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Lol you referenced one sacrifice I said and you ask for more when there right there. And besides that, Jesus didn't "have" to take a mortal body to feel the pain and suffering he did when he was crucified. Again that was some part of the sacrifice he made. Other then not living his life for himself, but completely and entirely for the better of the world, for you and I. Even when he knew people like you would totally disregard what he did, and even deny his existence. He still willing went through with sacrificing his life for you and others of similar beliefs. again you are making up excuses...if Jesus did not die then he made no more sacrifices than those that did die in the name of religion |
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lol ok you just believe that. But still regardless of that, we do not "WORSHIP" the cross. We worship God. the commandment didn't say that it has to be worship...it states do not have any carved images that has likeness of anything in Heaven ... and if as you said that a cross represent Christ in memorial...then that is what makes a cross a graven image We have no graven images of God, nor any carved mimages, or anything nor do we worship the memorabilia we have of Jesus. you keep trying to use the word "worship" ...to break the 1st commandment all you have to do is use the cross as a symbol/carved image of that which is in Heaven If you don't remember, Jesus was crucified here on earth, thus resulting in it's not any image of anything in heaven. so Jesus isn't in Heaven? |
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CowboyGH
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Tue 08/03/10 07:08 AM
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lol ok you just believe that. But still regardless of that, we do not "WORSHIP" the cross. We worship God. the commandment didn't say that it has to be worship...it states do not have any carved images that has likeness of anything in Heaven ... and if as you said that a cross represent Christ in memorial...then that is what makes a cross a graven image We have no graven images of God, nor any carved mimages, or anything nor do we worship the memorabilia we have of Jesus. you keep trying to use the word "worship" ...to break the 1st commandment all you have to do is use the cross as a symbol/carved image of that which is in Heaven If you don't remember, Jesus was crucified here on earth, thus resulting in it's not any image of anything in heaven. so Jesus isn't in Heaven? Yes Jesus is in heaven. But the image we have is of him while he was on this earth. Our mortal bodies is what makes our appearance that we see. Who's to say our spirits look the same? So therefor the crucifixes we have are of him while he was on earth, not of anything in heaven. |
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I didn't take anything. John 5: For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel. For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. Nottice the "has committed all judgement to the son. Notice, I said provide a quote from "God himself"... not a quote from John .....if God is going to give up power to jesus then he will say so himself and not use an angel or a human ...you may have to go to the old testament to perhaps search for such a passage |
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I didn't take anything. John 5: For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel. For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. Nottice the "has committed all judgement to the son. Notice, I said provide a quote from "God himself"... not a quote from John .....if God is going to give up power to jesus then he will say so himself and not use an angel or a human ...you may have to go to the old testament to perhaps search for such a passage I don't have to go no where. God works through people my friend. I guess if you don't believe me on any of this, you will have to one day, that's all i can say. I can't force you to believe in God. It's all your option. I'm only telling of what the bible says and declaring the bible is the word of God, it doesn't really effect me in anyway if you want to believe it or not. |
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No i'm not saying that at all. Jesus spoke in parables so we could relate it to ourselves easier and could get a better perspective of what he was saying. Cowboy...parables are a form of trickery.....how many people in your life speak in parables everytime they talk to you? ... How in any way could it be trickery? Give me one parable for an example to this claim, and explain how it could be trickery. if the truth is not literal...then it's a lie .....if Jesus told someone that the bread was his flesh and it wasn't...then that is an example of Jesus lying or askewing from the truth aka "trickery" So you saying when someone says it's ice cold outside they are lieing? Because it obviously isn't "ice" cold, or they would get hypothermia. That right there is all a parable is. It's relating it to something we understand and know so that we'll understand the full meaning of what they are talking about. if someone says that it's ice cold outside and it's not cold enough outside to freeze water then of course they are lying ...if Jesus said that the bread was his flesh and it wasn't and he knew that it wasn't...then Jesus was lying |
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The bible is the word of God my friend. so in other words ...you can't find a passage in the bible that "God Himself" quotes that he handed his power over to Jesus ....and that is why worshipping Jesus is worshipping a false idol |
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lol ok you just believe that. But still regardless of that, we do not "WORSHIP" the cross. We worship God. the commandment didn't say that it has to be worship...it states do not have any carved images that has likeness of anything in Heaven ... and if as you said that a cross represent Christ in memorial...then that is what makes a cross a graven image We have no graven images of God, nor any carved mimages, or anything nor do we worship the memorabilia we have of Jesus. you keep trying to use the word "worship" ...to break the 1st commandment all you have to do is use the cross as a symbol/carved image of that which is in Heaven If you don't remember, Jesus was crucified here on earth, thus resulting in it's not any image of anything in heaven. so Jesus isn't in Heaven? Yes Jesus is in heaven. But the image we have is of him while he was on this earth. Our mortal bodies is what makes our appearance that we see. Who's to say our spirits look the same? So therefor the crucifixes we have are of him while he was on earth, not of anything in heaven. so if Jesus is in Heaven and the cross represents Jesus...then that is why the cross is a graven image |
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No i'm not saying that at all. Jesus spoke in parables so we could relate it to ourselves easier and could get a better perspective of what he was saying. Cowboy...parables are a form of trickery.....how many people in your life speak in parables everytime they talk to you? ... How in any way could it be trickery? Give me one parable for an example to this claim, and explain how it could be trickery. if the truth is not literal...then it's a lie .....if Jesus told someone that the bread was his flesh and it wasn't...then that is an example of Jesus lying or askewing from the truth aka "trickery" So you saying when someone says it's ice cold outside they are lieing? Because it obviously isn't "ice" cold, or they would get hypothermia. That right there is all a parable is. It's relating it to something we understand and know so that we'll understand the full meaning of what they are talking about. if someone says that it's ice cold outside and it's not cold enough outside to freeze water then of course they are lying ...if Jesus said that the bread was his flesh and it wasn't and he knew that it wasn't...then Jesus was lying No my friend, they are parables Definition fo parable: 1. a short story that uses familiar events to illustrate a religious or ethical point Notice the "familiar events to illustrate". It doesn't say "exact events to illustrate"/ |
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I didn't take anything. John 5: For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel. For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. Nottice the "has committed all judgement to the son. Notice, I said provide a quote from "God himself"... not a quote from John .....if God is going to give up power to jesus then he will say so himself and not use an angel or a human ...you may have to go to the old testament to perhaps search for such a passage I don't have to go no where. God works through people my friend. I guess if you don't believe me on any of this, you will have to one day, that's all i can say. I can't force you to believe in God. It's all your option. I'm only telling of what the bible says and declaring the bible is the word of God, it doesn't really effect me in anyway if you want to believe it or not. Cowboy ...stop with the preaching and just admit that nowhere in the bible does "God himself" quotes that he handled over his power to Jesus ....this is why you are worshipping a man instead of God |
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lol ok you just believe that. But still regardless of that, we do not "WORSHIP" the cross. We worship God. the commandment didn't say that it has to be worship...it states do not have any carved images that has likeness of anything in Heaven ... and if as you said that a cross represent Christ in memorial...then that is what makes a cross a graven image We have no graven images of God, nor any carved mimages, or anything nor do we worship the memorabilia we have of Jesus. you keep trying to use the word "worship" ...to break the 1st commandment all you have to do is use the cross as a symbol/carved image of that which is in Heaven If you don't remember, Jesus was crucified here on earth, thus resulting in it's not any image of anything in heaven. so Jesus isn't in Heaven? Yes Jesus is in heaven. But the image we have is of him while he was on this earth. Our mortal bodies is what makes our appearance that we see. Who's to say our spirits look the same? So therefor the crucifixes we have are of him while he was on earth, not of anything in heaven. so if Jesus is in Heaven and the cross represents Jesus...then that is why the cross is a graven image For starters, it's not graven. Graving involves stone, we don't make statues of Jesus and or God. And other then that with your theory, if i took a picture of a car in Texas and claimed it was a car in Texas, then we seen that exact car drive down the road in NewMexico i would be lieing. Because obviousely i don't have a picture of a car in Texas, it just drove down the road in NewMexico. This concept can't work my friend. The image we have of Jesus is of when he was on this earth, therefor not any image of him in heaven. |
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No i'm not saying that at all. Jesus spoke in parables so we could relate it to ourselves easier and could get a better perspective of what he was saying. Cowboy...parables are a form of trickery.....how many people in your life speak in parables everytime they talk to you? ... How in any way could it be trickery? Give me one parable for an example to this claim, and explain how it could be trickery. if the truth is not literal...then it's a lie .....if Jesus told someone that the bread was his flesh and it wasn't...then that is an example of Jesus lying or askewing from the truth aka "trickery" So you saying when someone says it's ice cold outside they are lieing? Because it obviously isn't "ice" cold, or they would get hypothermia. That right there is all a parable is. It's relating it to something we understand and know so that we'll understand the full meaning of what they are talking about. if someone says that it's ice cold outside and it's not cold enough outside to freeze water then of course they are lying ...if Jesus said that the bread was his flesh and it wasn't and he knew that it wasn't...then Jesus was lying No my friend, they are parables Definition fo parable: 1. a short story that uses familiar events to illustrate a religious or ethical point Notice the "familiar events to illustrate". It doesn't say "exact events to illustrate"/ cool definitions.....everytime a believer runs to the dictionary instead of the bible it displays their lack of faith I'm pretty sure Jesus ran to the "Funk and Wagnall" when he had to explain to the masses what a parable was |
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I didn't take anything. John 5: For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel. For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. Nottice the "has committed all judgement to the son. Notice, I said provide a quote from "God himself"... not a quote from John .....if God is going to give up power to jesus then he will say so himself and not use an angel or a human ...you may have to go to the old testament to perhaps search for such a passage I don't have to go no where. God works through people my friend. I guess if you don't believe me on any of this, you will have to one day, that's all i can say. I can't force you to believe in God. It's all your option. I'm only telling of what the bible says and declaring the bible is the word of God, it doesn't really effect me in anyway if you want to believe it or not. Cowboy ...stop with the preaching and just admit that nowhere in the bible does "God himself" quotes that he handled over his power to Jesus ....this is why you are worshipping a man instead of God God didn't hand his "power" over to Jesus, God only gave Jesus the right, ability, and knowledge to judge the world. |
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For starters, it's not graven. Graving involves stone, we don't make statues of Jesus and or God. And other then that with your theory, if i took a picture of a car in Texas and claimed it was a car in Texas, then we seen that exact car drive down the road in NewMexico i would be lieing. Because obviousely i don't have a picture of a car in Texas, it just drove down the road in NewMexico. This concept can't work my friend. The image we have of Jesus is of when he was on this earth, therefor not any image of him in heaven. the commandment said have no images of anything in Heaven ...so is Jesus in Heaven or what? |
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No i'm not saying that at all. Jesus spoke in parables so we could relate it to ourselves easier and could get a better perspective of what he was saying. Cowboy...parables are a form of trickery.....how many people in your life speak in parables everytime they talk to you? ... How in any way could it be trickery? Give me one parable for an example to this claim, and explain how it could be trickery. if the truth is not literal...then it's a lie .....if Jesus told someone that the bread was his flesh and it wasn't...then that is an example of Jesus lying or askewing from the truth aka "trickery" So you saying when someone says it's ice cold outside they are lieing? Because it obviously isn't "ice" cold, or they would get hypothermia. That right there is all a parable is. It's relating it to something we understand and know so that we'll understand the full meaning of what they are talking about. if someone says that it's ice cold outside and it's not cold enough outside to freeze water then of course they are lying ...if Jesus said that the bread was his flesh and it wasn't and he knew that it wasn't...then Jesus was lying No my friend, they are parables Definition fo parable: 1. a short story that uses familiar events to illustrate a religious or ethical point Notice the "familiar events to illustrate". It doesn't say "exact events to illustrate"/ cool definitions.....everytime a believer runs to the dictionary instead of the bible it displays their lack of faith I'm pretty sure Jesus ran to the "Funk and Wagnall" when he had to explain to the masses what a parable was That's because you give us no other choice. If you won't believe what's in the bible, then why would you believe what a parable is if it was from the bible as well? |
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God didn't hand his "power" over to Jesus, God only gave Jesus the right, ability, and knowledge to judge the world. as I said...anyone or everyone can have the power to judge the world but only God has the power to judge on judgement day ...you trying to give Jesus this power is you dismissing God |
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For starters, it's not graven. Graving involves stone, we don't make statues of Jesus and or God. And other then that with your theory, if i took a picture of a car in Texas and claimed it was a car in Texas, then we seen that exact car drive down the road in NewMexico i would be lieing. Because obviousely i don't have a picture of a car in Texas, it just drove down the road in NewMexico. This concept can't work my friend. The image we have of Jesus is of when he was on this earth, therefor not any image of him in heaven. the commandment said have no images of anything in Heaven ...so is Jesus in Heaven or what? Is an image of Jesus while he was on earth, i have no idea what he looks like in heaven, nor is the images of him in heaven. Nor are they graven, it specifically says graven for God doesn't want us to make any statues and worship the statues. This would be idolatry, which God forbids. |
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That's because you give us no other choice. If you won't believe what's in the bible, then why would you believe what a parable is if it was from the bible as well? I give you no choice? ....have I taken away your "Free Will" ....as I said...anything that is not the truth is a lie ....if parables are metaphoric...then it is not truth ...which means that Jesus was using parables to not tell the truth also you still didn't answer my question ....how many people in your life spoke in parables everytime they talked to you |
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God didn't hand his "power" over to Jesus, God only gave Jesus the right, ability, and knowledge to judge the world. as I said...anyone or everyone can have the power to judge the world but only God has the power to judge on judgement day ...you trying to give Jesus this power is you dismissing God So you're saying even though so and so is president of a country and this other person is the judge, they are dismissing the president? No my friend, God has just given Jesus that task to judge us, doesn't make God any less of a God, just makes him not the judge.......... that's all. |
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That's because you give us no other choice. If you won't believe what's in the bible, then why would you believe what a parable is if it was from the bible as well? I give you no choice? ....have I taken away your "Free Will" ....as I said...anything that is not the truth is a lie ....if parables are metaphoric...then it is not truth ...which means that Jesus was using parables to not tell the truth also you still didn't answer my question ....how many people in your life spoke in parables everytime they talked to you MOST EVERYONE DOES IN ONE WAY OR OTHER. - It's cold as ice out here - It's a furnace in here *it's hot in here* - It's hotter then the 4th of july - I'm as fat as a pig. ALL PARABLES. |
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