Topic: see i have an issue
mightymoe's photo
Tue 08/10/10 09:37 PM




The answer to the question is irrelevant 'cuz there's no 'heaven' and no 'hell' - those are man-made constructs designed to achieve behavioral control of the masses by promising them a 'reward' in an 'afterlife' for having lived a 'good and proper' life here ... in short, it's no different from a life insurance policy where y' have to lose in order to 'win' ...


that about sums it up. :thumbsup:
you have a pretty picture going on there ruth.. nice to see you again!

flowerforyou flowerforyou


Thank you! flowerforyou

my pleasure.. sorry to interrupt your post...

Ruth34611's photo
Tue 08/10/10 09:40 PM


my pleasure.. sorry to interrupt your post...


No interruption. :wink: I shouldn't be posting in this thread right before bed anyway. I'll get too riled up. laugh

Good seeing you, g'nite. waving flowerforyou

Ruth34611's photo
Tue 08/10/10 09:43 PM


Not really, the bible prophesied of such long before this happened.


Well, I can't argue with that. You're right. It does say that in the Bible.

If only there really was one book that we could get all the answers from and know it was the truth. Then we wouldn't ever have to think for ourselves. :tongue:


CowboyGH's photo
Tue 08/10/10 09:48 PM



Not really, the bible prophesied of such long before this happened.


Well, I can't argue with that. You're right. It does say that in the Bible.

If only there really was one book that we could get all the answers from and know it was the truth. Then we wouldn't ever have to think for ourselves. :tongue:




Yes very true, but then what would be the point? We are to spend our entire life searching out the truth and learning what is true and what isn't. That wouldn't be much of a life if there was a book to give absolute truths on anything, nor would there be any need of faith.

Faith is the largest form of love. You have faith in your spouse, would infer you love the alot.

And love controls faith as well, if you love your spouse you will have faith in them.

Can also go with the faith in the context it is being used here. You have faith in the Lord, you have great love for thy Lord.

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 08/10/10 09:53 PM




Not really, the bible prophesied of such long before this happened.


Well, I can't argue with that. You're right. It does say that in the Bible.

If only there really was one book that we could get all the answers from and know it was the truth. Then we wouldn't ever have to think for ourselves. :tongue:




Yes very true, but then what would be the point? We are to spend our entire life searching out the truth and learning what is true and what isn't. That wouldn't be much of a life if there was a book to give absolute truths on anything, nor would there be any need of faith.

Faith is the largest form of love. You have faith in your spouse, would infer you love the alot.

And love controls faith as well, if you love your spouse you will have faith in them.

Can also go with the faith in the context it is being used here. You have faith in the Lord, you have great love for thy Lord.


And even further then that, there is a book with the entire truth of everything in it. Truth is only considered truth if you are willing to accept it as such. Sunsets are absolutely beautiful, which is the truth for some people, but others don't think they are that beautiful, so therefor would not be the truth with that person.

Funny thing about the truth in which we're speaking of though, it has consequences of weather you want to believe in this truth or not. I beg you please choose wisely.

mightymoe's photo
Tue 08/10/10 09:56 PM





Not really, the bible prophesied of such long before this happened.


Well, I can't argue with that. You're right. It does say that in the Bible.

If only there really was one book that we could get all the answers from and know it was the truth. Then we wouldn't ever have to think for ourselves. :tongue:




Yes very true, but then what would be the point? We are to spend our entire life searching out the truth and learning what is true and what isn't. That wouldn't be much of a life if there was a book to give absolute truths on anything, nor would there be any need of faith.

Faith is the largest form of love. You have faith in your spouse, would infer you love the alot.

And love controls faith as well, if you love your spouse you will have faith in them.

Can also go with the faith in the context it is being used here. You have faith in the Lord, you have great love for thy Lord.


And even further then that, there is a book with the entire truth of everything in it. Truth is only considered truth if you are willing to accept it as such. Sunsets are absolutely beautiful, which is the truth for some people, but others don't think they are that beautiful, so therefor would not be the truth with that person.

Funny thing about the truth in which we're speaking of though, it has consequences of weather you want to believe in this truth or not. I beg you please choose wisely.

i thought bible thumpers didn't think for themselves... god does all the thinking for yall

Ruth34611's photo
Tue 08/10/10 09:57 PM




Not really, the bible prophesied of such long before this happened.


Well, I can't argue with that. You're right. It does say that in the Bible.

If only there really was one book that we could get all the answers from and know it was the truth. Then we wouldn't ever have to think for ourselves. :tongue:




Yes very true, but then what would be the point? We are to spend our entire life searching out the truth and learning what is true and what isn't. That wouldn't be much of a life if there was a book to give absolute truths on anything, nor would there be any need of faith.

Faith is the largest form of love. You have faith in your spouse, would infer you love the alot.

And love controls faith as well, if you love your spouse you will have faith in them.

Can also go with the faith in the context it is being used here. You have faith in the Lord, you have great love for thy Lord.


Sorry, I was being sarcastic. They need a sarcasm emoticon for the chronically sarcastic, like me.

But, I do find it interesting that you admit that there is no book that gives absolute truths on anything. And, yet, you speak of the Bible as though it did just that.

In truth, there is no such book. And, yes, we must think for ourselves. We must search and learn and reason. Good luck to you on your search. I must sleep now.

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 08/10/10 10:01 PM






Not really, the bible prophesied of such long before this happened.


Well, I can't argue with that. You're right. It does say that in the Bible.

If only there really was one book that we could get all the answers from and know it was the truth. Then we wouldn't ever have to think for ourselves. :tongue:




Yes very true, but then what would be the point? We are to spend our entire life searching out the truth and learning what is true and what isn't. That wouldn't be much of a life if there was a book to give absolute truths on anything, nor would there be any need of faith.

Faith is the largest form of love. You have faith in your spouse, would infer you love the alot.

And love controls faith as well, if you love your spouse you will have faith in them.

Can also go with the faith in the context it is being used here. You have faith in the Lord, you have great love for thy Lord.


And even further then that, there is a book with the entire truth of everything in it. Truth is only considered truth if you are willing to accept it as such. Sunsets are absolutely beautiful, which is the truth for some people, but others don't think they are that beautiful, so therefor would not be the truth with that person.

Funny thing about the truth in which we're speaking of though, it has consequences of weather you want to believe in this truth or not. I beg you please choose wisely.

i thought bible thumpers didn't think for themselves... god does all the thinking for yall


We think for ourselves. It's that, that we'll be judged on when the time comes. So in your way of looking at it, the government does everybody's thinking because the government has set forth some laws to abide by. hmmmmmmmm, i think that's just what God did, our father set out forth some laws for us to follow. Guess that means God does the thinking for me and the government does the thinking for you.

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 08/10/10 10:05 PM





Not really, the bible prophesied of such long before this happened.


Well, I can't argue with that. You're right. It does say that in the Bible.

If only there really was one book that we could get all the answers from and know it was the truth. Then we wouldn't ever have to think for ourselves. :tongue:




Yes very true, but then what would be the point? We are to spend our entire life searching out the truth and learning what is true and what isn't. That wouldn't be much of a life if there was a book to give absolute truths on anything, nor would there be any need of faith.

Faith is the largest form of love. You have faith in your spouse, would infer you love the alot.

And love controls faith as well, if you love your spouse you will have faith in them.

Can also go with the faith in the context it is being used here. You have faith in the Lord, you have great love for thy Lord.


Sorry, I was being sarcastic. They need a sarcasm emoticon for the chronically sarcastic, like me.

But, I do find it interesting that you admit that there is no book that gives absolute truths on anything. And, yet, you speak of the Bible as though it did just that.

In truth, there is no such book. And, yes, we must think for ourselves. We must search and learn and reason. Good luck to you on your search. I must sleep now.


I didn't say the bible isn't true, just said the "truth" for everyone is different because they percieve it differently. The truth is 32 degrees F is freazing cold, but some people may be able to go out in this weather with just a sweeter on, thus resulting in it not being that cold for them and that would be their truth. But nevertheless 32 degrees is truely freezing cold.

mightymoe's photo
Tue 08/10/10 10:07 PM







Not really, the bible prophesied of such long before this happened.


Well, I can't argue with that. You're right. It does say that in the Bible.

If only there really was one book that we could get all the answers from and know it was the truth. Then we wouldn't ever have to think for ourselves. :tongue:




Yes very true, but then what would be the point? We are to spend our entire life searching out the truth and learning what is true and what isn't. That wouldn't be much of a life if there was a book to give absolute truths on anything, nor would there be any need of faith.

Faith is the largest form of love. You have faith in your spouse, would infer you love the alot.

And love controls faith as well, if you love your spouse you will have faith in them.

Can also go with the faith in the context it is being used here. You have faith in the Lord, you have great love for thy Lord.


And even further then that, there is a book with the entire truth of everything in it. Truth is only considered truth if you are willing to accept it as such. Sunsets are absolutely beautiful, which is the truth for some people, but others don't think they are that beautiful, so therefor would not be the truth with that person.

Funny thing about the truth in which we're speaking of though, it has consequences of weather you want to believe in this truth or not. I beg you please choose wisely.

i thought bible thumpers didn't think for themselves... god does all the thinking for yall


We think for ourselves. It's that, that we'll be judged on when the time comes. So in your way of looking at it, the government does everybody's thinking because the government has set forth some laws to abide by. hmmmmmmmm, i think that's just what God did, our father set out forth some laws for us to follow. Guess that means God does the thinking for me and the government does the thinking for you.
pretty much they tell us what we like, what we need, how we need it... when was the last time you voted on an issue, rather than who is for what office... maybe god gives more free will than the government...

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 08/10/10 10:11 PM








Not really, the bible prophesied of such long before this happened.


Well, I can't argue with that. You're right. It does say that in the Bible.

If only there really was one book that we could get all the answers from and know it was the truth. Then we wouldn't ever have to think for ourselves. :tongue:




Yes very true, but then what would be the point? We are to spend our entire life searching out the truth and learning what is true and what isn't. That wouldn't be much of a life if there was a book to give absolute truths on anything, nor would there be any need of faith.

Faith is the largest form of love. You have faith in your spouse, would infer you love the alot.

And love controls faith as well, if you love your spouse you will have faith in them.

Can also go with the faith in the context it is being used here. You have faith in the Lord, you have great love for thy Lord.


And even further then that, there is a book with the entire truth of everything in it. Truth is only considered truth if you are willing to accept it as such. Sunsets are absolutely beautiful, which is the truth for some people, but others don't think they are that beautiful, so therefor would not be the truth with that person.

Funny thing about the truth in which we're speaking of though, it has consequences of weather you want to believe in this truth or not. I beg you please choose wisely.

i thought bible thumpers didn't think for themselves... god does all the thinking for yall


We think for ourselves. It's that, that we'll be judged on when the time comes. So in your way of looking at it, the government does everybody's thinking because the government has set forth some laws to abide by. hmmmmmmmm, i think that's just what God did, our father set out forth some laws for us to follow. Guess that means God does the thinking for me and the government does the thinking for you.
pretty much they tell us what we like, what we need, how we need it... when was the last time you voted on an issue, rather than who is for what office... maybe god gives more free will than the government...


No one tells any of what we like or what we need. Everyone needs different things. No one can tell you what you need or want, only you can tell yourself that. Well not so much with the need, but yeah you understand what i'm saying lol.

Thomas3474's photo
Tue 08/10/10 11:18 PM

If gay people can't go to heaven, neither can any of you who've had premarital sex, who've had a divorce, anyone who's eaten pork or any other hoofed animal.

Women who haven't had any children will also go to hell. If you have tattoos or piercings god hates you "for defiling what he gave to you." You can't plant mixed seeds in a field or wear mixed wool. SIN SIN SIN

Oh, and jerking off... "It is better to spill your seed in the belly of a whore than on the ground" or something like that.

Eating fat is prohibited forever.

You cannot round the corners of your beard or the hair on your temples.

Also you can be punished for your parents sins. If you're a bastard, you're f***ed.

If you are disabled in any way your presence will profane his sanctuary.

Ever worked on a Sunday? Anyone working on the Sabbath is to be killed. (Ex 35:2) So long NFL. (also, the player should be killed for touching the ball (a dead pig))

I hope none of you have ever touched anything a menstruating woman has touched because it's unclean. (careful on public transportation and at your jobs!!) You're not necessarily damned if you do this, a priest can kill two pigeons to cure the uncleanliness. No sex during the period. The couple should be cut off from their people.







E verything you are talking about had it's consequences and punishments in the Old testament.Since Jesus died for all of those punishments to those sins it is no longer relevant to enforce them.The price has already been payed.This is not to say that because your sins have been sparred by the death of Jesus that you can do what ever you want.If you break those laws you don't need to worry about death or punishment because Jesus's sacrifice would have been made in vain.Of course you can be stupid and think because your sins are payed for you can do what ever you want no matter if it is right or wrong.This is a very stupid and dangerous way of thinking for Christians.Your life may be cut drastically short and filled with problems because you are disobeying the word of God.

You also fail to understand because of Jesus sacrifice and biblical prophecy many Old testament laws including what you can eat changed for the better.Animal sacrifices for sins also because null and void as it was pointless to sacrifice a animal for the sins Jesus already died for.


The majority of the Old testament laws were never changed including spilling your seed on a prostitute,homosexuality,working on the Sabbath,having sex with your wife while she is on her period,and many more.

Thomas3474's photo
Wed 08/11/10 12:01 AM




If gay people can't go to heaven, neither can any of you who've had premarital sex, who've had a divorce, anyone who's eaten pork or any other hoofed animal.

Women who haven't had any children will also go to hell. If you have tattoos or piercings god hates you "for defiling what he gave to you." You can't plant mixed seeds in a field or wear mixed wool. SIN SIN SIN

Oh, and jerking off... "It is better to spill your seed in the belly of a whore than on the ground" or something like that.

Eating fat is prohibited forever.

You cannot round the corners of your beard or the hair on your temples.

Also you can be punished for your parents sins. If you're a bastard, you're f***ed.

If you are disabled in any way your presence will profane his sanctuary.

Ever worked on a Sunday? Anyone working on the Sabbath is to be killed. (Ex 35:2) So long NFL. (also, the player should be killed for touching the ball (a dead pig))

I hope none of you have ever touched anything a menstruating woman has touched because it's unclean. (careful on public transportation and at your jobs!!) You're not necessarily damned if you do this, a priest can kill two pigeons to cure the uncleanliness. No sex during the period. The couple should be cut off from their people.





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Ever worked on a Sunday? Anyone working on the Sabbath is to be killed. (Ex 35:2) So long NFL. (also, the player should be killed for touching the ball (a dead pig))
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This is from old testament and is why it says they are to be killed, people were judged on earth for their sins. There was no judge, no Jesus in the form we know of him.

But nevertheless we are to keep the Sabath holy still. And we will be judged by our Lord Jesus when we pass away on this earth for the actions we take in our lives, working on the sabath, denying the Lord thy God, and so on. We will be judged for ALL our actions we took though our lives.



My issue with all of this is basically that EVERYONE does sin. EVERYDAY. Many don't feel guilty for any of them, yet they're so quick to judge others (mainly gays).

These days Christians follow the bible to the point that it's convenient for them. The second that a scripture doesn't fit their lifestyle, they're quick to dismiss.

I'm not a religious person. Not because I want to round my hair around my temples, but because I'm sickened by the double standards that all other religious people place.


No arguement on most of that man. Bible specifically tells us not to judge others. Matthew 7:1 - Judge not, that ye be not judged.

We shouldn't judge anyone, we should treat EVERYONE the same, weather they are homosexual, stealer, murderer, liar, or any other. WE ALL sins and fall short in the glory of God, no need to point fingers cause there are 3 fingers pointing right back at you.

And with the last part of your post, this is very true all the time. These days you can go and have a great time getting horribly drunk with your preacher, and the next day on Sunday/sabbath the preacher will be up there preaching to repent from sinful actions or you'll go to hell and so on and son on.

BUT!!! does not make it any more right, they will have to face this in judgement when their time has come.



Cowboy as Christians we think alike most of the time but this is not one of them.Jesus was talking about judgment with out facts or going off of assumptions of what you think a person is just by looking at them.I honestly don't know why Christians are afraid to stand up and tell people when they are doing wrong.If someone admits that they are a thief,murderer,or homosexual then by their own admission they are.We are not to associate with these people if they have no intentions to change and we should not be bringing them into the church if all they have is bad intentions for us.Christianity is all about change for the better.So why on earth would you be hanging out with people who are not interested in changing for the better and who God and Jesus specifically told us to stay away from.


You ever wonder why Jesus choose John the baptist to baptize him?You couldn't have met a more fire and ice bible preacher than John the baptist.He knew what kind of people he was dealing with because he saw how they were acting.He shouted to the queen telling her she was a adulterers and how she had to repent.Was he wrong?Was this judgment? es it was judgment and it was rightfully so as he knew the truth and the facts.


Do you think it was right for all those Catholic bishops who knew there was homosexual priests abusing young boys in their church but said nothing because they would be judging them?


The church and the bible is for everyone.But people who are not interested in the church and work to destroy it should be avoided.Because they are doing Satan's will not Gods.Murders,thieves,homosexuals,prostitutes,etc are no friends of mine.The only reason I will have anything to do with them if they are coming to me asking me for biblical knowledge or if they are coming to church to lead a new life.I will pray for them as Jesus told us to but if I am going to hang out with people it is going to be Christian people as the bible told us to.



"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." (John 7:24)

MiddleEarthling's photo
Wed 08/11/10 08:29 AM
Edited by MiddleEarthling on Wed 08/11/10 09:24 AM
" thief,murderer,or homosexual then by their own admission they are.We are not to associate with these people if they have no intentions to change"

Equating gays with murderers and theives? Gays choose to be gay? Inspiring hated, ignorance, and discriminations?...isn't that a sin the BOOK?

HOW low can some people go? I see...

CowboyGH's photo
Wed 08/11/10 08:52 AM





If gay people can't go to heaven, neither can any of you who've had premarital sex, who've had a divorce, anyone who's eaten pork or any other hoofed animal.

Women who haven't had any children will also go to hell. If you have tattoos or piercings god hates you "for defiling what he gave to you." You can't plant mixed seeds in a field or wear mixed wool. SIN SIN SIN

Oh, and jerking off... "It is better to spill your seed in the belly of a whore than on the ground" or something like that.

Eating fat is prohibited forever.

You cannot round the corners of your beard or the hair on your temples.

Also you can be punished for your parents sins. If you're a bastard, you're f***ed.

If you are disabled in any way your presence will profane his sanctuary.

Ever worked on a Sunday? Anyone working on the Sabbath is to be killed. (Ex 35:2) So long NFL. (also, the player should be killed for touching the ball (a dead pig))

I hope none of you have ever touched anything a menstruating woman has touched because it's unclean. (careful on public transportation and at your jobs!!) You're not necessarily damned if you do this, a priest can kill two pigeons to cure the uncleanliness. No sex during the period. The couple should be cut off from their people.





===============================================================
Ever worked on a Sunday? Anyone working on the Sabbath is to be killed. (Ex 35:2) So long NFL. (also, the player should be killed for touching the ball (a dead pig))
================================================================

This is from old testament and is why it says they are to be killed, people were judged on earth for their sins. There was no judge, no Jesus in the form we know of him.

But nevertheless we are to keep the Sabath holy still. And we will be judged by our Lord Jesus when we pass away on this earth for the actions we take in our lives, working on the sabath, denying the Lord thy God, and so on. We will be judged for ALL our actions we took though our lives.



My issue with all of this is basically that EVERYONE does sin. EVERYDAY. Many don't feel guilty for any of them, yet they're so quick to judge others (mainly gays).

These days Christians follow the bible to the point that it's convenient for them. The second that a scripture doesn't fit their lifestyle, they're quick to dismiss.

I'm not a religious person. Not because I want to round my hair around my temples, but because I'm sickened by the double standards that all other religious people place.


No arguement on most of that man. Bible specifically tells us not to judge others. Matthew 7:1 - Judge not, that ye be not judged.

We shouldn't judge anyone, we should treat EVERYONE the same, weather they are homosexual, stealer, murderer, liar, or any other. WE ALL sins and fall short in the glory of God, no need to point fingers cause there are 3 fingers pointing right back at you.

And with the last part of your post, this is very true all the time. These days you can go and have a great time getting horribly drunk with your preacher, and the next day on Sunday/sabbath the preacher will be up there preaching to repent from sinful actions or you'll go to hell and so on and son on.

BUT!!! does not make it any more right, they will have to face this in judgement when their time has come.



Cowboy as Christians we think alike most of the time but this is not one of them.Jesus was talking about judgment with out facts or going off of assumptions of what you think a person is just by looking at them.I honestly don't know why Christians are afraid to stand up and tell people when they are doing wrong.If someone admits that they are a thief,murderer,or homosexual then by their own admission they are.We are not to associate with these people if they have no intentions to change and we should not be bringing them into the church if all they have is bad intentions for us.Christianity is all about change for the better.So why on earth would you be hanging out with people who are not interested in changing for the better and who God and Jesus specifically told us to stay away from.


You ever wonder why Jesus choose John the baptist to baptize him?You couldn't have met a more fire and ice bible preacher than John the baptist.He knew what kind of people he was dealing with because he saw how they were acting.He shouted to the queen telling her she was a adulterers and how she had to repent.Was he wrong?Was this judgment? es it was judgment and it was rightfully so as he knew the truth and the facts.


Do you think it was right for all those Catholic bishops who knew there was homosexual priests abusing young boys in their church but said nothing because they would be judging them?


The church and the bible is for everyone.But people who are not interested in the church and work to destroy it should be avoided.Because they are doing Satan's will not Gods.Murders,thieves,homosexuals,prostitutes,etc are no friends of mine.The only reason I will have anything to do with them if they are coming to me asking me for biblical knowledge or if they are coming to church to lead a new life.I will pray for them as Jesus told us to but if I am going to hang out with people it is going to be Christian people as the bible told us to.



"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." (John 7:24)


Yes, very true. And you will be judged on the same level as you judged others.

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Do you think it was right for all those Catholic bishops who knew there was homosexual priests abusing young boys in their church but said nothing because they would be judging them?
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That's not judging someone. Judging someone would be like telling someone they aren't going to go heaven because they did such and such. And yes i think it was right. Because those priests will have to answere up for what they did when they pass away on this earth. It is not our place to judge anyone. They will have their rightful judgement.

CowboyGH's photo
Wed 08/11/10 08:57 AM






If gay people can't go to heaven, neither can any of you who've had premarital sex, who've had a divorce, anyone who's eaten pork or any other hoofed animal.

Women who haven't had any children will also go to hell. If you have tattoos or piercings god hates you "for defiling what he gave to you." You can't plant mixed seeds in a field or wear mixed wool. SIN SIN SIN

Oh, and jerking off... "It is better to spill your seed in the belly of a whore than on the ground" or something like that.

Eating fat is prohibited forever.

You cannot round the corners of your beard or the hair on your temples.

Also you can be punished for your parents sins. If you're a bastard, you're f***ed.

If you are disabled in any way your presence will profane his sanctuary.

Ever worked on a Sunday? Anyone working on the Sabbath is to be killed. (Ex 35:2) So long NFL. (also, the player should be killed for touching the ball (a dead pig))

I hope none of you have ever touched anything a menstruating woman has touched because it's unclean. (careful on public transportation and at your jobs!!) You're not necessarily damned if you do this, a priest can kill two pigeons to cure the uncleanliness. No sex during the period. The couple should be cut off from their people.





===============================================================
Ever worked on a Sunday? Anyone working on the Sabbath is to be killed. (Ex 35:2) So long NFL. (also, the player should be killed for touching the ball (a dead pig))
================================================================

This is from old testament and is why it says they are to be killed, people were judged on earth for their sins. There was no judge, no Jesus in the form we know of him.

But nevertheless we are to keep the Sabath holy still. And we will be judged by our Lord Jesus when we pass away on this earth for the actions we take in our lives, working on the sabath, denying the Lord thy God, and so on. We will be judged for ALL our actions we took though our lives.



My issue with all of this is basically that EVERYONE does sin. EVERYDAY. Many don't feel guilty for any of them, yet they're so quick to judge others (mainly gays).

These days Christians follow the bible to the point that it's convenient for them. The second that a scripture doesn't fit their lifestyle, they're quick to dismiss.

I'm not a religious person. Not because I want to round my hair around my temples, but because I'm sickened by the double standards that all other religious people place.


No arguement on most of that man. Bible specifically tells us not to judge others. Matthew 7:1 - Judge not, that ye be not judged.

We shouldn't judge anyone, we should treat EVERYONE the same, weather they are homosexual, stealer, murderer, liar, or any other. WE ALL sins and fall short in the glory of God, no need to point fingers cause there are 3 fingers pointing right back at you.

And with the last part of your post, this is very true all the time. These days you can go and have a great time getting horribly drunk with your preacher, and the next day on Sunday/sabbath the preacher will be up there preaching to repent from sinful actions or you'll go to hell and so on and son on.

BUT!!! does not make it any more right, they will have to face this in judgement when their time has come.



Cowboy as Christians we think alike most of the time but this is not one of them.Jesus was talking about judgment with out facts or going off of assumptions of what you think a person is just by looking at them.I honestly don't know why Christians are afraid to stand up and tell people when they are doing wrong.If someone admits that they are a thief,murderer,or homosexual then by their own admission they are.We are not to associate with these people if they have no intentions to change and we should not be bringing them into the church if all they have is bad intentions for us.Christianity is all about change for the better.So why on earth would you be hanging out with people who are not interested in changing for the better and who God and Jesus specifically told us to stay away from.


You ever wonder why Jesus choose John the baptist to baptize him?You couldn't have met a more fire and ice bible preacher than John the baptist.He knew what kind of people he was dealing with because he saw how they were acting.He shouted to the queen telling her she was a adulterers and how she had to repent.Was he wrong?Was this judgment? es it was judgment and it was rightfully so as he knew the truth and the facts.


Do you think it was right for all those Catholic bishops who knew there was homosexual priests abusing young boys in their church but said nothing because they would be judging them?


The church and the bible is for everyone.But people who are not interested in the church and work to destroy it should be avoided.Because they are doing Satan's will not Gods.Murders,thieves,homosexuals,prostitutes,etc are no friends of mine.The only reason I will have anything to do with them if they are coming to me asking me for biblical knowledge or if they are coming to church to lead a new life.I will pray for them as Jesus told us to but if I am going to hang out with people it is going to be Christian people as the bible told us to.



"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." (John 7:24)


Yes, very true. And you will be judged on the same level as you judged others.

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Do you think it was right for all those Catholic bishops who knew there was homosexual priests abusing young boys in their church but said nothing because they would be judging them?
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That's not judging someone. Judging someone would be like telling someone they aren't going to go heaven because they did such and such. And yes i think it was right. Because those priests will have to answere up for what they did when they pass away on this earth. It is not our place to judge anyone. They will have their rightful judgement.


Matthew 7:2
For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again

MiddleEarthling's photo
Wed 08/11/10 09:27 AM
Make up your minds already!

"And Jesus said, "For judgement I am come into this world." (John 9:39)
"I came not to judge the world" (John 12:47)

msharmony's photo
Wed 08/11/10 10:08 AM

Make up your minds already!

"And Jesus said, "For judgement I am come into this world." (John 9:39)
"I came not to judge the world" (John 12:47)


i have found it best when coming upon what seems to be contradictions to look further into the context of what is being shared

in context this verse
'Jesus said, "For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may become blind." {John 9:39 RSV}'

and this verse 12:47-50

"I did not come into the world to judge people. I came to save the people in the world. So I am not the one that judges the people who hear my teaching but don't obey. There is a judge for the person that refuses to believe in me and does not accept what I say. The message I have taught will judge that person on the last day. Why? Because the things I taught were not from myself. The Father (God) who sent me told me what to say and what to teach. And I know that eternal life comes from what the Father commands. So the things I say are what the Father told me to say."


seems Jesus said he came not to judge the world, but the world will be judged by The Father based upon his coming,,,

Terri720's photo
Fri 08/13/10 04:39 PM






If gay people can't go to heaven, neither can any of you who've had premarital sex, who've had a divorce, anyone who's eaten pork or any other hoofed animal.

Women who haven't had any children will also go to hell. If you have tattoos or piercings god hates you "for defiling what he gave to you." You can't plant mixed seeds in a field or wear mixed wool. SIN SIN SIN

Oh, and jerking off... "It is better to spill your seed in the belly of a whore than on the ground" or something like that.

Eating fat is prohibited forever.

You cannot round the corners of your beard or the hair on your temples.

Also you can be punished for your parents sins. If you're a bastard, you're f***ed.

If you are disabled in any way your presence will profane his sanctuary.

Ever worked on a Sunday? Anyone working on the Sabbath is to be killed. (Ex 35:2) So long NFL. (also, the player should be killed for touching the ball (a dead pig))

I hope none of you have ever touched anything a menstruating woman has touched because it's unclean. (careful on public transportation and at your jobs!!) You're not necessarily damned if you do this, a priest can kill two pigeons to cure the uncleanliness. No sex during the period. The couple should be cut off from their people.





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Ever worked on a Sunday? Anyone working on the Sabbath is to be killed. (Ex 35:2) So long NFL. (also, the player should be killed for touching the ball (a dead pig))
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This is from old testament and is why it says they are to be killed, people were judged on earth for their sins. There was no judge, no Jesus in the form we know of him.

But nevertheless we are to keep the Sabath holy still. And we will be judged by our Lord Jesus when we pass away on this earth for the actions we take in our lives, working on the sabath, denying the Lord thy God, and so on. We will be judged for ALL our actions we took though our lives.



My issue with all of this is basically that EVERYONE does sin. EVERYDAY. Many don't feel guilty for any of them, yet they're so quick to judge others (mainly gays).

These days Christians follow the bible to the point that it's convenient for them. The second that a scripture doesn't fit their lifestyle, they're quick to dismiss.

I'm not a religious person. Not because I want to round my hair around my temples, but because I'm sickened by the double standards that all other religious people place.


No arguement on most of that man. Bible specifically tells us not to judge others. Matthew 7:1 - Judge not, that ye be not judged.

We shouldn't judge anyone, we should treat EVERYONE the same, weather they are homosexual, stealer, murderer, liar, or any other. WE ALL sins and fall short in the glory of God, no need to point fingers cause there are 3 fingers pointing right back at you.

And with the last part of your post, this is very true all the time. These days you can go and have a great time getting horribly drunk with your preacher, and the next day on Sunday/sabbath the preacher will be up there preaching to repent from sinful actions or you'll go to hell and so on and son on.

BUT!!! does not make it any more right, they will have to face this in judgement when their time has come.



Cowboy as Christians we think alike most of the time but this is not one of them.Jesus was talking about judgment with out facts or going off of assumptions of what you think a person is just by looking at them.I honestly don't know why Christians are afraid to stand up and tell people when they are doing wrong.If someone admits that they are a thief,murderer,or homosexual then by their own admission they are.We are not to associate with these people if they have no intentions to change and we should not be bringing them into the church if all they have is bad intentions for us.Christianity is all about change for the better.So why on earth would you be hanging out with people who are not interested in changing for the better and who God and Jesus specifically told us to stay away from.


You ever wonder why Jesus choose John the baptist to baptize him?You couldn't have met a more fire and ice bible preacher than John the baptist.He knew what kind of people he was dealing with because he saw how they were acting.He shouted to the queen telling her she was a adulterers and how she had to repent.Was he wrong?Was this judgment? es it was judgment and it was rightfully so as he knew the truth and the facts.


Do you think it was right for all those Catholic bishops who knew there was homosexual priests abusing young boys in their church but said nothing because they would be judging them?


The church and the bible is for everyone.But people who are not interested in the church and work to destroy it should be avoided.Because they are doing Satan's will not Gods.Murders,thieves,homosexuals,prostitutes,etc are no friends of mine.The only reason I will have anything to do with them if they are coming to me asking me for biblical knowledge or if they are coming to church to lead a new life.I will pray for them as Jesus told us to but if I am going to hang out with people it is going to be Christian people as the bible told us to.



"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." (John 7:24)


Yes, very true. And you will be judged on the same level as you judged others.

========================
Do you think it was right for all those Catholic bishops who knew there was homosexual priests abusing young boys in their church but said nothing because they would be judging them?
=========================

That's not judging someone. Judging someone would be like telling someone they aren't going to go heaven because they did such and such. And yes i think it was right. Because those priests will have to answere up for what they did when they pass away on this earth. It is not our place to judge anyone. They will have their rightful judgement.


The Catholic priests in question are not homosexual, they are pedophiles, because they went after both boys and girls.

msharmony's photo
Fri 08/13/10 05:16 PM







If gay people can't go to heaven, neither can any of you who've had premarital sex, who've had a divorce, anyone who's eaten pork or any other hoofed animal.

Women who haven't had any children will also go to hell. If you have tattoos or piercings god hates you "for defiling what he gave to you." You can't plant mixed seeds in a field or wear mixed wool. SIN SIN SIN

Oh, and jerking off... "It is better to spill your seed in the belly of a whore than on the ground" or something like that.

Eating fat is prohibited forever.

You cannot round the corners of your beard or the hair on your temples.

Also you can be punished for your parents sins. If you're a bastard, you're f***ed.

If you are disabled in any way your presence will profane his sanctuary.

Ever worked on a Sunday? Anyone working on the Sabbath is to be killed. (Ex 35:2) So long NFL. (also, the player should be killed for touching the ball (a dead pig))

I hope none of you have ever touched anything a menstruating woman has touched because it's unclean. (careful on public transportation and at your jobs!!) You're not necessarily damned if you do this, a priest can kill two pigeons to cure the uncleanliness. No sex during the period. The couple should be cut off from their people.





===============================================================
Ever worked on a Sunday? Anyone working on the Sabbath is to be killed. (Ex 35:2) So long NFL. (also, the player should be killed for touching the ball (a dead pig))
================================================================

This is from old testament and is why it says they are to be killed, people were judged on earth for their sins. There was no judge, no Jesus in the form we know of him.

But nevertheless we are to keep the Sabath holy still. And we will be judged by our Lord Jesus when we pass away on this earth for the actions we take in our lives, working on the sabath, denying the Lord thy God, and so on. We will be judged for ALL our actions we took though our lives.



My issue with all of this is basically that EVERYONE does sin. EVERYDAY. Many don't feel guilty for any of them, yet they're so quick to judge others (mainly gays).

These days Christians follow the bible to the point that it's convenient for them. The second that a scripture doesn't fit their lifestyle, they're quick to dismiss.

I'm not a religious person. Not because I want to round my hair around my temples, but because I'm sickened by the double standards that all other religious people place.


No arguement on most of that man. Bible specifically tells us not to judge others. Matthew 7:1 - Judge not, that ye be not judged.

We shouldn't judge anyone, we should treat EVERYONE the same, weather they are homosexual, stealer, murderer, liar, or any other. WE ALL sins and fall short in the glory of God, no need to point fingers cause there are 3 fingers pointing right back at you.

And with the last part of your post, this is very true all the time. These days you can go and have a great time getting horribly drunk with your preacher, and the next day on Sunday/sabbath the preacher will be up there preaching to repent from sinful actions or you'll go to hell and so on and son on.

BUT!!! does not make it any more right, they will have to face this in judgement when their time has come.



Cowboy as Christians we think alike most of the time but this is not one of them.Jesus was talking about judgment with out facts or going off of assumptions of what you think a person is just by looking at them.I honestly don't know why Christians are afraid to stand up and tell people when they are doing wrong.If someone admits that they are a thief,murderer,or homosexual then by their own admission they are.We are not to associate with these people if they have no intentions to change and we should not be bringing them into the church if all they have is bad intentions for us.Christianity is all about change for the better.So why on earth would you be hanging out with people who are not interested in changing for the better and who God and Jesus specifically told us to stay away from.


You ever wonder why Jesus choose John the baptist to baptize him?You couldn't have met a more fire and ice bible preacher than John the baptist.He knew what kind of people he was dealing with because he saw how they were acting.He shouted to the queen telling her she was a adulterers and how she had to repent.Was he wrong?Was this judgment? es it was judgment and it was rightfully so as he knew the truth and the facts.


Do you think it was right for all those Catholic bishops who knew there was homosexual priests abusing young boys in their church but said nothing because they would be judging them?


The church and the bible is for everyone.But people who are not interested in the church and work to destroy it should be avoided.Because they are doing Satan's will not Gods.Murders,thieves,homosexuals,prostitutes,etc are no friends of mine.The only reason I will have anything to do with them if they are coming to me asking me for biblical knowledge or if they are coming to church to lead a new life.I will pray for them as Jesus told us to but if I am going to hang out with people it is going to be Christian people as the bible told us to.



"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." (John 7:24)


Yes, very true. And you will be judged on the same level as you judged others.

========================
Do you think it was right for all those Catholic bishops who knew there was homosexual priests abusing young boys in their church but said nothing because they would be judging them?
=========================

That's not judging someone. Judging someone would be like telling someone they aren't going to go heaven because they did such and such. And yes i think it was right. Because those priests will have to answere up for what they did when they pass away on this earth. It is not our place to judge anyone. They will have their rightful judgement.


The Catholic priests in question are not homosexual, they are pedophiles, because they went after both boys and girls.



I think if someone is hurting children , and we have the authority to decide whether they will have authority over children, we have an obligation to keep the children out of harms way and it has nothing to do with judging anyones soul, which I think is what the Bible refers to in its lessons on judging