or sins if you will. whether i believe in god or not doesnt mean that i dont have forgiveness in my heart. could i forgive a petty thief..sure...a white liar...sure...even a random act of cruelty...probably. a child predator...never...a torturer of others..never...a person who commits incest...never. i know in my own heart what is good and evil...i dont need a god to forgive anyone for me...i have a mind and a heart for that. if by chance im wrong and i go to hell for believing in righteousness without faith then at least in my own heart i can feel good about it. not trying to be flip with you cowboyGH but my beliefs are as real to me as yours are to you. in the end i truely believe that karma rules and i think you and your god carry good karma.
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