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This is a reminder to debate/discuss the topic/subject...not the poster(s). If this continues, the topic will be locked and warnings may be sent.
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Very true, i'm not trying to particularly turn people to the way i believe. And that is why i referance the verses that go with what i'm talking about, so that they'll be able to make their own view on it. I'm mainly just cracking the door open to God for those that don't see our father. Hoping i can strike enough thought into it and interest that they will look up the verses i post and the surrounding verses to check for context. Christianity does nothing but promote love, joy, and hope for after we pass away on this earth.
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Id ask him why it is that i always have a little pee after having a poo. Heck i can answere that for you lol. As the solid waste goes through your colon or whatever organ it passes through last if it's not the colon, it pushes pressure on your blatter causeing you to pee. i hate pressure on my blatter. Bet you typed that with a straight face!!!! 
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I see god all the time. In plants and trees, birds and bees, ocean and sky, moonlight, starlight and sunshine.
And hopefully you can see god in people too. Go look in the mirror. Can you see god now? |
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I see god all the time. In plants and trees, birds and bees, ocean and sky, moonlight, starlight and sunshine. And hopefully you can see god in people too. Go look in the mirror. Can you see god now? amen, very good and very true. |
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Their would likely be a decidedly nonjudgemental noting of my current status of excess intake of garlic, detectable by a distinct, profuse, intensely permeating, cloudlike aroma thereof - wafting straight up whatever best describes Sourced nasal features ...
Followed by a swift 'atta-girl' style pat on the back and congratulatory embrace for having enjoyed my meal and having paid attention to my own health promotion and sustaining of my longevity, while annoying all in my direct, downwind vicinity ... Of course, I could be like the rest of us here, merely remarking on a collective high - as if a motley crew, group hallucination... What a long strange ride it's been ...  Next stop Albuquerque ... Everyone out ...  ... Who put psychedelics in the water cooler this time?
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One question if you would answer it? What sect, denomination, whatever, do you view as "mainstream Christian Clergy"? It's totally unimportant to me. They are obviously so confused among themselves that it doesn't matter to me what labels they use. It's all just opinionated baloney. The only truly official version of Christianity that exists today is Catholicism. All forms of protestantism are clearly nothing more than the opinions of protesting heretics who have rejected the "Body of Christ" in form of the Catholic Church. Protestantism = Protesting. In the truest sense of the term I could officially call myself a "protestant" and simply "protest" against the idea that Jesus was "The Christ".  That's how SILLY Protestantism is. So Catholicism is really the only true form of Christianity left. And I thought that I and AndyBgood had proven to you that your view of Christianity was founded by mixing Christianity and paganism? There was a third also, a woman, except I forget who. So three people explaining the origins of the Roman Catholic Church, and providing links to external sources didn't convince you? How 'bout I use the Bible to convince you? 1. Jesus said "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9) What do they call a Catholic priest? 2. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me". Catholics pray to Mary, St. Jude, etc. 3. Crosses, statues, altars, etc. Idolotry, plain and simple... 4. X-mas and Easter. Both Pagan holidays... 5. Communion wafers - ritualistic cannabilism... 6. "The Lord's Prayer". Prayers should come from the heart, not a book... 7. Men, committees, whatever decided what goes into or was left out of their bibles. 8. The crusades. The Bible says to leave the unbelievers, not to waste time with them, so forcibly "converting" people to paganism is actually against the NT. 9. Confessions to a man. One is to confess their sins to God to be forgiven, not a mortal man. 10. Don't they still change their bible occasionaly??? 10b. Doesn't the "Pope" decide what is to be considered a "sin"??? (not sure about the last 2, but they could be grouped together I suppose) That's just a small example of how those that you consider to be "true" Christianity ignore what is actually written in the Bible. Now let's see what things aren't written that your version of "true" Christianity does or thinks. 1. The pope is considered "divine" and unquestionable. 2. The virgin birth. A prophecy from the OT had to be misinterpreted to support that pagan construct... 3. Trinity. Another pagan concept, I forget the name of their 3-headed god though... 4. "Sacrificial Lamb of God" Ba'al, one of the moon goddess' many husbands, was the one that was appeased by blood sacrifices to atone for sins. "Innocent" children were said to have more power in their blood than others, hence, a perfectly sinless man (Jesus) is part of that sick story... (When Jesus is/was refered to as a "Lamb", it is in contrast to that of a "Lion", representing his kind and gentle nature, NOT to a sacrificial lamb) 5. Unquestionable "authority" of the bible. The Bible actually tells us that we are supposed to discern and seek the truth. 6. People being said to be "condemned to hell". It's God's judgement, not man's to decide that fate. And Jesus does not want us to judge anyone unless we ourselves are perfect. Case in point: When the woman was brought before Jesus under the accusation of adultery, where was the man who was involved? Was it one of the ones who brought her? Did the men simply not care about the man and wanted to persecute the woman or catch Jesus making a poor judgement? They did not bring the man involved, so each one was guilty of bearing false witness (hiding the truth is a bad as lying about it). Well, I hope this convinces you that I was right when I said your view was paganism.  It's about time you stop believing what you've been told and start learning for yourself. If you knew more about Judaism, then I wouldn't be so sure that all you know about "Christianty" (paganism), was told to you by an individual. I'm sure that anyone who questions the accuracy of these statements will find sufficient evidence to see the light for themselves. |
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Their would likely be a decidedly nonjudgemental noting of my current status of excess intake of garlic, detectable by a distinct, profuse, intensely permeating, cloudlike aroma thereof - wafting straight up whatever best describes Sourced nasal features ... Followed by a swift 'atta-girl' style pat on the back and congratulatory embrace for having enjoyed my meal and having paid attention to my own health promotion and sustaining of my longevity, while annoying all in my direct, downwind vicinity ... Of course, I could be like the rest of us here, merely remarking on a collective high - as if a motley crew, group hallucination... What a long strange ride it's been ... Next stop Albuquerque ... Everyone out ... ... Who put psychedelics in the water cooler this time? Summer colds....  Ummmm....ooops....  I figured they could do with some enlightening up... 
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One question if you would answer it? What sect, denomination, whatever, do you view as "mainstream Christian Clergy"? It's totally unimportant to me. They are obviously so confused among themselves that it doesn't matter to me what labels they use. It's all just opinionated baloney. The only truly official version of Christianity that exists today is Catholicism. All forms of protestantism are clearly nothing more than the opinions of protesting heretics who have rejected the "Body of Christ" in form of the Catholic Church. Protestantism = Protesting. In the truest sense of the term I could officially call myself a "protestant" and simply "protest" against the idea that Jesus was "The Christ". That's how SILLY Protestantism is. So Catholicism is really the only true form of Christianity left. And I thought that I and AndyBgood had proven to you that your view of Christianity was founded by mixing Christianity and paganism? There was a third also, a woman, except I forget who. So three people explaining the origins of the Roman Catholic Church, and providing links to external sources didn't convince you? How 'bout I use the Bible to convince you? 1. Jesus said "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9) What do they call a Catholic priest? 2. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me". Catholics pray to Mary, St. Jude, etc. 3. Crosses, statues, altars, etc. Idolotry, plain and simple... 4. X-mas and Easter. Both Pagan holidays... 5. Communion wafers - ritualistic cannabilism... 6. "The Lord's Prayer". Prayers should come from the heart, not a book... 7. Men, committees, whatever decided what goes into or was left out of their bibles. 8. The crusades. The Bible says to leave the unbelievers, not to waste time with them, so forcibly "converting" people to paganism is actually against the NT. 9. Confessions to a man. One is to confess their sins to God to be forgiven, not a mortal man. 10. Don't they still change their bible occasionaly??? 10b. Doesn't the "Pope" decide what is to be considered a "sin"??? (not sure about the last 2, but they could be grouped together I suppose) That's just a small example of how those that you consider to be "true" Christianity ignore what is actually written in the Bible. Now let's see what things aren't written that your version of "true" Christianity does or thinks. 1. The pope is considered "divine" and unquestionable. 2. The virgin birth. A prophecy from the OT had to be misinterpreted to support that pagan construct... 3. Trinity. Another pagan concept, I forget the name of their 3-headed god though... 4. "Sacrificial Lamb of God" Ba'al, one of the moon goddess' many husbands, was the one that was appeased by blood sacrifices to atone for sins. "Innocent" children were said to have more power in their blood than others, hence, a perfectly sinless man (Jesus) is part of that sick story... (When Jesus is/was refered to as a "Lamb", it is in contrast to that of a "Lion", representing his kind and gentle nature, NOT to a sacrificial lamb) 5. Unquestionable "authority" of the bible. The Bible actually tells us that we are supposed to discern and seek the truth. 6. People being said to be "condemned to hell". It's God's judgement, not man's to decide that fate. And Jesus does not want us to judge anyone unless we ourselves are perfect. Case in point: When the woman was brought before Jesus under the accusation of adultery, where was the man who was involved? Was it one of the ones who brought her? Did the men simply not care about the man and wanted to persecute the woman or catch Jesus making a poor judgement? They did not bring the man involved, so each one was guilty of bearing false witness (hiding the truth is a bad as lying about it). Well, I hope this convinces you that I was right when I said your view was paganism. It's about time you stop believing what you've been told and start learning for yourself. If you knew more about Judaism, then I wouldn't be so sure that all you know about "Christianty" (paganism), was told to you by an individual. I'm sure that anyone who questions the accuracy of these statements will find sufficient evidence to see the light for themselves. =================================================== 1. Jesus said "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9) What do they call a Catholic priest? 2. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me". Catholics pray to Mary, St. Jude, etc. 3. Crosses, statues, altars, etc. Idolotry, plain and simple... 4. X-mas and Easter. Both Pagan holidays... 5. Communion wafers - ritualistic cannabilism... 6. "The Lord's Prayer". Prayers should come from the heart, not a book... 7. Men, committees, whatever decided what goes into or was left out of their bibles. 8. The crusades. The Bible says to leave the unbelievers, not to waste time with them, so forcibly "converting" people to paganism is actually against the NT. 9. Confessions to a man. One is to confess their sins to God to be forgiven, not a mortal man. 10. Don't they still change their bible occasionaly??? 10b. Doesn't the "Pope" decide what is to be considered a "sin"??? (not sure about the last 2, but they could be grouped together I suppose) ================================================== ------------------- 1. Jesus said "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one ------------------- The only ones that call someone father if i'm not mistaken is the Catholics. Christians don't call anyone father but our heavenly father, we don't even call our earthly dad father. For their is only one father. --------------------- 2. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me". Catholics pray to Mary, St. Jude, etc. --------------------- Again, referencing Catholics, Christians don't do as such. Christians pray to God through Jesus, because Jesus is the pathway, the way, the light, and the son of God. Nobody gets to God but through Jesus Christ. ------------------- 3. Crosses, statues, altars, etc. Idolotry, plain and simple... ------------------- We don't worship the crosses, the crosses are in memory of Jesus Christ. And no statues, God specifically tells us not to make any graven image. -------------------- 4. X-mas and Easter. Both Pagan holidays -------------------- Christmas is celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ. The birth of our savior. -------------------- 5. Communion wafers - ritualistic cannibalism -------------------- Not sure where you're getting the ritualistic cannibalism, Christians i know don't do that and as far as i know Catholics don't either. -------------------- 6. "The Lord's Prayer". Prayers should come from the heart, not a book --------------------- Yes very true, the lord's prayer is not specifically to be used by us. The lord's prayer is exactly that, one of the prayers Jesus did. --------------------- 7. Men, committees, whatever decided what goes into or was left out of their bibles. ---------------------- We didn't need to know EVERYTHING about Jesus' life. I don't need to know he pee'd on a tree over by the cow over yonder. The laws we are to live by are in the bible, and that is all we need. All other would just be history and almost pointless because it wouldn't help us in our salvation. ---------------------- 8. The crusades. The Bible says to leave the unbelievers, not to waste time with them, so forcibly "converting" people to paganism ---------------------- Now the crusades were wrong, no one should be "FORCED" to worship God. But does not say to leave the unbelievers cause we're wasting our time. We are to bring the word to them, but still nevertheless it is their choice weather they want to believe or not. We aren't to force anyone for anything. ---------------------- 9. Confessions to a man. One is to confess their sins to God to be forgiven, not a mortal man. ---------------------- Yes very true, even says to go to your closet in secret when you come to God. ----------------------- 10. Don't they still change their bible occasionaly??? 10b. Doesn't the "Pope" decide what is to be considered a "sin"??? (not sure about the last 2, but they could be grouped together I ------------------------ I do not particularly know of this. Maybe Catholic's bible does. But the holy bible does not, has been the same for eternity. And no, no man "decides" what is sin or not. Simplest way to put it is, going against God's will and what he wants us to do would be a sin. |
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Cowboy, all of those examples are about Catholicism. Abra made the claim: "So Catholicism is really the only true form of Christianity left".
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Cowboy, all of those examples are about Catholicism. Abra made the claim: "So Catholicism is really the only true form of Christianity left". I kinda figured so as i read through them. Just wanted to point out the general christian view in comparison to the catholic view for other people that may read this forum. |
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You know, I dropped a pretty big bomb there.
I'm surprised there haven't been any responses, good or bad... |
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You know, I dropped a pretty big bomb there. I'm surprised there haven't been any responses, good or bad... Very true, been a couple days even. |
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------------------- 1. Jesus said "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one ------------------- The only ones that call someone father if i'm not mistaken is the Catholics. Christians don't call anyone father but our heavenly father, we don't even call our earthly dad father. For their is only one father. perhaps Jesus and some non-Catholic Christians need to read the ten commandments ...God said to honor thy mother and father ..not to honor thy mother and dad ...this means that even God acknowledge that the one that sire you is your father ...it's called Fathering a child not daddy-ing a child ....those that choose not to think of the one that sire them as being their father is only an indication that they have some unresolved emotional baggage pertaining to their father and not referring to the male parent as the father is in fact dishonoring their father and breaking God's 5th commandment law to honor thy mother and father.....God if anything is a "play father" and shame on Jesus for suggesting not to call your father your father.. |
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2. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me". Catholics pray to Mary, St. Jude, etc. --------------------- Again, referencing Catholics, Christians don't do as such. Christians pray to God through Jesus, because Jesus is the pathway, the way, the light, and the son of God. Nobody gets to God but through Jesus Christ. to say that one needs to pray to Jesus to get to God only suggest that God is not omnipresent and therefore not a God .....this is why praying to Jesus is placing him before God thus breaking the 1st commandment ... |
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3. Crosses, statues, altars, etc. Idolotry, plain and simple... ------------------- We don't worship the crosses, the crosses are in memory of Jesus Christ. And no statues, God specifically tells us not to make any graven image. the cross is a graven image, especially the crosses that have Jesus nailed to them ...the cross is a method of execution that was use to cause the death of many people besides Jesus but yet it is used as a symbol that represent Jesus ....even Paul used it as a means to his death....this is why the cross has graven image status and why the cross breaks the 2nd commandment .... |
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5. Communion wafers - ritualistic cannibalism -------------------- Not sure where you're getting the ritualistic cannibalism, Christians i know don't do that and as far as i know Catholics don't either. eating of the flesh is cannibalism and drinking of the blood is vampirism ...it's just no way around this |
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Cowboy, all of those examples are about Catholicism. Abra made the claim: "So Catholicism is really the only true form of Christianity left". Catholicism is the only true form of Christianity, the rest of the sects believe that all they have to do is accept Jesus as their lord and savior and to hell with everything else, including to disregard the bible and the teachings of Jesus and choosing to commit sin and heathenous at every given opportunity .. the Catholic church should make it clear that to be a true christian means to be a catholic see what we have here is the failure to excommunicate |
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2. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me". Catholics pray to Mary, St. Jude, etc. --------------------- Again, referencing Catholics, Christians don't do as such. Christians pray to God through Jesus, because Jesus is the pathway, the way, the light, and the son of God. Nobody gets to God but through Jesus Christ. to say that one needs to pray to Jesus to get to God only suggest that God is not omnipresent and therefore not a God .....this is why praying to Jesus is placing him before God thus breaking the 1st commandment ... That's not saying that at all. Jesus said it himself, "The father and I are one". Therefor if you do not believe in Jesus you couldn't possibly believe in God. |
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2. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me". Catholics pray to Mary, St. Jude, etc. --------------------- Again, referencing Catholics, Christians don't do as such. Christians pray to God through Jesus, because Jesus is the pathway, the way, the light, and the son of God. Nobody gets to God but through Jesus Christ. to say that one needs to pray to Jesus to get to God only suggest that God is not omnipresent and therefore not a God .....this is why praying to Jesus is placing him before God thus breaking the 1st commandment ... That's not saying that at all. Jesus said it himself, "The father and I are one". Therefor if you do not believe in Jesus you couldn't possibly believe in God. people prayed to God long before Jesus showed up ....which is why you dont need Jesus to get to God ....try it....say "hey God" and God will hear you |
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