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Religious freedom ....YES Respect for those that died when this country was attacked....YES Both can be accomplished. Build somewhere else. OPINION |
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if it was a christian church, there wouldnt even be any news about it. get over it. people have the right to worship any religion. kind of my thoughts as a christian,,,,I wouldnt oppose a church, I shouldnt oppose a mosque now if it was an al queda training camp, that would be a different story, but muslims are all around the globe and their worship was not the cause of 9/11 It isn't Christians who are out bombing people into a puddle of blood and guts on a daily basis all over the World.It isn't Christians who are building nuclear weapons saying that countries need to be blown off the face of the earth because they don't like them.It isn't Christians who are threatening to kill as many people as they can any way they can.It isn't Christians saying they are want American and Israel destroyed because of what their bible says.Nobody would care if a Christian church is built because it's not going to be used to tell it's followers that America is bad and needs to be destroyed. I think the entire would could be on fire due to the Muslims and their holy war and you would be more worried about how someone killed a abortion doctor 10 years ago. not really, IM just concerned with not becoming judgmental and unjust as the 'enemy' we claim to have such a distaste for AMerican government has done its share of dirt, and americans do their dirt against americans everyday, those are universal problems(death, destruction, greed, narcissism, violence) I think it adds to the problem and is more giving in to it to become hateful or ignorant or violent or unjust, in order to fight those we claim are hateful or ignorant or violent or unjust show me where THIS group or THIS man has blown anyone up or harmed anyone, and I may have more concern, but Im not concerned that others who profess to be of the same religion do awful things has nothing to do with having valid reason to condemn THIS person or THIS idea,,, What does being judgmental have to do with anything?The man is standing in front of a camera saying these things.Are you saying you believe Sharia law is a good thing?Are you saying people that support Sharia law are good people? I am floored by what you are telling me.I honestly think you need to do some research into former Islamic terrorist and listen to what they were saying shortly before they went on a killing spree.Everyone of them would deny that Hamas was a terrorist origination,in favor of Sharia law,and blame America for 9/11. I cant find a link of video of him saying anything offensive, if you have it to offer, Id be more than willing to watch it |
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What does being judgmental have to do with anything?The man is standing in front of a camera saying these things.Are you saying you believe Sharia law is a good thing?Are you saying people that support Sharia law are good people? I am floored by what you are telling me.I honestly think you need to do some research into former Islamic terrorist and listen to what they were saying shortly before they went on a killing spree.Everyone of them would deny that Hamas was a terrorist origination,in favor of Sharia law,and blame America for 9/11. If we had Sharia Law, there would be no opinionated women on chat boards. Unless, they really enjoyed lashes with the strop. |
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He ignores national prayer day, could care less about Christmas. Won't pick a christian church to attend. But he will bow to Islamic leaders, observe Islamic traditions. Ok someone remind me again the he claims to be a Christian. I call BS on that. Tell the truth Mr president.
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if it was a christian church, there wouldnt even be any news about it. get over it. people have the right to worship any religion. Out of all of the replies i had to reply to this one. Do you think there are many christian or catholic churches in the middle east? What freedoms do they have here that we do not have there when we visit? How did we become unsafe on our own continent? I have been there my friend and let me tell you...we would have to take every last one of them before a christian building was ever built on their lands. They went out of their way to attack us, unnecessary risks on their part really but they are that determined to kill us. If you could name me a single event in our human history where a Muslim or Islamic community built a christian church at a site in which us Christians bombed/drove planes in to....I'd call you a better man than me. Picture this if you will. 10 caucasian males high jack two planes and drive them in to their 2 tallest buildings...killing thousands...what do you suppose their reply would be? Everybody here should be very aware that our responses are one quarter of what theirs would be...at best.. I am not opposed to a mosque being built, im opposed to the location in which the mosque will be built. I have Muslim/Islamic friends who themselves say that's a no no.I don't expect you to understand these things from a military view, however i just believe that you cant afford to be that obtuse. You need to try and see the bigger picture here. The families who lost loved ones on that day...must feel like a memorial of terror is being built where their loved one(s) passed. And the Americans are allowing it. |
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Religious freedom ....YES Respect for those that died when this country was attacked....YES Both can be accomplished. Build somewhere else. OPINION |
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Does this mean that we can't build Christian Churches in Oklahoma? The Oklahoma City bombing was a bomb attack on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995 by Timothy McVeigh. Oh darn those Americans! It's a good thing you didn't make reference to 'John Doe Nr 2' - remember, he was described as 'swarthy' ... and we all know what that means ... |
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Islam is a religion of intolerance no matter how you play words about it. And most of the people here professing religious freedom have never been there. I have no myself I will admit but that does not mean I don't ask questions of people who were there like many of my friends who did serve in Iraq and Afghanistan.
So many of these people supporting Islamic freedoms have no clue what they are protecting. Islam = Nuclear waste. The more of it you accumulate the more dangerous it is until you get enough of it and it explodes in your face. Unfortunately there are a lot of Shart Heads who think they are so educated and so learned over us other educated people because we don't lend credence to their worldly Henry David Thoreau views of life. Like I have asked of those who support Islam's right to exist I ask them this and like so many political threads non of them will answer this one question... Can you as a woman live By Shiahira Law and can you accept your husband having the right and privilege to beat you as he sees fit? The Fuquers offer instructional training videos on how to properly beat your wife according to Shiahira Law! At least men don't have to get beaten unless they are non-Islamics. Some of these shart heads need to learn more about what they are defending. This is EXACTLY the same thing as defending a known serial killer's innocence after they slaughtered a whole bunch of people with the defense "they are misunderstood." PURE AND UTTER BS! FUQUE OBAMA! HE IS A SELL-OUT! |
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A mistake. Divisive in the U.S. and against majority opinion here.
Makes him look like the political newbie he is. Pandering to Islamic countries. Yuck. |
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the messiah always thinks he knows best for his flock.
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the messiah always thinks he knows best for his flock. His cling-ons still believe in him and are still hanging on. |
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here is some quotes from obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auwe-aGF4Lo&feature=related (this one he accidentally admits his muslim faith) |
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if it was a christian church, there wouldnt even be any news about it. get over it. people have the right to worship any religion. kind of my thoughts as a christian,,,,I wouldnt oppose a church, I shouldnt oppose a mosque now if it was an al queda training camp, that would be a different story, but muslims are all around the globe and their worship was not the cause of 9/11 It isn't Christians who are out bombing people into a puddle of blood and guts on a daily basis all over the World.It isn't Christians who are building nuclear weapons saying that countries need to be blown off the face of the earth because they don't like them.It isn't Christians who are threatening to kill as many people as they can any way they can.It isn't Christians saying they are want American and Israel destroyed because of what their bible says.Nobody would care if a Christian church is built because it's not going to be used to tell it's followers that America is bad and needs to be destroyed. I think the entire would could be on fire due to the Muslims and their holy war and you would be more worried about how someone killed a abortion doctor 10 years ago. not really, IM just concerned with not becoming judgmental and unjust as the 'enemy' we claim to have such a distaste for AMerican government has done its share of dirt, and americans do their dirt against americans everyday, those are universal problems(death, destruction, greed, narcissism, violence) I think it adds to the problem and is more giving in to it to become hateful or ignorant or violent or unjust, in order to fight those we claim are hateful or ignorant or violent or unjust show me where THIS group or THIS man has blown anyone up or harmed anyone, and I may have more concern, but Im not concerned that others who profess to be of the same religion do awful things has nothing to do with having valid reason to condemn THIS person or THIS idea,,, What does being judgmental have to do with anything?The man is standing in front of a camera saying these things.Are you saying you believe Sharia law is a good thing?Are you saying people that support Sharia law are good people? I am floored by what you are telling me.I honestly think you need to do some research into former Islamic terrorist and listen to what they were saying shortly before they went on a killing spree.Everyone of them would deny that Hamas was a terrorist origination,in favor of Sharia law,and blame America for 9/11. I cant find a link of video of him saying anything offensive, if you have it to offer, Id be more than willing to watch it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-s5cMlfw5w http://www.huffingtonpost.com/imam-feisal-abdul-rauf/what-shariah-law-is-all-a_b_190825.html Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf talking about his support for Sharia law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feisal_Abdul_Rauf During an interview on New York WABC radio in June 2010, Abdul Rauf declined to say whether he agreed with the U.S. State Department's designation of Hamas as a terrorist organization. Responding to the question, Rauf said, "I'm not a politician. I try to avoid the issues. The issue of terrorism is a very complex question... I am a peace builder. I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary or as an enemy."Sarah Palin and Rick Lazio criticized his refusal to agree with the assessment of the United States that Hamas is a terrorist organization, and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Abdul Rauf had supported radical causes that sympathized with Islamic terrorism Columnist Jonathan Rauch wrote that Abdul Rauf gave a "mixed, muddled, muttered" message after 9/11.[13] Nineteen days after the attacks, he told CBS’s 60 Minutes that fanaticism and terrorism have no place in Islam. Rauch said that the message was mixed, however, because when then asked if the U.S. deserved the attacks, Rauf answered: "I wouldn’t say that the United States deserved what happened. But the United States’ policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."[14][15][3] Rauch observed: "Note the verb. The crime "happened"?"[ When the interviewer asked Rauf how he considered the U.S. an accessory, he replied, "Because we have been accessory to a lot of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA." At National Review, Dan Foster wrote: "When you say that the United States was “an accessory to the crime” of 9/11, as he did, it tends to blunt my ability to pick up the subtleties of what comes after. That interview was equivocal at every turn, and when moral equivalences are trotted out re: 9/11, the tie goes to “your either with us, or with the terrorists.” In other words, we are perfectly entitled to suspect that the “accessories to the crime” bit represents the investment, while the “condemning terrorism” bit is merely the hedge.[18] The editors of the magazine wrote "While he cannot quite bring himself to blame the terrorists for being terrorists, he finds it easy to blame the United States for being a victim of terrorism."[19] |
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if it was a christian church, there wouldnt even be any news about it. get over it. people have the right to worship any religion. kind of my thoughts as a christian,,,,I wouldnt oppose a church, I shouldnt oppose a mosque now if it was an al queda training camp, that would be a different story, but muslims are all around the globe and their worship was not the cause of 9/11 It isn't Christians who are out bombing people into a puddle of blood and guts on a daily basis all over the World.It isn't Christians who are building nuclear weapons saying that countries need to be blown off the face of the earth because they don't like them.It isn't Christians who are threatening to kill as many people as they can any way they can.It isn't Christians saying they are want American and Israel destroyed because of what their bible says.Nobody would care if a Christian church is built because it's not going to be used to tell it's followers that America is bad and needs to be destroyed. I think the entire would could be on fire due to the Muslims and their holy war and you would be more worried about how someone killed a abortion doctor 10 years ago. not really, IM just concerned with not becoming judgmental and unjust as the 'enemy' we claim to have such a distaste for AMerican government has done its share of dirt, and americans do their dirt against americans everyday, those are universal problems(death, destruction, greed, narcissism, violence) I think it adds to the problem and is more giving in to it to become hateful or ignorant or violent or unjust, in order to fight those we claim are hateful or ignorant or violent or unjust show me where THIS group or THIS man has blown anyone up or harmed anyone, and I may have more concern, but Im not concerned that others who profess to be of the same religion do awful things has nothing to do with having valid reason to condemn THIS person or THIS idea,,, What does being judgmental have to do with anything?The man is standing in front of a camera saying these things.Are you saying you believe Sharia law is a good thing?Are you saying people that support Sharia law are good people? I am floored by what you are telling me.I honestly think you need to do some research into former Islamic terrorist and listen to what they were saying shortly before they went on a killing spree.Everyone of them would deny that Hamas was a terrorist origination,in favor of Sharia law,and blame America for 9/11. I cant find a link of video of him saying anything offensive, if you have it to offer, Id be more than willing to watch it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-s5cMlfw5w http://www.huffingtonpost.com/imam-feisal-abdul-rauf/what-shariah-law-is-all-a_b_190825.html Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf talking about his support for Sharia law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feisal_Abdul_Rauf During an interview on New York WABC radio in June 2010, Abdul Rauf declined to say whether he agreed with the U.S. State Department's designation of Hamas as a terrorist organization. Responding to the question, Rauf said, "I'm not a politician. I try to avoid the issues. The issue of terrorism is a very complex question... I am a peace builder. I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary or as an enemy."Sarah Palin and Rick Lazio criticized his refusal to agree with the assessment of the United States that Hamas is a terrorist organization, and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Abdul Rauf had supported radical causes that sympathized with Islamic terrorism Columnist Jonathan Rauch wrote that Abdul Rauf gave a "mixed, muddled, muttered" message after 9/11.[13] Nineteen days after the attacks, he told CBS’s 60 Minutes that fanaticism and terrorism have no place in Islam. Rauch said that the message was mixed, however, because when then asked if the U.S. deserved the attacks, Rauf answered: "I wouldn’t say that the United States deserved what happened. But the United States’ policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."[14][15][3] Rauch observed: "Note the verb. The crime "happened"?"[ When the interviewer asked Rauf how he considered the U.S. an accessory, he replied, "Because we have been accessory to a lot of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA." At National Review, Dan Foster wrote: "When you say that the United States was “an accessory to the crime” of 9/11, as he did, it tends to blunt my ability to pick up the subtleties of what comes after. That interview was equivocal at every turn, and when moral equivalences are trotted out re: 9/11, the tie goes to “your either with us, or with the terrorists.” In other words, we are perfectly entitled to suspect that the “accessories to the crime” bit represents the investment, while the “condemning terrorism” bit is merely the hedge.[18] The editors of the magazine wrote "While he cannot quite bring himself to blame the terrorists for being terrorists, he finds it easy to blame the United States for being a victim of terrorism."[19] And this goes with the Middle East culture and mentality. The middle East does not think like us. We have not been in Constant Tribal warfare over thousands of years! None of us main-landers know what life during war is like. Can any of you picture what it must have been like to have been caught in the Hamburg Firebombing of WWII where day and night raids for three days left the entire city of Hamburg Germany COMPLETELY burned to the ground? Could any of you out there imagine the terror and desperation of those trying to flee the city as it happened? How about when we did the same thing to Tokyo Japan during WWII when a week of 24/7 hourly B-29 bombing raids with incendiary bombs wiped Tokyo off of the map? Yeah Hiroshima and Nagasaki got nuked but blanket firebombing is a slow horrible way to inflict terror. Imagine being that poor French bastard or Czechoslovakian unfortunate enough to be caught between the allies as tanks had it out in your city? You could be blocks away from the fighting and suddenly a 75mm Cannon Shell just landed in your living room killing off your entire family. Imagine being the person living next door to that. Seeing your friends and neighbors die like that. Imagine not knowing if you would be next or worst be fleeing the city as planes were dropping flaming death from over head. In their world revenge is everything! Tribal warfare is nothing like warfare as we understand it. On top of that the battle we face is not like WWII where you could clearly draw a line and know the people on the other side of the line is your enemy. These days the enemy does not honor borders. The enemy does not honor rules of engagement or the Geneva Convention. They play on the minds of the poor and desperate looking for guidance and the USA Has done a terrible job countering it becasue the aid they offer is not tailored to properly help with the people or honor their mindset. I could care less if the man I am facing is four feet tall or nine feet tall. A warrior is a warrior and in their culture they are all warriors. Many children are armed to protect the family and in some cases many have killed someone before they are 14 years old. The people of Afghanistan are TOUGH as nails and WE look down on them like they are poor uneducated and down trodden. These things do not matter to a warrior. A warrior will fight to see another day knowing the day they stop fighting is the day they die. We are too hung up on our values as a "Civilized people" to see they have their own rules to operate by and a wholly different set of standards. Instead of culturing them we try to impose on them our values. We want instant gratification where there will be none. That is what is so terrifying about the Chinese. They will set a plan in motion that may take a hundred years but they plan ahead and are patient! America expects everything NOW NOW NOW! There are two problems with the Middle East. One is their leadership and a lot of the population is duplicitous! The next is that until the cycle of tribal warfare can be broken they will just keep fighting! Pretty words on pieces of paper do not maintain peace there. They break agreements with clockwork regularity. Then there is the next part of the problem. Pakistan. Those MFs have been playing both sides of the fence on us this whole time. "Enemy of our enemy," so to speak... They have allowed the Taliban to operate in their country and so has Iran. Worst is Obama has no clue how to get us out of the mess we are in and has no clue how to deal with it. Our commander and chief is a loud mouthed squa pretending to be a man. (I hope any Native Americans (COUGH COUGH, I was born here too) appreciate the humor of this statement). Obama has no clue how to really make a fight end fast without using nukes. God if I was sitting in his seat right now I would do a lot of things differently and let my commanders order the men to dip their bullets in pig's blood ceremoniously before going out on the field to inflict love on those bastards! I would have never offered TARP or any of that crap either but that is stuff for another thread. The whole situation is a effing mess and we are doing everything wrong to end it. We (our government) are propagating it to insure job security for our "elected leaders" and many others. Why do we have TSA and Homeland (IN)Security? It was job creation in the name of fear. I am so blown away that people cannot conceptualize the difference between the losses of the war on terror vs. the losses of a real war like WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. Some of the posts I see just make me want to go ! So many people think they are so illuminated when they really know nothing about what they are talking about! What is even sicker is that the Military industrial Complex needs us to be in some conflagration all the time to keep them in money. This whole thing is a huge SUCKER PLAY and we ARE the suckers. There is more to this who war than we are seeing and why? IT IS PROFITABLE TO SOMEONE!!!! NOW I HAVE SAID ENOUGH! |
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And this goes with the Middle East culture and mentality. The middle East does not think like us. We have not been in Constant Tribal warfare over thousands of years! None of us main-landers know what life during war is like. Can any of you picture what it must have been like to have been caught in the Hamburg Firebombing of WWII where day and night raids for three days left the entire city of Hamburg Germany COMPLETELY burned to the ground? Could any of you out there imagine the terror and desperation of those trying to flee the city as it happened? How about when we did the same thing to Tokyo Japan during WWII when a week of 24/7 hourly B-29 bombing raids with incendiary bombs wiped Tokyo off of the map? Yeah Hiroshima and Nagasaki got nuked but blanket firebombing is a slow horrible way to inflict terror. Imagine being that poor French bastard or Czechoslovakian unfortunate enough to be caught between the allies as tanks had it out in your city? You could be blocks away from the fighting and suddenly a 75mm Cannon Shell just landed in your living room killing off your entire family. Imagine being the person living next door to that. Seeing your friends and neighbors die like that. Imagine not knowing if you would be next or worst be fleeing the city as planes were dropping flaming death from over head. In their world revenge is everything! Tribal warfare is nothing like warfare as we understand it. On top of that the battle we face is not like WWII where you could clearly draw a line and know the people on the other side of the line is your enemy. These days the enemy does not honor borders. The enemy does not honor rules of engagement or the Geneva Convention. They play on the minds of the poor and desperate looking for guidance and the USA Has done a terrible job countering it becasue the aid they offer is not tailored to properly help with the people or honor their mindset. I could care less if the man I am facing is four feet tall or nine feet tall. A warrior is a warrior and in their culture they are all warriors. Many children are armed to protect the family and in some cases many have killed someone before they are 14 years old. The people of Afghanistan are TOUGH as nails and WE look down on them like they are poor uneducated and down trodden. These things do not matter to a warrior. A warrior will fight to see another day knowing the day they stop fighting is the day they die. We are too hung up on our values as a "Civilized people" to see they have their own rules to operate by and a wholly different set of standards. Instead of culturing them we try to impose on them our values. We want instant gratification where there will be none. That is what is so terrifying about the Chinese. They will set a plan in motion that may take a hundred years but they plan ahead and are patient! America expects everything NOW NOW NOW! There are two problems with the Middle East. One is their leadership and a lot of the population is duplicitous! The next is that until the cycle of tribal warfare can be broken they will just keep fighting! Pretty words on pieces of paper do not maintain peace there. They break agreements with clockwork regularity. Then there is the next part of the problem. Pakistan. Those MFs have been playing both sides of the fence on us this whole time. "Enemy of our enemy," so to speak... They have allowed the Taliban to operate in their country and so has Iran. Worst is Obama has no clue how to get us out of the mess we are in and has no clue how to deal with it. Our commander and chief is a loud mouthed squa pretending to be a man. (I hope any Native Americans (COUGH COUGH, I was born here too) appreciate the humor of this statement). Obama has no clue how to really make a fight end fast without using nukes. God if I was sitting in his seat right now I would do a lot of things differently and let my commanders order the men to dip their bullets in pig's blood ceremoniously before going out on the field to inflict love on those bastards! I would have never offered TARP or any of that crap either but that is stuff for another thread. The whole situation is a effing mess and we are doing everything wrong to end it. We (our government) are propagating it to insure job security for our "elected leaders" and many others. Why do we have TSA and Homeland (IN)Security? It was job creation in the name of fear. I am so blown away that people cannot conceptualize the difference between the losses of the war on terror vs. the losses of a real war like WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. Some of the posts I see just make me want to go ! So many people think they are so illuminated when they really know nothing about what they are talking about! What is even sicker is that the Military industrial Complex needs us to be in some conflagration all the time to keep them in money. This whole thing is a huge SUCKER PLAY and we ARE the suckers. There is more to this who war than we are seeing and why? IT IS PROFITABLE TO SOMEONE!!!! NOW I HAVE SAID ENOUGH! |
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from the first link
according to THEIR words and not the pundits paraphrases he wont say if hamas is a terrorist organization he believes america created osama and instigated the reaction of 9/11 bloomberg doesnt believe peoples beliefs have anything to do with their right to build gingrich confuses not being able to build and not requesting to build ...so far nothing that offends me from the second link he believes sharia law is not understood and wants people to understand its 'Some aspects of this penal code and its laws pertaining to women flow out of the cultural context. The religious imperative is about justice and fairness. If you strive for justice and fairness in the penal code, then you are in keeping with moral imperative of the Shariah.' he wants to ' encourage Muslim countries to make the changes that achieve the essence of fairness and justice that are at the root of Islam.' ..still nothing that offends me and the third link he refuses to be put in an us vs them position and states that 9/11 was crime and that we have some responsibility in it and in the creation of OSama Bin Laden ...also nothing that offends me and collectively, nothing that has any bearing on his right to build where he can afford to build |
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What does being judgmental have to do with anything?The man is standing in front of a camera saying these things.Are you saying you believe Sharia law is a good thing?Are you saying people that support Sharia law are good people? I am floored by what you are telling me.I honestly think you need to do some research into former Islamic terrorist and listen to what they were saying shortly before they went on a killing spree.Everyone of them would deny that Hamas was a terrorist origination,in favor of Sharia law,and blame America for 9/11. If we had Sharia Law, there would be no opinionated women on chat boards. Unless, they really enjoyed lashes with the strop. AND if we lived under Shria Law we would finally have an answer to the age old question, "Is Hillary a man or woman?" |
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Regardless to all the naysayers, we should have the mosque and center built right by ground zero.
It shows that America is the land of the free and religious freedom is one of those freedoms. Also it shows that Americans are not holding Islam falsely responsible for 9/11. Terrorists are the reason that happened not Islam. |
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If he is Christian as he claims then why did he skip the national day of prayer?
But yet he will have a White house dinner for Ramadan. President Obama Celebrates Ramadan at White House Iftar Dinner http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/08/14/president-obama-celebrates-ramadan-white-house-iftar-dinner Islam is not just a religion, it is also a political doctrine so freedom of religion should be thrown out the window! |
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I would love to see all religions gone myself. They are nothing but trouble to me but I believe that freedom of religion is in our constitution.
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