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Topic: Obama backs controversial New York mosque project
Thomas3474's photo
Sat 08/14/10 12:49 AM
No surprise here.I thought there might be a possiblity that Obama would respectfully ask these people to build their mosque in a area not so close to the the WTC site and ask them to respect the will of the people who live there that are uncomfortable with it being built there.But then again a Islamic mosque being built a stones throw from the WTC site,and having a guy who wants Sharia law in America running it is probably reason for Obama to fly down there and cut the ribbon when it is finished.It is right up his alley.

I understand the freedom of religion rights Americans have.But I also understand that Islam and terrorism work together.The person spearheading this mosque want's Sharia law in America.Sharia law oozes radical Islam everywhere it goes.Ignoring a man who want's this mosque built who believes in Sharia law is probably similar to letting someone like David Koresh build a church next to a bomb factory.

Bloomberg and Obama are both welcoming radical Islam into America with open arms.The only thing we will be missing is women walking around in burkas.




Obama backs controversial New York mosque project.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100814/ts_nm/us_obama_mosque_newyork

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama on Friday backed construction of a proposed mosque and Muslim cultural center near the site of the September 11, 2001, attacks in New York -- a project opposed by U.S. conservatives and many New Yorkers.

"As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country," Obama said to applause at an event attended by diplomats from Islamic countries and members of the U.S. Muslim community.

"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," he said, weighing in for the first time in a national debate that has grown increasingly heated in recent weeks.

Earlier this month a New York city agency cleared the way for construction of the community center, which will include a prayer room, two blocks from the site of the September 11 attacks, popularly known as "Ground Zero."

"This is America and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable," said Obama, who has made improving ties between the United States and the Muslim world a cornerstone of his foreign policy.

Obama was speaking during an Iftar dinner he hosted at the White House. Iftar is the evening meal when Muslims break their daily fast during the holy month of Ramadan.

About 2,750 people were killed in the September 11 attacks, when al Qaeda hijackers crashed two passenger planes into the twin towers of the World Trade Center. The attacks deeply traumatized Americans and sparked the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan and the Bush administration's "war on terror."

Many families of those killed in the attacks have mounted an emotional campaign to block the community center, calling it provocative and a betrayal of the memory of the victims.

Conservative politicians such as former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich, a Republican former Speaker of the House of Representatives, also have called for the project to be scrapped.

Mark Williams, a spokesman for the conservative Tea Party political movement, said the center would be used for "terrorists to worship their monkey god."

OBAMA WEIGHS IN

In his remarks on Friday, Obama preached the need for religious tolerance and noted that the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution had established the freedom of religion, "and that right has been upheld ever since."

The president also stressed that al Qaeda was not synonymous with Islam.

"Al Qaeda's cause is not Islam -- it is a gross distortion of Islam," he said. "These are not religious leaders -- these are terrorists who murder innocent men, women and children."

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has firmly supported the community center project as have many religious organizations in the city. However, 53 percent of New Yorkers oppose it, according to a Marist Poll this week.

The Cordoba House community center is the brainchild of Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, who told Reuters in an interview last month that he had modeled it on the Young Men's Christian Association.

Now simply called the Y, YMCA facilities across the United States offer exercise classes, education and community activities.

The city agency's August 3 ruling is expected to clear the way for construction of Cordoba House, which will include a 500-seat auditorium, art exhibition spaces and a swimming pool as part of a 13-story complex.

Since coming into office, Obama, a Democrat, has worked to reach out to Muslims, many of whom felt targeted by the "war on terror" and by the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

In a speech in Cairo in June 2009, Obama called for a "new beginning" in ties between the United States and Muslims, saying extremists had exploited tensions between Muslims and the West and that Islam was not part of the problem.

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/14/10 12:57 AM
more of why people like me support OBama, and others dont


everyone has an opinion, noones opinion will be approved by all

AndyBgood's photo
Sat 08/14/10 01:13 AM

more of why people like me support OBama, and others dont


everyone has an opinion, noones opinion will be approved by all


Again it is a matter of if the choice has good taste or not and Obama is just sucking up for votes.

He also is trying to buy creds with his fellow Islamics. Yeah, he is SO Christian. Yep.

And Bandini Fertilizer isn't made of cow shart!

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/14/10 01:16 AM
I consider myself christian and I agree with his position on this,,,,,

thejec's photo
Sat 08/14/10 01:21 AM
if it was a christian church, there wouldnt even be any news about it. get over it. people have the right to worship any religion.

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/14/10 01:23 AM

if it was a christian church, there wouldnt even be any news about it. get over it. people have the right to worship any religion.



kind of my thoughts as a christian,,,,I wouldnt oppose a church, I shouldnt oppose a mosque

now if it was an al queda training camp, that would be a different story, but muslims are all around the globe and their worship was not the cause of 9/11

Thomas3474's photo
Sat 08/14/10 01:47 AM


if it was a christian church, there wouldnt even be any news about it. get over it. people have the right to worship any religion.



kind of my thoughts as a christian,,,,I wouldnt oppose a church, I shouldnt oppose a mosque

now if it was an al queda training camp, that would be a different story, but muslims are all around the globe and their worship was not the cause of 9/11



Ms Harmony the man who is building this mosque has said many times he wants America to be Sharia law compliant.If you are supporting this mosque you are also supporting the same people who are trying to enslave women around the world to radical Islam.I think people who want Sharia law in America are dangerous and radical.

This person obviously has all the characteristics of someone who would have all the inner workings of a supporter of terrorism.His support for Sharia law,his denial of Hamas as terrorist,him blaming Americans for 9/11.The list goes on and on.

The red flags are going up all over the place concerning this man who wants this mosque built.You obviously don't even have a basic understanding how Islamic terrorism starts.


Obama is equally clueless on what breeds terrorism by saying "al Qaeda was not synonymous with Islam". slaphead Out of all the stupid things I have heard Presidents say in my life this one takes the cake.You can not seperate Al qaeda from Islam.Everything Al qaeda does is in the name of Islam,for Islam,and because Islam tells them to do it.


msharmony's photo
Sat 08/14/10 01:57 AM



if it was a christian church, there wouldnt even be any news about it. get over it. people have the right to worship any religion.



kind of my thoughts as a christian,,,,I wouldnt oppose a church, I shouldnt oppose a mosque

now if it was an al queda training camp, that would be a different story, but muslims are all around the globe and their worship was not the cause of 9/11

Ms Harmony the man who is building this mosque has said many times he wants America to be Sharia law compliant.If you are supporting this mosque you are also supporting the same people who are trying to enslave women around the world to radical Islam.I think people who want Sharia law in America are dangerous and radical.

This person obviously has all the characteristics of someone who would have all the inner workings of a supporter of terrorism.His support for Sharia law,his denial of Hamas as terrorist,him blaming Americans for 9/11.The list goes on and on.

The red flags are going up all over the place concerning this man who wants this mosque built.You obviously don't even have a basic understanding how Islamic terrorism starts.


Obama is equally clueless on what breeds terrorism by saying "al Qaeda was not synonymous with Islam". slaphead Out of all the stupid things I have heard Presidents say in my life this one takes the cake.You can not seperate Al qaeda from Islam.Everything Al qaeda does is in the name of Islam,for Islam,and because Islam tells them to do it.






and the devil was responsible for son of sam too,,,

terrorists have their reasons and motivations,

I hear pretty terrorist type talk in these threads daily, the difference is terrorists are insane enough to follow through and not just talk

I dont care for people laying responsibility for abortionist murderers or homosexual assaults on the bible and I feel this is much the same thing when people laying responsibility for the choices individuals make squarely and exclusively on the back of their interpretation of their religious book of choice


Thomas3474's photo
Sat 08/14/10 02:05 AM


if it was a christian church, there wouldnt even be any news about it. get over it. people have the right to worship any religion.



kind of my thoughts as a christian,,,,I wouldnt oppose a church, I shouldnt oppose a mosque

now if it was an al queda training camp, that would be a different story, but muslims are all around the globe and their worship was not the cause of 9/11



It isn't Christians who are out bombing people into a puddle of blood and guts on a daily basis all over the World.It isn't Christians who are building nuclear weapons saying that countries need to be blown off the face of the earth because they don't like them.It isn't Christians who are threatening to kill as many people as they can any way they can.It isn't Christians saying they are want American and Israel destroyed because of what their bible says.Nobody would care if a Christian church is built because it's not going to be used to tell it's followers that America is bad and needs to be destroyed.


I think the entire would could be on fire due to the Muslims and their holy war and you would be more worried about how someone killed a abortion doctor 10 years ago.




msharmony's photo
Sat 08/14/10 02:13 AM



if it was a christian church, there wouldnt even be any news about it. get over it. people have the right to worship any religion.



kind of my thoughts as a christian,,,,I wouldnt oppose a church, I shouldnt oppose a mosque

now if it was an al queda training camp, that would be a different story, but muslims are all around the globe and their worship was not the cause of 9/11



It isn't Christians who are out bombing people into a puddle of blood and guts on a daily basis all over the World.It isn't Christians who are building nuclear weapons saying that countries need to be blown off the face of the earth because they don't like them.It isn't Christians who are threatening to kill as many people as they can any way they can.It isn't Christians saying they are want American and Israel destroyed because of what their bible says.Nobody would care if a Christian church is built because it's not going to be used to tell it's followers that America is bad and needs to be destroyed.


I think the entire would could be on fire due to the Muslims and their holy war and you would be more worried about how someone killed a abortion doctor 10 years ago.





not really, IM just concerned with not becoming judgmental and unjust as the 'enemy' we claim to have such a distaste for

AMerican government has done its share of dirt, and americans do their dirt against americans everyday, those are universal problems(death, destruction, greed, narcissism, violence)

I think it adds to the problem and is more giving in to it to become hateful or ignorant or violent or unjust, in order to fight those we claim are hateful or ignorant or violent or unjust

show me where THIS group or THIS man has blown anyone up or harmed anyone, and I may have more concern, but Im not concerned that others who profess to be of the same religion do awful things

has nothing to do with having valid reason to condemn THIS person or THIS idea,,,

Thomas3474's photo
Sat 08/14/10 02:19 AM




if it was a christian church, there wouldnt even be any news about it. get over it. people have the right to worship any religion.



kind of my thoughts as a christian,,,,I wouldnt oppose a church, I shouldnt oppose a mosque

now if it was an al queda training camp, that would be a different story, but muslims are all around the globe and their worship was not the cause of 9/11

Ms Harmony the man who is building this mosque has said many times he wants America to be Sharia law compliant.If you are supporting this mosque you are also supporting the same people who are trying to enslave women around the world to radical Islam.I think people who want Sharia law in America are dangerous and radical.

This person obviously has all the characteristics of someone who would have all the inner workings of a supporter of terrorism.His support for Sharia law,his denial of Hamas as terrorist,him blaming Americans for 9/11.The list goes on and on.

The red flags are going up all over the place concerning this man who wants this mosque built.You obviously don't even have a basic understanding how Islamic terrorism starts.


Obama is equally clueless on what breeds terrorism by saying "al Qaeda was not synonymous with Islam". slaphead Out of all the stupid things I have heard Presidents say in my life this one takes the cake.You can not seperate Al qaeda from Islam.Everything Al qaeda does is in the name of Islam,for Islam,and because Islam tells them to do it.






and the devil was responsible for son of sam too,,,

terrorists have their reasons and motivations,

I hear pretty terrorist type talk in these threads daily, the difference is terrorists are insane enough to follow through and not just talk

I dont care for people laying responsibility for abortionist murderers or homosexual assaults on the bible and I feel this is much the same thing when people laying responsibility for the choices individuals make squarely and exclusively on the back of their interpretation of their religious book of choice






Good greif slaphead Do you not understand the basic concept of someone doing something because they are crazy and saying God told them to do it and the concept of someone reading their bible and killing innocent people because their religion and bible says it is justified and glorified?The Christian Holy bible says not to kill.To love and to pray for your enemy.A person killing in the name of Christianity is not doing a single justifiable,right,or moral action related to Christianty.So it's stupid to blame Christianity for someone killing somebody as their is no justification for it using the bible as a excuse as the bible specifically commands you not to kill.

One day I think you will get it.The religion of Islam preaches death to the infidels.It glorifies and justifies suicide bombings and killings.It teaches death to those who leave Islam and death to those who insult Islam.It rewards mass killings with 72 virgins.It says Jewish people and Christians must be killed.

You can deny it all you want.Maybe you should just crack open a Islamic Koran and read it from start to finish.Every muslim reads the same copy as the terrorist do.One is just doing what the Koran commands and the other is not.







Thomas3474's photo
Sat 08/14/10 02:27 AM




if it was a christian church, there wouldnt even be any news about it. get over it. people have the right to worship any religion.



kind of my thoughts as a christian,,,,I wouldnt oppose a church, I shouldnt oppose a mosque

now if it was an al queda training camp, that would be a different story, but muslims are all around the globe and their worship was not the cause of 9/11



It isn't Christians who are out bombing people into a puddle of blood and guts on a daily basis all over the World.It isn't Christians who are building nuclear weapons saying that countries need to be blown off the face of the earth because they don't like them.It isn't Christians who are threatening to kill as many people as they can any way they can.It isn't Christians saying they are want American and Israel destroyed because of what their bible says.Nobody would care if a Christian church is built because it's not going to be used to tell it's followers that America is bad and needs to be destroyed.


I think the entire would could be on fire due to the Muslims and their holy war and you would be more worried about how someone killed a abortion doctor 10 years ago.





not really, IM just concerned with not becoming judgmental and unjust as the 'enemy' we claim to have such a distaste for

AMerican government has done its share of dirt, and americans do their dirt against americans everyday, those are universal problems(death, destruction, greed, narcissism, violence)

I think it adds to the problem and is more giving in to it to become hateful or ignorant or violent or unjust, in order to fight those we claim are hateful or ignorant or violent or unjust

show me where THIS group or THIS man has blown anyone up or harmed anyone, and I may have more concern, but Im not concerned that others who profess to be of the same religion do awful things

has nothing to do with having valid reason to condemn THIS person or THIS idea,,,



What does being judgmental have to do with anything?The man is standing in front of a camera saying these things.Are you saying you believe Sharia law is a good thing?Are you saying people that support Sharia law are good people?


I am floored by what you are telling me.I honestly think you need to do some research into former Islamic terrorist and listen to what they were saying shortly before they went on a killing spree.Everyone of them would deny that Hamas was a terrorist origination,in favor of Sharia law,and blame America for 9/11.






yellowrose10's photo
Sat 08/14/10 03:52 AM
hey guys,

Please remember to keep the debate civil and no personal attacks.

Kim

oldsage's photo
Sat 08/14/10 04:08 AM
Religious freedom ....YES

Respect for those that died when this country was attacked....YES

Both can be accomplished.

Build somewhere else.

OPINION

TJN's photo
Sat 08/14/10 04:18 AM
Edited by TJN on Sat 08/14/10 04:18 AM
I would expect nothing less from this president. He waits to see what the majority of Americans want then does the opposite.

TJN's photo
Sat 08/14/10 04:45 AM
We need to think to the future. With all the controversy goiv on with the building of this could it not be inciting more voilence? What happens when some lunatic years from now decides to blow up the mosk? Who gets blamed then? America will be blamed and there will be more hatred towards us. I'm not condoning violece against anyone but this to me seems to be aski g for it.

Lpdon's photo
Sat 08/14/10 05:21 AM

No surprise here.I thought there might be a possiblity that Obama would respectfully ask these people to build their mosque in a area not so close to the the WTC site and ask them to respect the will of the people who live there that are uncomfortable with it being built there.But then again a Islamic mosque being built a stones throw from the WTC site,and having a guy who wants Sharia law in America running it is probably reason for Obama to fly down there and cut the ribbon when it is finished.It is right up his alley.

I understand the freedom of religion rights Americans have.But I also understand that Islam and terrorism work together.The person spearheading this mosque want's Sharia law in America.Sharia law oozes radical Islam everywhere it goes.Ignoring a man who want's this mosque built who believes in Sharia law is probably similar to letting someone like David Koresh build a church next to a bomb factory.

Bloomberg and Obama are both welcoming radical Islam into America with open arms.The only thing we will be missing is women walking around in burkas.




Obama backs controversial New York mosque project.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100814/ts_nm/us_obama_mosque_newyork

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama on Friday backed construction of a proposed mosque and Muslim cultural center near the site of the September 11, 2001, attacks in New York -- a project opposed by U.S. conservatives and many New Yorkers.

"As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country," Obama said to applause at an event attended by diplomats from Islamic countries and members of the U.S. Muslim community.

"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," he said, weighing in for the first time in a national debate that has grown increasingly heated in recent weeks.

Earlier this month a New York city agency cleared the way for construction of the community center, which will include a prayer room, two blocks from the site of the September 11 attacks, popularly known as "Ground Zero."

"This is America and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable," said Obama, who has made improving ties between the United States and the Muslim world a cornerstone of his foreign policy.

Obama was speaking during an Iftar dinner he hosted at the White House. Iftar is the evening meal when Muslims break their daily fast during the holy month of Ramadan.

About 2,750 people were killed in the September 11 attacks, when al Qaeda hijackers crashed two passenger planes into the twin towers of the World Trade Center. The attacks deeply traumatized Americans and sparked the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan and the Bush administration's "war on terror."

Many families of those killed in the attacks have mounted an emotional campaign to block the community center, calling it provocative and a betrayal of the memory of the victims.

Conservative politicians such as former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich, a Republican former Speaker of the House of Representatives, also have called for the project to be scrapped.

Mark Williams, a spokesman for the conservative Tea Party political movement, said the center would be used for "terrorists to worship their monkey god."

OBAMA WEIGHS IN

In his remarks on Friday, Obama preached the need for religious tolerance and noted that the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution had established the freedom of religion, "and that right has been upheld ever since."

The president also stressed that al Qaeda was not synonymous with Islam.

"Al Qaeda's cause is not Islam -- it is a gross distortion of Islam," he said. "These are not religious leaders -- these are terrorists who murder innocent men, women and children."

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has firmly supported the community center project as have many religious organizations in the city. However, 53 percent of New Yorkers oppose it, according to a Marist Poll this week.

The Cordoba House community center is the brainchild of Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, who told Reuters in an interview last month that he had modeled it on the Young Men's Christian Association.

Now simply called the Y, YMCA facilities across the United States offer exercise classes, education and community activities.

The city agency's August 3 ruling is expected to clear the way for construction of Cordoba House, which will include a 500-seat auditorium, art exhibition spaces and a swimming pool as part of a 13-story complex.

Since coming into office, Obama, a Democrat, has worked to reach out to Muslims, many of whom felt targeted by the "war on terror" and by the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

In a speech in Cairo in June 2009, Obama called for a "new beginning" in ties between the United States and Muslims, saying extremists had exploited tensions between Muslims and the West and that Islam was not part of the problem.



This surprises you? Next he will be supporting a memorial dedicated to the "freedom fighters" that hijacked the planes on September 11th.

boredinaz06's photo
Sat 08/14/10 06:12 AM



Down with Islam...and every other organized religion for that matter, but especially Islam.

Ted14621's photo
Sat 08/14/10 06:19 AM
Does this mean that we can't build Christian Churches in Oklahoma?
The Oklahoma City bombing was a bomb attack on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995 by Timothy McVeigh. Oh darn those Americans!

willing2's photo
Sat 08/14/10 06:39 AM
Not surprised to see a fellow Muslim supporting other radical Muslims.

He'll shield radicals, illegals and put Americans at risk.

What a guy!slaphead

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