I have read the Bible cover to cover. I have taught the Bible in Sunday School. I have studied the Bible both as a Christian and a nonbeliever. I know what Christians believe, and I know that different Christians believe different things. I know the Bible as well as you do.

I have shaken the hands of many, many Christians; I have consorted with many Christians.

You can tell the other person that he/she doesn't know the Bible, but it doesn't apply to me.

One reason why I left the Christian faith is because I could no longer swallow the many contradictions, hypocrisies, and outright fabrications within the Bible. I could not take its anti-feminine stance.

I have children, trust me, he cares

that we dont think he cares because we dont get the answer or response we expect or want is just a condition of our infancy....

Not only that, but the myth of the flood started in Egypt when Ra decided to punish humans for being rude and disrespectful.

It continued (or ran concurrent)in Sumeria when Enlil decided to wipe out humans with a flood because humans were evil and disrespectful. However, Enki tells Utnapishtim to build an ark (sound familiar) and put animals on board (sound even more familiar?).

The Jews probably took their version of the myth from the Babylonians when they were captive there.

In addition, there are TWO versions of the flood in Genesis, as there are two versions of creation; in both places, the two versions contradict each other.

Go figure

Does God even care that your tree forks?
Have you ever had to use a plastic spfork?

Almost exactly what happened to me too.

I cannot take the discrimination, hypocrisy, falseness, misogynistic, superior and unhealthy ideal of Christianity after being raised both Baptist and Catholic.

Cop-out.

And because you have children means nothing. I have children, as well, and I would NEVER submit them to the things that Yahweh submitted "his" children.

Not only that, the comparison of human parenting to godly parenting is not an apt comparison: many parents abuse their children, let them go hungry, desert them, and even kill them.

Or maybe it is an apt comparison--that is what Yahweh has done to his children.

Im sorry you feel that way, but I wasnt copping out of anything

I was actually responding to the previous post implying that the answer to the op about 'caring' was no because of a similarity to PARENTS 'tuning out' children,,,somehow meaning they dont CARE


my response is simply, that as a parent learning to PRIORITIZE and respond appropriately in no way is evidence of not caring,,,

And my point is that you cannot judge the nature of god by how YOU feel. Some parents don't care.

Not an apt analogy, hmmmmm

Not an apt analogy, hmmmmm

than perhaps we should delete this thread,, which is asking a hypothetical about how God feels...????


or perhaps I can stick with my answer to a young man who I believe makes a broad and false assumption that a parent 'tuning' out means a parent not 'caring'


and to answer him further, I know He cares about me, I have seen it many times(and heard it)


perhaps others need to discover the answer for themself,,,

And to add to the criticism that nonbelievers don't read or know the Bible, I seriously wonder if most Christians do. In this forum alone, I see people who purport to be devout Christians arguing with nonbelievers, yet the Bible is very clear on this practice:

7 Leave the presence of a fool, Or you will not discern words of knowledge. (Prov. 14:7)

"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces. (Matt. 7:6)

But have nothing to do with worldly fables fit only for old women. On the other hand, discipline yourself for the purpose of godliness; (1 Tim. 4:7)

(Note the misogyny in this verse, as if old men don't indulge in worldly fables.)

Remind them of these things, and solemnly charge them in the presence of God not to wrangle about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers. . . . 16 But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness, 17 and their talk will spread like gangrene. (2 Tim. 2:14, 16-17)

10 Reject a factious man after a first and second warning, 11 knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned. Titus 3:9-11

Yet day after day, Christians are in these forums violating ALL of the above verses.

Tsk.

You are free to express any opinion that you like, just as I am free to point out the fallacies in your thinking.

I know I wouldn't want a parent like the Christian god, for sure

it would be interesting to discuss the difference between 'arguing' and 'discussing' or 'sharing' or even 'healthy debate'



something else to consider is that in a FORUM like this, it is much more than a 'one on one' conversation we usually think of as ARGUING

it is a PAGE (or pages) of opinion and information for an AUDIENCE to take in,,,in that sense, it is not casting pearls before swine but contributing an antithesis to false or misleading information that those seeking truth might be confused about,,,,many read these posts who dont actually write in them ,and THAT is why providing both sides is important


if any of these posts were in person, and just with that one person, I could wholeheartedly agree that it would be a waste of precious time and energy

likewise,,,

another beautiful thing is that you dont HAVE to accept him,,,,


life is a balance of choices,, for all of us

So in other words, you recognize that you can't refute my proofs. All you can do is pretend that they don't actually apply to the biblical fables. That's fine with me. People who have actually read the Bible know that what I speak of is the truth.

You can deny it all you want. That doesn't bother me in the least because I know that this is your way of coping with life. I understand your personal needs.

Well, according to the fables you do, unless you're willing to spiritually die.

This would be like saying about Hitler.

The beautiful thing is that you don't HAVE to accept him,...

Instead you can accept being shot to death.

That's really beautiful to have such choices.

No MsHarmony, the religion isn't saying that you don't HAVE to accept the Biblical God. The religion is saying precisely the opposite. You absolutely MUST accept this God lest you be KILLED!

To refuse this God is a SIN, and the only wages of sin is DEATH!

That's not what I would call a "beautiful choice".

It's what I would call a "demonic threat" to obey or be KILLED!

no, our flesh will die WHETHER WE ACCEPT HIM or not,,


that is not conditional or negotiable

it is our SPIRIT that may or may not live on,, and if one truly doesnt ACCEPT GOD, why would one wish to continue in a spiritul life with HIM


seems like a sweet deal to me,, if you dont accept him, you dont have to be with him after this life

whats unfair or demonic about that?