Topic: Who does Christmas Offend?
yellowrose10's photo
Mon 12/06/10 08:48 PM


I can see it being offensive if someone...let's say....walks into a synagogue and yells "Merry Christmas" knowing they don't celebrate Christmas. But if someone comes to me and says Happy Hanukkah I would feel good because they are sending me well wishes.



When you walk into any PUBLIC arena you do not leave your religious beliefs at home. For example, Christians like to say that the body is a temple - so you're church is whereever you go. So walking into ANY public arena and shouting 'Merry Christmas' or 'May Mithra be with you' or 'Happy Hanukkah' is the same as depicted in your scenario.

The truth is, personnally, I'm really not offended at all by a heartfelt personal wish for health, prosperity, happiness, etc - what does offend me is when poeple wish it in their name of their god of which I have no personal connection to. Hoever, I tolerate it because I would like to believe that the person wishing felt some connection with me - even if just out of respect for another human being.

What I don't understand is why Christians seem to NEED these dramatic displays all around them, in order to feel like it's Christmas. If that's what freely expressing a religious belief is all about ....

Isn't that quite imposing on others who do not share the need to display their religious beliefs in such boisterous style?

Shouldn't we feel the least bit uncomfortable with exhibitionist displays of only one when thre are so many others in our country?





Obviously it's not just Christians that put up decorations (as seen in this thread alone)

If someone is offended because I celebrate in my own way, then frankly that is their problem.

You can't please everyone. I'm not going to stop being who I am because someone doesn't like it.

People should be who they are and not have to stop because they may or may not offend someone.

Turn the tables....those who are offended by these things and want it to stop are infringing on the rights or beliefs of others.

It's not just Christmas. There are other holidays that people decorate for and say well wishes for.

galendgirl's photo
Mon 12/06/10 08:50 PM
People need to just get over themselves...

Political correctness always offends someone on one side of the argument or the other and we spend an inordinate amount of time worrying about it instead of being accepting, kind, and appreciative of each others' differences.

On that note-
Merry Christmas.
Happy Hanukkah.
Happy Kwanzaa.
Whatever holiday YOU happen to celebrate (with festive trappings or quietly without fanfare) - I genuinely hope it is peaceful and pleasurable. I'm not offended at all.



yellowrose10's photo
Mon 12/06/10 08:50 PM


so (if I am understanding correctly) just because some may or may not be offended, people have to stop celebrating the holidays as they want to?


I don't see it that way. I do think that people need to realize not everyone will celebrate the holidays their way and need to stop getting offended by that.


I know you don't. You are one of the ones that is non Christian that celebrates it (not in a religious sense)

I'm Christian but I don't celebrate the holidays in a religious way because it's my belief.

I'm on the same page as you

Redykeulous's photo
Mon 12/06/10 08:53 PM




I can see it being offensive if someone...let's say....walks into a synagogue and yells "Merry Christmas" knowing they don't celebrate Christmas. But if someone comes to me and says Happy Hanukkah I would feel good because they are sending me well wishes.

The PC stuff is getting whack-a-doo

I'm going to start making up holidays. Can't be offended if you don't know what it is, right????

Happy blubatoney everyone drinker


I tell people Happy Hanukkah sometimes when they wish me a Merry Christmas. I get some weird looks. laugh




lol, cute

My paralegal instructor was a jewish lawyer. She wished me happy (Rosh hashana?)some jewish holiday and I was like,,,,"THANKS< YOU TOO"


then I proceded to ask her what (Rosh Hashana?) was....lol


haha nice.

Our Mayor is Jewish and he was at the Christmas Tree lighting and spoke there. So, it's definitely not all people who are offended by things having to do with certain holidays. I think some people just like to complain, no matter what's going on. They're not content if they're not complaining about something.


See - this is what is so ironic. Chritians see this kind of action as 'support' for their views (ie. religion). Would they see it that way if they didn't feel so impressed by their own majority?

Can they not see how truely Pagan their splendiferous holiday has become? There was a very well thought out political reason for combining religious festivals - now for those who lament the disregard of 'tradition' - rest assured that the Pagan ones are alive and well - as so many in this thread have proven.

May Mithra be with you all as you enjoy your midwinter feasts and my the Yule tide bring you a renewed cycle of health and happiness.

metalwing's photo
Mon 12/06/10 08:53 PM
There is always someone who is offended by almost anything. There is a big difference in accommodating a minority and being terrorized by them.

no photo
Mon 12/06/10 08:56 PM



so (if I am understanding correctly) just because some may or may not be offended, people have to stop celebrating the holidays as they want to?


I don't see it that way. I do think that people need to realize not everyone will celebrate the holidays their way and need to stop getting offended by that.


I know you don't. You are one of the ones that is non Christian that celebrates it (not in a religious sense)

I'm Christian but I don't celebrate the holidays in a religious way because it's my belief.

I'm on the same page as you


:thumbsup:

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 12/06/10 08:56 PM

See - this is what is so ironic. Chritians see this kind of action as 'support' for their views (ie. religion). Would they see it that way if they didn't feel so impressed by their own majority?

Can they not see how truely Pagan their splendiferous holiday has become? There was a very well thought out political reason for combining religious festivals - now for those who lament the disregard of 'tradition' - rest assured that the Pagan ones are alive and well - as so many in this thread have proven.

May Mithra be with you all as you enjoy your midwinter feasts and my the Yule tide bring you a renewed cycle of health and happiness.


Again....generalizations.

How do you know what all Christians believe or know?

Why not let people celebrate and believe as they want? Who care about the why, how, where, when, etc.

navygirl's photo
Mon 12/06/10 08:59 PM



Season's greetings is acceptable as it has nothing to do with the word Christmas. One could interpet that saying as Winter greetings as winter is a season. Fact is you can say what you want in your private life but in business only certain things are acceptable. You can't risk losing a big account just because you insist on saying Merry Christmas. We have to respect the wishes of other cultures and other beliefs or non beliefs. At work we must represent ourselves professionally and keep our personal views to ourselves.


It may not say Christmas but it's used during that time. I have never heard it said during the summer. It is just a PC way of saying it.

I understand if a business wants to remain neutral. They are probably better off not saying anything but Have a nice day.


Myself when someone says Merry Christmas to me personally; I just don't acknowledge it or respond to it.


wouldn't that be offensive to someone just sending you well wishes?

I'm glad I have never worked at a place that dictated our well wishes.


If someone wants to send me well wishes; they can say exactly that; "I wish you well". They don't need to say Merry Christmas. I think it better to ignore the Merry Christmas than to get myself upset and say something very nasty back.

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 12/06/10 09:01 PM
you are right....that is your choice. IMO I don't see anything wrong if someone wishes me something nice whether I believe it or not. There are too many other things in the world to get upset about.

But my point is that others shouldn't have to stop giving well wishes because someone may or may not be offended.

Redykeulous's photo
Mon 12/06/10 09:02 PM



But wouldn't saying Season's Greetings be offensive to those that don't celebrate the season in any way???


Actually, I'd think Season's Greetings is as neutral as can possibly. Happy Holidays would suggest that you do celebrate some holiday, whereas Season's Greetings could apply to ANY season, not just winter.


Really? Funny I have NEVER heard anyone saying 'Season's Greetings' outside of the Christmas Shopping season. Perhaps the phrase is best equated to the largest consumer season of the year?

I wonder - is there a great increase in Bible purchases and hymnals in that Season of Greetings? I wonder if those profits would come close to the profits made at the same on religious iconic jewelry?

no photo
Mon 12/06/10 09:06 PM




But wouldn't saying Season's Greetings be offensive to those that don't celebrate the season in any way???


Actually, I'd think Season's Greetings is as neutral as can possibly. Happy Holidays would suggest that you do celebrate some holiday, whereas Season's Greetings could apply to ANY season, not just winter.


Really? Funny I have NEVER heard anyone saying 'Season's Greetings' outside of the Christmas Shopping season. Perhaps the phrase is best equated to the largest consumer season of the year?

I wonder - is there a great increase in Bible purchases and hymnals in that Season of Greetings? I wonder if those profits would come close to the profits made at the same on religious iconic jewelry?


Yeah, I don't think I've ever actually heard someone say Seasons Greetings to me. I've seen it written on a card, but never heard anyone actually use that phrase.

Redykeulous's photo
Mon 12/06/10 09:08 PM
a job that will discard someone for saying merry christmas is not an environment that would be a good fit for me anyhow,,,making everyone comfortable is impossible and not the bottom line


Then wish me luck with my little social experiment as I'm working within a majorly Catholic corporation.

Should they get complaints about the pagan greetings, I may be visiting the EEOC.

May your candles burn throughout the long solstice night.


navygirl's photo
Mon 12/06/10 09:10 PM


Its actually just as offensive to say Merry Christmas. Our offices here say Seasons Greetings. Fact is not all of us celebrate Christmas. I personally wouldn't put up a tree as I don't believe in killing trees. I also don't buy gifts either as I just don't believe in the commercialization of Christmas. I think you should be able to sit down with family and friends at Christmas with just a simple meal. There is no need for trees, lights, gifts, and the gluteny of over eating. Some how over the years; we seem to have forgotten how to celebrate a simple Chrismas without making it about money and silly decorations.


drinker

Just before I read your post I was thinking to myself - "I wonder what would happen if every store and every and Public area (not private - like homes) was completely void of any 'holiday' dressing and no Christmas music was piped in?"

Do you think the stores would see record decline in sales?


Yes, there would be a decline in sales as these decorations are like a subliminal commericals on tv; they make people want to buy. I have to laugh about how nice people are at Christmas when all I see is everyone swearing, flipping the bird, and getting in fights over parking spaces and gifts. Lets not forget the family violence and the high rate of suicides at this time of year. Yeah, makes me want to celebrate.....NOT!!!!

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 12/06/10 09:13 PM

a job that will discard someone for saying merry christmas is not an environment that would be a good fit for me anyhow,,,making everyone comfortable is impossible and not the bottom line


Then wish me luck with my little social experiment as I'm working within a majorly Catholic corporation.

Should they get complaints about the pagan greetings, I may be visiting the EEOC.

May your candles burn throughout the long solstice night.




And if people get offended by your well wishes, then THEY have the problem.

navygirl's photo
Mon 12/06/10 09:18 PM


so (if I am understanding correctly) just because some may or may not be offended, people have to stop celebrating the holidays as they want to?


I don't see it that way. I do think that people need to realize not everyone will celebrate the holidays their way and need to stop getting offended by that.


I agree with that statement. If you don't buy into the idea of eating a lot; putting up decorations, and spending vast amounts of money; then everyone thinks you are a grinch or scrooge. I could care less how anyone celebrates Christmas; I just ask that they don't shove it down my throat and not to wish me a Merry Christmas. Oh well in 17 days this nightmare will be over and we can all get back to being civilized again; thank goodness.

Redykeulous's photo
Mon 12/06/10 09:18 PM


Happy Chanukkah!! drinker


Thank-you and a Good Kaliady to you too.
drinks

Redykeulous's photo
Mon 12/06/10 09:24 PM


I suppose that's true - seeing as how Christians are offended by NO DISPLAYS of Christian beliefs.


That being pretty general isn't it? I'm a Christian and no I don't have a problem if someone doesn't display Christian beliefs.

I have no problem if someone puts up decorations for the Yule, Hanukkah or whatever.

I have a problem when others try to dictate how a someone should act, believe, etc.

Generalizations aren't very accurate.


Ah - but you showed offence when others suggested the docorations be taken down - didn't you?

no photo
Mon 12/06/10 09:24 PM


Happy Chanukkah!! drinker


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDV_reO930A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSJCSR4MuhU&feature=fvwk

laugh

Redykeulous's photo
Mon 12/06/10 09:26 PM


Wasn't this thread about religious icons? Exactly how do Christmas 'decorations' fit in to religion? Sounds a lot more like a capitalist venture to me.


The OP was about a Christmas tree, to be specific.


Sorry, I stand corrected

So exactly how to evergreen trees, brightly decorated, get associated with one specific religious holiday?

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 12/06/10 09:28 PM



I suppose that's true - seeing as how Christians are offended by NO DISPLAYS of Christian beliefs.


That being pretty general isn't it? I'm a Christian and no I don't have a problem if someone doesn't display Christian beliefs.

I have no problem if someone puts up decorations for the Yule, Hanukkah or whatever.

I have a problem when others try to dictate how a someone should act, believe, etc.

Generalizations aren't very accurate.


Ah - but you showed offence when others suggested the docorations be taken down - didn't you?


If you read my other posts, you would realize I would back any belief.

As I have said, if someone wants to put up any holiday decorations or they decide not to (their choice) then I support it.

What I don't support is others dictating how people should celebrate or not celebrate.

I don't think I showed offense at all. In fact I was joking around and being silly.

I am more concerned with people's rights without being told how to think or feel.