Cowboy...Stay Encouraged....

None of us know everything.

I have a LONG way to go ,myself.


Cowboy, I believe God is going to use your life

in a Mighty Way.



God WILL make ALL things Clear....

not just to You but to ALL of us.....

as We continue to Seek Him ,

and Stay in His Word.

NONE of us have arrived yet.

None.

Unfortunately far too many Bible thumpers love to use their religion to spread hatred and lies.

That's what draws them to the religion. They see Jesus as a "robe" they can hide behind whist they spread hatred in his name.

If someone refuses to support their hatred and bigotry in the name of Jesus, they just turn caustic on that person.

The truth is that the biblical fables that Spider and Cowboy would LIKE for the Bible to be about simply don't match up with the story.

It's NOT about a loving "fatherly" image God who is trying to help people see what's good for them at all. It's entirely about a hateful God who is chomping at the bit to condemn and crucify anyone who refuses to suck up to his bigotry and male-chauvinism.

Of course, the whole thing is just a Hebrew fable, so there is not such God that fits their description. It's just as false as Zeus.

Actually people like Spider and Cowboy would much prefer the God of Eastern Mysticism since that concept of "god" is appearently a concept they would like to believe in. (i.e. truly just, wise, righteous, humane, perfect), all of the qualities that they "WISH" the Biblical God could have.

In fact, if they would take time to learn of the Moon Goddess and Sun God of Wicca they would probably find that those God-figures are actually far more loving, fair, and sane than the biblical God as well.

There really can't be anything "good" about a God that is appeased by blood sacrifices, or who hates "heathens". That's just a picture of a God that's out to make as many enemies as he can.

That wouldn't even be a healthy "fatherly image" to begin with.

So I forgive them for they know not what they do. They just worship a sick religion when all the while they would rather worship a genuinely nice God.

It's a shame they didn't just find a nice religion in the first place then they wouldn't be in the rut they're in.

No that would not make three cowboys, takes those three to make this one. They are not separate entities, they are all one. They don't have a mind of their own to make their own decisions. They are what makes me.

God said specifically "This is my child, in whom I'm well pleased". *or something along those lines, maybe not those exact words, sorry for if are some minor in-corrections there. So this shows specifically they are separate beings. Not three making one. For instance if they were three making one it would be the same as, my arm, my leg, and my head. All three are separate body parts, yes. But they all are controlled by the head. They do not have their own will, they can not choose, they have no choice. Jesus, our Father, and the Holy Spirit all have their own minds, can make their own choices. They do no have to obedient if they did not wish to be. But they have gave up their own will to do the will of our father. This indeed makes them AS ONE. But still they would be separate entities and not one entity in exact.



Yes, when I "pass away" on Earth, my body will go to the ground. And with the second coming of Christ, depending on Jesus' judgment, I will either remain dead or be resurrected given a new body. A perfect body without flaw, I will be part of the body of Christ. And there really couldn't be a new cowboy in heaven and the old one in the ground. Heaven will be brought to Earth. And the Earth will be replenished and made perfect again.



Then answer me this please. If Jesus was God on Earth or our Father on Earth, who was Jesus speaking to when he prayed to our father and or when he specifically prayed the prayer "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do". What would be the point in this, if he was the father?



Amen!!! Jesus defeated death so that you could have eternal life through him.

The answer is quite simple.

The stories are fables and that's why they make no sense and are riddled with contradictions.

You have several contradictions right here.

Contradiction #1

Jesus supposedly said "I and the Father are one".
And then they have Jesus praying to the Father as if the Father is something other than him.

Contradiction #2

The Bible says that the Father judgeth no man, and all judgment has been committed to the Son, yet here we have Jesus asking the Father to forgive people.

Contradiction #3

They have Jesus actually trying to "explain" to the Father why these people should be forgiven (i.e. "For they know not what they do")

That implies that either Jesus thinks that the Father isn't wise enough on his own to figure out what's just and right, or it implies that he feels that the Father would judge them unjustly and he's actually arguing with the "Father" concerning what constitutes a judgmental.

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In short, there could never be any reason for Jesus to have ever uttered any such thing if he was truly a demigod like the authors of the Bible claim.

The only reason these words could have ever been written into this story is because the authors who made up the story up were trying to convince their readers that Jesus was forgiving even in the most absurd circumstances.

I almost forgot, there's even a fourth contradiction associated with this very same scene.

Contradiction #4

The authors of these stories previously had Jesus proclaiming that he would deny any man who denies him. Yet here at Calvary they have him going back on his very own words. Jesus pleading a case for men who are denying him.

So you've got contradictions galore here.

How to solve them?

That's EASY. Just recognize that the whole thing is nothing more than a man-made fable and we expect it to contain absurdities and contradictions galore. All questions are then automatically answered, and all absurdities solved.

Cowboy, from what I understood from an earlier post

you made, you stated that you believe that Jesus did not

actually die , but just defeated death....

and still ressurrected without actually dying.



Cowboy.....that is Incorrect acording to scriptures.

Jesus actually DIED on the cross for our sins, and then arose

from the DEAD.

He was dead and buried...then arose from the dead.

He Ressurrected from the dead...meaning he actually Died.



Yes.... He defeated death....meaning...He AROSE FROM THE DEAD.

Ok?


Also....Like I stated in my earlier post,

God left His glory behind, and humbled Himself and became

man..and while on this Earth, Jesus was obedient to the Father .



Also Cowboy, you wrote and I quote:

"Then answer me this please. If Jesus was God on Earth or our Father on Earth, who was Jesus speaking to when he prayed to our father and or when he specifically prayed the prayer "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do". What would be the point in this, if he was the father?"


Ok, no one is saying that Jesus is the Father...

or that the Father is Jesus.....

or that the Holy Spirit is Jesus,, etc etc...

Each is a separate entity...

AND ALL 3 ARE EQUALLY GOD.....

yet...

all 3 separate entities ,

the Father ,Son ,and Holy Spirit

STILL

MAKE

UP

ONE

GODHEAD....

meaning..... ONE GOD.


GOD THE FATHER , GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT

ARE THE THREE IN ONE GODHEAD....

MEANING.....ONE GOD!!!


And ALL POWER and GLORY has been given of the Father ,

to JESUS now....

because of what He did on that cross.


Cowboy, Spend time now in God's Word .....


God Can and Will REVEAL HIS TRUTH....

and Make All things CLEAR to you .


I feel I'm only repeating myself now....

So please understand, I feel it's best that I no longer

post on this subject .

No I don't think an all powerful being needs slaves at all, that isn't my belief. I don't think an all powerful being needs anything from us except that we would exist here. That's about it.

Your religion though paints that type of picture, since you are more or less forced to do the will of this "God" whether you really want to or not, with threats of death.

It may be true that God wishes the best for us, loves us and knows that if we do things a certain way, we will be happier here than if we do things other ways. But the real God is not going to circumvent our free will, by saying: "do this or die forever", that's not how it works and is not love. The real God is above such things.

What is love, is letting us experience this world any way we want to, make of our lives what we will depending on where we wish to go, and always being there for us to help and guide us along the way. No judging, no condemnation, nothing but pure love. This is who God really is.

I find it rather sad and telling that this picture of God is rejected in lieu of a bloodthirsty one.

I sorry if you are repeating yourself. I'm not doing this to argue, please don't take it that way. I'm just asking/saying the questions that pop into my mind about this. I want to know the truth of this, don't get me wrong. I'm not head strong thinking I know what I know for a fact. That is why I say the things I say, not to cause troubles or be irritating or anything.



Jesus died in secular terms yes. Jesus' body passed away, thus the reasoning they brought him down from the cross, thus the resurrection from death. But Jesus himself, his spirit, did not die. That is all I was saying at the time you're getting this previous conversation from. Death, is not receiving the gift of heaven and eternal life through Jesus Christ, thus dying.

There are absolutely not threats of death. Our lives go like this, "Birth, live your life, death". No threats, just the "normal" outcome of a life. God offers eternal life through the blood of Jesus. Yes there are some laws we have to abide by, but that is not what get's one into heaven. That is part yes, our actions show our faith.

So I guess that whole burning forever thing doesn't count right?

And if the laws don't get us into heaven why do we have to abide by them then? They must not matter that much.

We will be judged by our faith and works eg., actions, not actions a lone. And no there is still no "threats".

Is it a threat, someone saying play with fire, you might wind up burnt?
Is it a threat, someone telling you if you go down this road you'll wind up in the middle of no where?
Is it a threat, someone telling you if you drink rat poison, it'll kill you?
Is it a threat, someone telling you, that if you shoot yourself in the head, you'll die?

God makes no threats, merely informs us of certain outcomes of certain actions.

No, Cowboy your analogy here fails miserably.

We're talking about a supposedly all-powerful God who created everything, including a place of everlasting punishment to cast souls into that don't please him.

Therefore your analogies don't fit.

This God CREATED this supposed hell himself, and therefore he most certainly is THREATENING to send people there if they fail to please him.

So your God is a demon Cowboy. No different from Hitler.

There is no excuse for such hateful demonic behavior.

It's insidious, disgusting, and ungodly behavior.

Just yet another reason why these fables cannot be true.

They spit in the very face of any divine God. They are totally devoid of any divinity. They necessarily have to be the sick demented works of the minds of mortal men.

No truly all-righteous divine God could possibly be as sickly as these stories demand.

So you're analogies fail once again.

1. Hell was and is purely a holding place for Satan.
2. No person will ever be tortured or anything in hell.

Hell is only temporary. God originally created everything to live in paradise, no pain, no sickness, no hunger, no nothing but love, joy, and happiness. Man screwed that idea up with following into the temptation of Satan. Nothing God did caused or causes any form of pain or suffering. It all revolves around our own actions. We bring the pain and suffering upon ourselves through our faith and actions.

You're answer is in the question(s) you're trying state here. Is it truly God casting anyone anywhere? Why place blame on someone else? Would it not be the person's action(s) that placed them into punishment? Would it not be the person's fault they missed out on the glory of heaven? Sure it would be, it would be their fault from the faith they held or lacked of and the actions they did that followed. It's the person's own fault they receive the gift or receive the punishment, it's not God's fault.

If there was no punishment, what would be the bad thing of just doing what you wanted to and when? Just as the world's countries have their own laws. If they did not have these laws, would people not just run around taking what they want, doing what they want, when they want it, and how they want it? Yes not EVERYONE would do this, but quite a bit would. So laws/punishments have to made to try to ensure ordure. Same as with God our father.

You're clearly denying the story. In fact, you're specifically denying words attributed directly to Jesus himself.

You can totally superficially argue about the term "hell" to your heart's content. I couldn't care less about labels.

Jesus himself states that those who do not make it to everlasting life will suffer everlasting punishment. So the story has this God condemning people to everlasting punishment.

Whether it's officially called "hell" or not is a moot point.

The demonic behavior of the God is still perverse.

God sends no one no where. It's called cause and effect.

Cause - You totally deny Jesus and live as you wish till you pass away in this life
Effect - You will not receive the gift of heaven.

It's not God's fault one doesn't end up in Heaven, it is the own person's fault for his or her actions. It is that person whom sent them self there.

What about that bush man that never heard of a Jesus or bible. He lives a good life not harming anyone and enjoys his children and wife. He has no cause or effect. What will God do with him? Will he contemplate and roll a six sided dice to see if he can go to his kingdom?

What about the agnostics who are not sure about it all. Are dice thrown for them also? Lol

Come on seriously!

but wait there is more news for you....

God isn't powerful enough to save everyone, so only the "chosen few" make it in. The Jehovah's Witnesses have set the number at 144,000 people, and that's it. Only Christians get in, and then it's limited to only "True Christians". A True Christian is your personal flavor of Christianity and most all other Christians are not really Christians, but are really working for the Devil. Satan seems to have more influence here than God does. Satan is some fallen angle who somehow suckered God way back when and got power. I guess someone stupid enough to believe a death bed conversion can fall for anything, and isn't very bright. So Satan is misleading all but the chosen few who are True Christians and are going to Heaven.

This creates a dilemma. With all the flavors of Christianity out there, how does a person find the True Christians? I guess you're supposed to "know it in your heart" but there are a lot of Christians out there who are listening to God speak to their heart and getting a lot of conflicting information. God is having a hard time getting his story consistent it would seem, or, you have Satan out there pretending to be God and if you are fooled, God is going to punish you. Remember, God is one seriously pissed off dude and has no room for error!

So, unlike other religions, like Wiccans and Buddhists, Christians believe that Gods has chosen them and therefore they are better than everyone. And because of that, they have no respect for anything other than their own limited and narrow perception of the world as their particular flavor of Christianity sees it.

So folks get your ticket to heaven fast. You better believe without asking questions....yes that would be heresy to question the bible...wow am I glad I don't live in the 1700s right!

Yes get your tickets now to that heavenly staircase to heaven. Repent now, admit your failures, kneel down and beg for forgiveness and try to be rescued and saved!

That's your thinking Cowboy. Not necessarily the thoughts of anyone else.

All you are saying when you make a statement like this is that if you personally weren't being threatened by punishment you'd be a horrible person.

If that weren't true, then you'd know that it's very easy for a lot of people to be good people without having any threat of punishment hanging over their heads. So the idea that a God would need to resort to such absurd methods is insane.

I'm truly sorry to hear that this is the way you feel about things.

And for the safety and well-being of anyone you might meet I hope that you continue to fear the wrath of God and refrain from the horrible things that you're rather being doing if you didn't have to fear being punished for having done them.

That's truly sad Cowboy.

We have plenty of examples throughout the world of non-Christians and even atheists who are clearly good people and even in many cases outstandingly great people. And they are not acting that way simply because they fear that if they do what the 'want' they will be punished.

On the contrary, they don't "want" to do bad things.

I'm truly sorry to hear that you do, and that you only restrain yourself out of fear of punishment.

If the thought of a wrathful God is the only thing that keeps you in line then I certainly hope that you keep the faith at least until you grow too old to be a threat to anyone.

And if you don't believe this way, then your original point was totally moot because even you would not be a bad person if you didn't believe in a wrathful God.

So you really shot yourself in the foot with this idea.

You have no choice but to confess, that even YOU would be a good person if you didn't fear being punished by a God (which would fly in the face of your very own point)

Or you'd have to confess that if it wasn't for your fear of punishment you'd be a horrible person.

So you're kind of stuck your foot in your mouth on that one.

You're in denial of the biblical scriptures and the words they assign to Jesus himself Cowboy:


Matt.25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

You're trying to make up your own version of the religion. Matthew has Jesus himself stating clearly that the unrighteous shall go away into everlasting punishment

That's how this fairytale goes Cowboy.

If you want to support it, you need to do so.

If you want to be in denial of it, then you'd be far better off just going out and getting a better religion to support. One that you don't need to be in constant conflict with.

Why continue to support a religion that you don't even like?

You're still trying to blame the other and not take responsibility.

Matthew 25:42/43

42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

You posted the effect, so let me post the cause of that effect. These people sent themselves to everlasting punishment by their actions of what they did or not do. They brought it upon them self. They sent themselves there.