Topic: see i have an issue
msharmony's photo
Sat 08/07/10 12:59 AM







from a bi female

I believe in christ as my lord and savior, but that is more than just a script or a quote to recite which saves you

by believing in him, I have to believe in what he taught and I have to be always trying to live by the example he set and the words he preached as well as the laws instructed by his Father and Mine


I love analogies so here is the closest I can come,,,

If I understand and have knowledge of the police and their authority, that doesnt keep me out of jail, its only RESPECTING that authority that does that


I think its similar with not only accepting Jesus and the authority of his word and the biblical word but respecting and adhering to it


isn't that a contradiction?


is what a contradiction?


god does not like gays
so a gay asks for his forgivness....
maybe if they ask jesus, he never really said anything about gays.
does jesus like gay people?



Didn't Jesus 'hang' out with the poor outcasts and teach 'he who is without sin cast the first stone'.
Jesus didn't judge anyone, he only taught love, forgiveness and acceptance. His message got twisted by the fanatics, twisted right into Christianity. THAT has served us soooo well! (sarcasm)

Isn't there a scripture that talks of eating shell fish as being an abomination?? YES..I haven't read or owned a bible for over 25 years so the exact scripture escapes me. I could find it if anyone cares...but then, oh wait..NO, WE CAN'T DO THAT... then those who eat shellfish would have to come out as sinners..right down there with the homo's.

i think that is in the old testament, before jesus.
not sure tho.
but if a am going to sin, i would rather eat the shrimp and lobster.


Yeah, that 'old testament' - 'new testament' thing has proven to be really convenient for some to justify their choices and actions. The book just makes it soooooo easy....

Personally I'm a vegetarian so I wouldn't eat either, or anything that had a face once. Was a time I really enjoyed lobster with lots of butter!!!

Which brings me to a question...since I am not gay, don't eat shellfish, don't even kill spiders and really strive to be as good a person as I can, does that mean I'M going to heaven???



only God knows,,,

mightymoe's photo
Sat 08/07/10 12:59 AM







from a bi female

I believe in christ as my lord and savior, but that is more than just a script or a quote to recite which saves you

by believing in him, I have to believe in what he taught and I have to be always trying to live by the example he set and the words he preached as well as the laws instructed by his Father and Mine


I love analogies so here is the closest I can come,,,

If I understand and have knowledge of the police and their authority, that doesnt keep me out of jail, its only RESPECTING that authority that does that


I think its similar with not only accepting Jesus and the authority of his word and the biblical word but respecting and adhering to it


isn't that a contradiction?


is what a contradiction?


god does not like gays
so a gay asks for his forgivness....
maybe if they ask jesus, he never really said anything about gays.
does jesus like gay people?



Didn't Jesus 'hang' out with the poor outcasts and teach 'he who is without sin cast the first stone'.
Jesus didn't judge anyone, he only taught love, forgiveness and acceptance. His message got twisted by the fanatics, twisted right into Christianity. THAT has served us soooo well! (sarcasm)

Isn't there a scripture that talks of eating shell fish as being an abomination?? YES..I haven't read or owned a bible for over 25 years so the exact scripture escapes me. I could find it if anyone cares...but then, oh wait..NO, WE CAN'T DO THAT... then those who eat shellfish would have to come out as sinners..right down there with the homo's.

i think that is in the old testament, before jesus.
not sure tho.
but if a am going to sin, i would rather eat the shrimp and lobster.


Yeah, that 'old testament' - 'new testament' thing has proven to be really convenient for some to justify their choices and actions. The book just makes it soooooo easy....

Personally I'm a vegetarian so I wouldn't eat either, or anything that had a face once. Was a time I really enjoyed lobster with lots of butter!!!

Which brings me to a question...since I am not gay, don't eat shellfish, don't even kill spiders and really strive to be as good a person as I can, does that mean I'M going to heaven???
, yes, i will allow it.

haha, j/k

yea, your a nice person, i can't see why not.

Ladylid2012's photo
Sat 08/07/10 01:02 AM






from a bi female

I believe in christ as my lord and savior, but that is more than just a script or a quote to recite which saves you

by believing in him, I have to believe in what he taught and I have to be always trying to live by the example he set and the words he preached as well as the laws instructed by his Father and Mine


I love analogies so here is the closest I can come,,,

If I understand and have knowledge of the police and their authority, that doesnt keep me out of jail, its only RESPECTING that authority that does that


I think its similar with not only accepting Jesus and the authority of his word and the biblical word but respecting and adhering to it


isn't that a contradiction?


is what a contradiction?


god does not like gays
so a gay asks for his forgivness....
maybe if they ask jesus, he never really said anything about gays.
does jesus like gay people?



Didn't Jesus 'hang' out with the poor outcasts and teach 'he who is without sin cast the first stone'.
Jesus didn't judge anyone, he only taught love, forgiveness and acceptance. His message got twisted by the fanatics, twisted right into Christianity. THAT has served us soooo well! (sarcasm)

Isn't there a scripture that talks of eating shell fish as being an abomination?? YES..I haven't read or owned a bible for over 25 years so the exact scripture escapes me. I could find it if anyone cares...but then, oh wait..NO, WE CAN'T DO THAT... then those who eat shellfish would have to come out as sinners..right down there with the homo's.
i'm sorry he taught i'm the messiah so follow me for i am the way


No he didn't Rob. He never taught or asked anyone to worship him...he only asked people to follow him, watch and learn. It was the people who put him on the pedestal. I'm quite sure Jesus has rolled over in his grave well...a gazillion times by now seeing what organized religion has done to his message. I'm not even a Christian, Jesus is NOT the way for me...however I think I understand his teachings more than many so called "Christians."

RKISIT's photo
Sat 08/07/10 01:05 AM
ok so when jesus was crucified where did galilee go? nowhere it was still a poor city if thats what you want to call it and it never did prosper so,oh wait my bad nazareth did?

RKISIT's photo
Sat 08/07/10 01:08 AM







from a bi female

I believe in christ as my lord and savior, but that is more than just a script or a quote to recite which saves you

by believing in him, I have to believe in what he taught and I have to be always trying to live by the example he set and the words he preached as well as the laws instructed by his Father and Mine


I love analogies so here is the closest I can come,,,

If I understand and have knowledge of the police and their authority, that doesnt keep me out of jail, its only RESPECTING that authority that does that


I think its similar with not only accepting Jesus and the authority of his word and the biblical word but respecting and adhering to it


isn't that a contradiction?


is what a contradiction?


god does not like gays
so a gay asks for his forgivness....
maybe if they ask jesus, he never really said anything about gays.
does jesus like gay people?



Didn't Jesus 'hang' out with the poor outcasts and teach 'he who is without sin cast the first stone'.
Jesus didn't judge anyone, he only taught love, forgiveness and acceptance. His message got twisted by the fanatics, twisted right into Christianity. THAT has served us soooo well! (sarcasm)

Isn't there a scripture that talks of eating shell fish as being an abomination?? YES..I haven't read or owned a bible for over 25 years so the exact scripture escapes me. I could find it if anyone cares...but then, oh wait..NO, WE CAN'T DO THAT... then those who eat shellfish would have to come out as sinners..right down there with the homo's.
i'm sorry he taught i'm the messiah so follow me for i am the way


No he didn't Rob. He never taught or asked anyone to worship him...he only asked people to follow him, watch and learn. It was the people who put him on the pedestal. I'm quite sure Jesus has rolled over in his grave well...a gazillion times by now seeing what organized religion has done to his message. I'm not even a Christian, Jesus is NOT the way for me...however I think I understand his teachings more than many so called "Christians."
wow this is so funny so then he didn't pick judas to deceive him?

mightymoe's photo
Sat 08/07/10 01:11 AM








from a bi female

I believe in christ as my lord and savior, but that is more than just a script or a quote to recite which saves you

by believing in him, I have to believe in what he taught and I have to be always trying to live by the example he set and the words he preached as well as the laws instructed by his Father and Mine


I love analogies so here is the closest I can come,,,

If I understand and have knowledge of the police and their authority, that doesnt keep me out of jail, its only RESPECTING that authority that does that


I think its similar with not only accepting Jesus and the authority of his word and the biblical word but respecting and adhering to it


isn't that a contradiction?


is what a contradiction?


god does not like gays
so a gay asks for his forgivness....
maybe if they ask jesus, he never really said anything about gays.
does jesus like gay people?



Didn't Jesus 'hang' out with the poor outcasts and teach 'he who is without sin cast the first stone'.
Jesus didn't judge anyone, he only taught love, forgiveness and acceptance. His message got twisted by the fanatics, twisted right into Christianity. THAT has served us soooo well! (sarcasm)

Isn't there a scripture that talks of eating shell fish as being an abomination?? YES..I haven't read or owned a bible for over 25 years so the exact scripture escapes me. I could find it if anyone cares...but then, oh wait..NO, WE CAN'T DO THAT... then those who eat shellfish would have to come out as sinners..right down there with the homo's.
i'm sorry he taught i'm the messiah so follow me for i am the way


No he didn't Rob. He never taught or asked anyone to worship him...he only asked people to follow him, watch and learn. It was the people who put him on the pedestal. I'm quite sure Jesus has rolled over in his grave well...a gazillion times by now seeing what organized religion has done to his message. I'm not even a Christian, Jesus is NOT the way for me...however I think I understand his teachings more than many so called "Christians."
wow this is so funny so then he didn't pick judas to deceive him?

he said one of them would betray him, not sure if he knew who tho.

Ladylid2012's photo
Sat 08/07/10 01:11 AM








from a bi female

I believe in christ as my lord and savior, but that is more than just a script or a quote to recite which saves you

by believing in him, I have to believe in what he taught and I have to be always trying to live by the example he set and the words he preached as well as the laws instructed by his Father and Mine


I love analogies so here is the closest I can come,,,

If I understand and have knowledge of the police and their authority, that doesnt keep me out of jail, its only RESPECTING that authority that does that


I think its similar with not only accepting Jesus and the authority of his word and the biblical word but respecting and adhering to it


isn't that a contradiction?


is what a contradiction?


god does not like gays
so a gay asks for his forgivness....
maybe if they ask jesus, he never really said anything about gays.
does jesus like gay people?



Didn't Jesus 'hang' out with the poor outcasts and teach 'he who is without sin cast the first stone'.
Jesus didn't judge anyone, he only taught love, forgiveness and acceptance. His message got twisted by the fanatics, twisted right into Christianity. THAT has served us soooo well! (sarcasm)

Isn't there a scripture that talks of eating shell fish as being an abomination?? YES..I haven't read or owned a bible for over 25 years so the exact scripture escapes me. I could find it if anyone cares...but then, oh wait..NO, WE CAN'T DO THAT... then those who eat shellfish would have to come out as sinners..right down there with the homo's.

i think that is in the old testament, before jesus.
not sure tho.
but if a am going to sin, i would rather eat the shrimp and lobster.


Yeah, that 'old testament' - 'new testament' thing has proven to be really convenient for some to justify their choices and actions. The book just makes it soooooo easy....

Personally I'm a vegetarian so I wouldn't eat either, or anything that had a face once. Was a time I really enjoyed lobster with lots of butter!!!

Which brings me to a question...since I am not gay, don't eat shellfish, don't even kill spiders and really strive to be as good a person as I can, does that mean I'M going to heaven???
, yes, i will allow it.

haha, j/k

yea, your a nice person, i can't see why not.


YOU will allow it...laugh Oh golly everybody thinks their GOD!!

Since I don't believe in the concept of heaven and hell I'm not terribly concerned about it, it was sarcasm again.
I do believe that in the end, the way we treated each other will be more important than who we were screwing. Like I said before...
if GOD is all that "he" is not worried about such silly pettiness, catty-ness, superficial, judgmental crap.

GOD is LOVE, LOVE IS GOD.....hate, judgment, exclusion,..all that garbage is created in out minds...we hate, we judge, we exclude, not GOD. We just do it all in his name so it is justified and acceptable.

RKISIT's photo
Sat 08/07/10 01:11 AM
this was jesus,"forgive them father for they know not what they do?" so who is his daddy

RKISIT's photo
Sat 08/07/10 01:13 AM
personally religion is like singularity in science,it's a way of saying i have no idea how the universe began

RKISIT's photo
Sat 08/07/10 01:16 AM
see i have my therories though they are called atoms,close to adam

mightymoe's photo
Sat 08/07/10 01:17 AM









from a bi female

I believe in christ as my lord and savior, but that is more than just a script or a quote to recite which saves you

by believing in him, I have to believe in what he taught and I have to be always trying to live by the example he set and the words he preached as well as the laws instructed by his Father and Mine


I love analogies so here is the closest I can come,,,

If I understand and have knowledge of the police and their authority, that doesnt keep me out of jail, its only RESPECTING that authority that does that


I think its similar with not only accepting Jesus and the authority of his word and the biblical word but respecting and adhering to it


isn't that a contradiction?


is what a contradiction?


god does not like gays
so a gay asks for his forgivness....
maybe if they ask jesus, he never really said anything about gays.
does jesus like gay people?



Didn't Jesus 'hang' out with the poor outcasts and teach 'he who is without sin cast the first stone'.
Jesus didn't judge anyone, he only taught love, forgiveness and acceptance. His message got twisted by the fanatics, twisted right into Christianity. THAT has served us soooo well! (sarcasm)

Isn't there a scripture that talks of eating shell fish as being an abomination?? YES..I haven't read or owned a bible for over 25 years so the exact scripture escapes me. I could find it if anyone cares...but then, oh wait..NO, WE CAN'T DO THAT... then those who eat shellfish would have to come out as sinners..right down there with the homo's.

i think that is in the old testament, before jesus.
not sure tho.
but if a am going to sin, i would rather eat the shrimp and lobster.


Yeah, that 'old testament' - 'new testament' thing has proven to be really convenient for some to justify their choices and actions. The book just makes it soooooo easy....

Personally I'm a vegetarian so I wouldn't eat either, or anything that had a face once. Was a time I really enjoyed lobster with lots of butter!!!

Which brings me to a question...since I am not gay, don't eat shellfish, don't even kill spiders and really strive to be as good a person as I can, does that mean I'M going to heaven???
, yes, i will allow it.

haha, j/k

yea, your a nice person, i can't see why not.


YOU will allow it...laugh Oh golly everybody thinks their GOD!!

Since I don't believe in the concept of heaven and hell I'm not terribly concerned about it, it was sarcasm again.
I do believe that in the end, the way we treated each other will be more important than who we were screwing. Like I said before...
if GOD is all that "he" is not worried about such silly pettiness, catty-ness, superficial, judgmental crap.

GOD is LOVE, LOVE IS GOD.....hate, judgment, exclusion,..all that garbage is created in out minds...we hate, we judge, we exclude, not GOD. We just do it all in his name so it is justified and acceptable.

all garbage is created in our minds... without our minds, nothing would exist.

d24's photo
Sat 08/07/10 01:17 AM
laugh

Ladylid2012's photo
Sat 08/07/10 01:20 AM








from a bi female

I believe in christ as my lord and savior, but that is more than just a script or a quote to recite which saves you

by believing in him, I have to believe in what he taught and I have to be always trying to live by the example he set and the words he preached as well as the laws instructed by his Father and Mine


I love analogies so here is the closest I can come,,,

If I understand and have knowledge of the police and their authority, that doesnt keep me out of jail, its only RESPECTING that authority that does that


I think its similar with not only accepting Jesus and the authority of his word and the biblical word but respecting and adhering to it


isn't that a contradiction?


is what a contradiction?


god does not like gays
so a gay asks for his forgivness....
maybe if they ask jesus, he never really said anything about gays.
does jesus like gay people?



Didn't Jesus 'hang' out with the poor outcasts and teach 'he who is without sin cast the first stone'.
Jesus didn't judge anyone, he only taught love, forgiveness and acceptance. His message got twisted by the fanatics, twisted right into Christianity. THAT has served us soooo well! (sarcasm)

Isn't there a scripture that talks of eating shell fish as being an abomination?? YES..I haven't read or owned a bible for over 25 years so the exact scripture escapes me. I could find it if anyone cares...but then, oh wait..NO, WE CAN'T DO THAT... then those who eat shellfish would have to come out as sinners..right down there with the homo's.
i'm sorry he taught i'm the messiah so follow me for i am the way


No he didn't Rob. He never taught or asked anyone to worship him...he only asked people to follow him, watch and learn. It was the people who put him on the pedestal. I'm quite sure Jesus has rolled over in his grave well...a gazillion times by now seeing what organized religion has done to his message. I'm not even a Christian, Jesus is NOT the way for me...however I think I understand his teachings more than many so called "Christians."
wow this is so funny so then he didn't pick judas to deceive him?



pffft!

Am I sensing some sarcasm with you tonight young man?? laugh

I actually have my own theory about Jesus and Judas's relationship... there was a much greater bond between them, more than we know. Judas did not betray Jesus, not in the way we have been taught anyway. Jesus did choose him, but again..not as we have been taught. Were the ones who have been betrayed and lied to by the church for ions. The truth twisted to fit the Roman Catholic control and power life they were living. Not so much different than today...

Ladylid2012's photo
Sat 08/07/10 01:25 AM










from a bi female

I believe in christ as my lord and savior, but that is more than just a script or a quote to recite which saves you

by believing in him, I have to believe in what he taught and I have to be always trying to live by the example he set and the words he preached as well as the laws instructed by his Father and Mine


I love analogies so here is the closest I can come,,,

If I understand and have knowledge of the police and their authority, that doesnt keep me out of jail, its only RESPECTING that authority that does that


I think its similar with not only accepting Jesus and the authority of his word and the biblical word but respecting and adhering to it


isn't that a contradiction?


is what a contradiction?


god does not like gays
so a gay asks for his forgivness....
maybe if they ask jesus, he never really said anything about gays.
does jesus like gay people?



Didn't Jesus 'hang' out with the poor outcasts and teach 'he who is without sin cast the first stone'.
Jesus didn't judge anyone, he only taught love, forgiveness and acceptance. His message got twisted by the fanatics, twisted right into Christianity. THAT has served us soooo well! (sarcasm)

Isn't there a scripture that talks of eating shell fish as being an abomination?? YES..I haven't read or owned a bible for over 25 years so the exact scripture escapes me. I could find it if anyone cares...but then, oh wait..NO, WE CAN'T DO THAT... then those who eat shellfish would have to come out as sinners..right down there with the homo's.

i think that is in the old testament, before jesus.
not sure tho.
but if a am going to sin, i would rather eat the shrimp and lobster.


Yeah, that 'old testament' - 'new testament' thing has proven to be really convenient for some to justify their choices and actions. The book just makes it soooooo easy....

Personally I'm a vegetarian so I wouldn't eat either, or anything that had a face once. Was a time I really enjoyed lobster with lots of butter!!!

Which brings me to a question...since I am not gay, don't eat shellfish, don't even kill spiders and really strive to be as good a person as I can, does that mean I'M going to heaven???
, yes, i will allow it.

haha, j/k

yea, your a nice person, i can't see why not.


YOU will allow it...laugh Oh golly everybody thinks their GOD!!

Since I don't believe in the concept of heaven and hell I'm not terribly concerned about it, it was sarcasm again.
I do believe that in the end, the way we treated each other will be more important than who we were screwing. Like I said before...
if GOD is all that "he" is not worried about such silly pettiness, catty-ness, superficial, judgmental crap.

GOD is LOVE, LOVE IS GOD.....hate, judgment, exclusion,..all that garbage is created in out minds...we hate, we judge, we exclude, not GOD. We just do it all in his name so it is justified and acceptable.

all garbage is created in our minds... without our minds, nothing would exist.


Absolutely..agreed 100. So why can't we use all that power and create good, love, forgiveness, tolerance, allowing, kindness..all good things. Why is the hateful, judgmental, unkind 'garbage ' created more? Is is just easier to hate a thing we don't understand than to attempt an understanding?

s1owhand's photo
Sat 08/07/10 01:31 AM
merely accepting jesus christ as lord and savior does not guarantee anything. if the person doing the accepting is otherwise a vile and mean individual then no reasonable god would ever reward such behavior while punishing others who were good and kind but who did not accept jesus christ as lord and savior.

god doesn't really care if you are gay, bi, lesbian or heterosexual as long as you treat others with respect and kindness you can't go wrong. merely having a god-given preference for men, women or both does not affect what kind of person you choose to be. the key is your choices and how you exercise them.

there are no deathbed conversions which will wash a way a lifetime of abusing others and by the same token there is no way to erase a lifetime of good works because of which rituals you observed as a pagan, jew, medicine man or southern baptist.

so, be good and you shall find that it is rewarding in every way


Abracadabra's photo
Sat 08/07/10 02:38 AM
Slowhand, our messiah
We worship you and Gaia
We cherish all your wisdom
and offer you papaya flowerforyou


s1owhand's photo
Sat 08/07/10 02:45 AM
Haha Consider it the mingle2 channel Sign-on message of the day...

Peace be upon you.

flowerforyou

RKISIT's photo
Sun 08/08/10 02:40 PM

merely accepting jesus christ as lord and savior does not guarantee anything. if the person doing the accepting is otherwise a vile and mean individual then no reasonable god would ever reward such behavior while punishing others who were good and kind but who did not accept jesus christ as lord and savior.

god doesn't really care if you are gay, bi, lesbian or heterosexual as long as you treat others with respect and kindness you can't go wrong. merely having a god-given preference for men, women or both does not affect what kind of person you choose to be. the key is your choices and how you exercise them.

there are no deathbed conversions which will wash a way a lifetime of abusing others and by the same token there is no way to erase a lifetime of good works because of which rituals you observed as a pagan, jew, medicine man or southern baptist.

so, be good and you shall find that it is rewarding in every way


so homosexuals aren't considered an abomination..hmmmm, so whats does this mean then Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13

d24's photo
Sun 08/08/10 02:42 PM
RKISITdrinker

RKISIT's photo
Sun 08/08/10 03:02 PM
see heres my point what was acceptable in the bible is now not acceptable by modern jews and christians,so i'm assuming another version of the bible is going to be coming out,which is going to be underminding "i am"