Except......wait for it......you are not the expert on how a Christian should live, right?

You are an expert on how you live in your Christianity.

Not the same for everyone and noone else is wrong either.

Proving validity of god or a bible with a bible is not really validation of anything except what the random book says.

I don't think anyone is arguing about what the authors of the New Testament are attempting to claim.

My stance is quite simple. My stance is that Jesus was not the son of Yahweh as the authors of the NT try to make a case for.

My stance is that the NT is clearly their party gossip and rumors and therefore cannot even be claime to be the 'words' of Jesus.

Thereore when you quote, "No man cometh unto the father but by me", you are not quoting Jesus, because Jesus himself never wrote anything down. What you are actually quoting is the hearsay rumors of people that clearly had an agenda to make divine claims about Jesus to suit their purpose.

What Jesus might have actually said could be quite different. For example Jesus may have actually said, "No man cometh unto the father but through an understanding of what I'm teaching".

Now THAT is an entirely different claim.

That would fit into my observation that Jesus was most likely a Mahayana Buddhist Bodhisattva who was teaching pantheism and not claiming to be any "Only begotten Son of Yawheh"

It wouldn't take much at all for people to misunderstand the teachings of Jesus. In fact, don't the gospels themselve often have Jesus telling his own diciples that even they aren't understanding what he's trying to teach them?

The men who wrote the New testament, may very well have "believed" that Jesus was the 'messiah' or "son of Yahweh". I don't doubt that.

In fact that very belief would indeed slant their views of what he might have been teaching.

So at best, all you have is a book that was written by men who were trying to spread their beliefs and opinions of what Jesus stood for, but that doesn't give any credence to the idea that their opinions should be pushed back onto Jesus. Jesus was dead by the time these stories were even written.

So quoting from the Bible in an attempt to claim that it 'proves' something is truly insane. Especially if you're attempting to SELL this as some sort of "absolute truth".

Face it, at the very best all you can do is tell other people that these authors convinved YOU. Period.

So now you have complete and total FAITH that those authors speak for Jesus and God and that Yahweh is God and that the entire Old Testament represents the word of God, etc.

Congradulations! You've found yourself a faith-based religion to BELIEVE in.

But not to try to SELL it to other people as the "absolute truth" only shows that you haven't fully comprehended that all you really have is FAITH in the authors of a Book.

And as far as I'm concerned you've already exhibited that you have absolutely NO FAITH in God's ability to save his own childern because you seem to feel that God needs YOUR HELP.

You have less faith in our creator than I have. At least I have faith that our creator doesn't need my help to do anything. She is more than capable of doing whatever She so desires.

I'm sorry to hear that you see God as being inept and in dire need of your assistence.

LOL, denial, deflection and refusal to provide evidence.

All I'm doing is pointing out the "utterly ignorant and stupid flaws" of your claims and opinions. It's not my fault you've been brain-washed so badly you can't make make sense of very simple English.

You can try to place the blame on CowboyGH and whoever else you want, I'll be there to point out the FACT that it is YOU who is preaching incessantly, arrogantly, blindly and redundantly.

I see no one here doing the things you claim, I don't suppose you have any proof, huh?

Jesus would not care if you believed in him. Jesus believed only in
the Hebrew God. Jesus believed that all good people would be redeemed.
Therefore your interpretation is wrong. Jesus was not exclusionary
but inclusionary and would not demand deference to himself. And God
really does not care what religion you are anyway.

"What are you doing?"
"I'm God."
"Haha. Right."

again this verse goes well with this and explain it is important to believe in him as well.


John 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Clearly you haven't been following the conversation closely enough.

Cowboy has indeed proclaimed that his opinions represent "absolute truth"

So his confession has already been given.

Cowboy also renounces the concept of "Hell". However, the mainstream Christian Clergy have already proclaimed Bishop Carlton Pearson to be a "heretic" for having renounced their concept of "Hell". So I have no doubt that mainstream Christian Clergy would renounce Cowboy as being a "heretic" as well.

So clearly Cowboy's opinions about the Bible don't represent "Christianity" anyway.

Slowhand's comment are far more in line with the moral values that Jesus actually taught.

And the verses the Cowboy keeps digging out of the Bible are clearly selected by him to support his bigoted religious views.

That's the problem with the New Testament. Those authors used a dead Jesus like a marionette doll to spew their religious bigotry. I seriously doubt that Jesus would support their hearsay rumors.

It just doesn't fit into the overall persona that was reflected in the main moral teachings of Jesus.

Keep in mind that the Bible was written by religious bigots, not by Jesus.

The Bible doesn't contain a single solitary word from Jesus. All it contains is bigoted hearsay rumors by mere mortals no different from Cowboy himself. They have no clout to speak for Jesus.

EVERYTHING i say and claim, i back up with a verse or two. So in no way could my view on things be "out there". It's straight from the bible, in context and everything.

So?

Evidently you aren't comprehending what I've been saying this entire thread.

I don't believe that the Bible represents the word of God. Nor do I believe that the New Testament can be trusted to speak for Jesus.

So when you quote from the Bible you may as well be quoting from a comic book as far as I'm concerned.

You just don't get it.

I don't place my faith in the authors of the Bible. Therefore you can quote those idiots until you are blue in the face and it's utterly meaningless garbage to me. They contradict themselves on every other page as I've shown countless times.

Plus like I say, modern Christian Clergy would renounce you as a heretic just the same as they renounced Bishop Carlton Pearson.

So as far as I'm concerned, you're not even a valid spokesperson for "Christianity". You're a heretic.

So if you were in a discussion about atoms, someone couldn't quote out of a book that discussed atoms? If you don't believe in that object it makes it completely stupid and no way true? You're not opening you're heart and mind into discussions, you remind me of a race horse with blinders on only seeing what he wants to see in front of him and aren't looking at what's obviousely around him.

Well, I think we're even on that one.

I feel that I've taken the blinders off many years ago can did in fact look around. And what I saw is that the Bible as a whole makes no sense. It also become crystal clear to me that the authors of the New Testament clearly had an agenda to make Jesus out to appear to somehow be the "sacrificial lamb" of Yahweh.

So I took the blinders off and looked at the BIGGER PICTURE and asked if it makes any sense. I could clearly see without my blinders on that it makes absolutely no sense at all. None whatsoever.

You'd have to believe in a God who appeased himself by having his only begotten son nailed to a pole.

That in and of itself is an utterly absurd notion.

The only other thing that would make sense is if he did it to appease Satan. But that would suggest that Satan is a real threat to God and needs to be appeased. Christians won't stand for giving Satan that much power.

Therefore they are stuck with a God who appeased himself via gory sadistic (or masochistic) means.

Therefore the religion as claimed by the authors of the New Testament cannot possibly be true.

Also, whilst I had the blinders off, I looked around at other religions and came to the startling conclusion that Jesus was obviously teaching Buddhism and not the ways of Yahweh.

So if you ever get around to taking your blinders off, perhaps you'll see these truths too.

Oh, by the way, you say:


Well, you fell right into a hole with that one didn't you?

If I were in a discussion about atoms I would consider everything that all scientists have to say. I wouldn't focus on just the limited opinion of a single view from a single scientist or close group of biased scientists.

But that's precisely what YOU are doing. You have your head shoved so far into the Bible that you are completely unaware of the BIGGER PICTURE OF REALITY that's all around you.

So you seem to have some idea of what is required to remove your blinders, but you still refuse to remove them and you keep trying to get everyone else to wear them along with you.

No thanks. I took my blinders off many years ago and I have no intention of putting them back on, for you, or anyone else.

"You'd have to believe in a God who appeased himself by having his only begotten son nailed to a pole. "

God didn't do this. We the people of this earth did this. It didn't appease God with the actual act of being crucified. What pleased God was how Jesus lived his life. Jesus lived his life to teach the world and to uplift God in EVERYTHING he did. That was his sacrifice, he sacrificed his life in not living it for himself but for the world. Which is what our father was pleased with. That and the fact that Jesus kept going even though he was going to be sacrificed, think about it if someone could do the miracles Jesus did, you think anything could have really stopped Jesus from leaving that place? But again the sacrifice was his entire life and what he did for it, he did not marry, he did not have kids, he did NOTHING to have a life for his own. His ENTIRE life was for our father.

LMAO!!!

How soon you forget (or deny)...
Your claim was that CowboyGH was "proselytizing". It's obvious to the Mingle comunity that it is Abra who is doing all the "proselytizing". This much is KNOWN by all as a FACT. (of course no proof is needed as this is well-known to be true)

Take your entire previous post and replace "Cowboy" with "Abra". Clearly, any sane person would see that it would describe you. (I truly hope you get the satirical humor of these 2 paragraphs)

I love your appeal to authority, "mainstream Christian Clergy". I really am surprised that you would appeal to s1owhand though. I can't speak for s1owhand, but it's my opinion that he is constantly trying to point you in the right direction. A direction that you respond positively towards, yet 10 minutes later act like you really didn't understand anything.

"Slowhand's comment are far more in line with the moral values that Jesus actually taught." I agree with that statement, would you like to retract it now???


One question if you would answer it? What sect, denomination, whatever, do you view as "mainstream Christian Clergy"?

I'm glad that you have found something you are happy to believe in Cowboy.

Truly I am. The only sad thing about it appears to be that it puts you at odds with anyone who doesn't believe in it because you have come to feel that it's important that everyone believe it.

As a human being I can't loan my support to what I see as a mythology that teaches archaic principles such as using punishment as a valid means of mentoring children.

I just can't support those kinds of negative ideals in the name of a God.

Sorry.

To me, it's not just a mythology, but it's not even a good mythology. It's a very poor example of moral values and mentoring methods, IMHO.

So I must renounce it and cannot give my support to it. It's simply too ignorant and violent to be worthy of my support.

That's just the way things are.

It doesn't teach violence as valid punishment for children. It tells us to spare the rod. And it doesn't put me at odds with anyone, and it doesn't matter to me if anyone wants to believe in the bible. Doesn't effect my salvation one bit. Nor will it ever. I do this out of kindess and love for others. Has nothing to do with me nor what i specifically believe in.

It's totally unimportant to me. They are obviously so confused among themselves that it doesn't matter to me what labels they use. It's all just opinionated baloney.

The only truly official version of Christianity that exists today is Catholicism. All forms of protestantism are clearly nothing more than the opinions of protesting heretics who have rejected the "Body of Christ" in form of the Catholic Church.

Protestantism = Protesting.

In the truest sense of the term I could officially call myself a "protestant" and simply "protest" against the idea that Jesus was "The Christ".

That's how SILLY Protestantism is.

So Catholicism is really the only true form of Christianity left.

Id ask him why it is that i always have a little pee after having a poo.

Heck i can answere that for you lol. As the solid waste goes through your colon or whatever organ it passes through last if it's not the colon, it pushes pressure on your blatter causeing you to pee.

i hate pressure on my blatter.