IMO, the only thing CowboyGH believes "completely and foolishly" is that there are intelligent people to discuss religion with.

So he and I have something in common it seems.

Your description here of a God who 'loses nothing' if he loses his childern to eternal damnation or even just to spiritual death is a picture of a totally unloving and uncaring God.

As a parent, if you were to 'loose' your childern to a horrible fate would you say that you have lost 'nothing'?

That would imply that you couldn't care less about your children or their fate.

If that's your idea of a parent who "loves" their children then it's now wonder you worship this picture of a totally loveless uncaring God.

A truly "loving" God who loses the vast majority of his childern to eternal damanation or even to just perishing, is indeed a "loser" God.

All you're suggesting here is that your biblical God doesn't give a crap about anyone but himself.

I think you're looking at it the wrong way...

God is not playing our little game of life. How can one lose if they're not playing?

The winners and losers are us, man-kind, humans.

Can you explain to me what is so intelligent about worshiping a totally uncaring and unloving God who doesn't even care what happens to his own children?

Can you explain to me what is so intelligent about beliving in a picture of a God who never uses wise constructive methods to solve any problems, but instead always uses gory violent methods like drowning people out and having people nailed to poles?

Can you explain to me what is so intelligent about wanting to put your FAITH in an unproven and grossly absurd picture of a God that claims that you are at odds with God and are unworthy of his love and the only way you can quality for his "Grace" is to condone the idea that he had his son nailed to a pole to pay for the "Grace"?



Please tell me what's so 'intelligent' about this picture of God?

There is NO ETERNAL DAMNATION!! You either recieve the gift of heaven/eternal life. Or you cease to exist. No punishment NOTHING.

Since you admit to not being informed about Judaism, you really have no education except for that of Paganism.

Even with that limited knowledge, I hear alot of conjecture and rumors but still no proof.

So?

Are you telling me that if you lose a child to death you haven't lost anything?

DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH!!!

I never once said anything about any eternal damnation. No one will or ever has gone to hell for anything they did on earth. Hell was not made for mankind. You either earn the gift of heaven/eternal life, or you cease to exist, THAT'S ALL. There is no eternal damnation and or punishment other the ceasing to exist.

I'm not preaching or supporting any other religions in this thread.

All I'm pointing out is the obvious fact that the biblical picture of God is necessarily a picture of an uncaring and utterly stupid God. That is a given by the biblical story. The biblical story demands that these things must be true of the God that it portrays.

No other religions need to even come into the picture.

You are only a child of God if you let God into your heart. If you accept God as father and Jesus as the only begotten child of God. Other then that you're a shell with no soul.

Demands and claims without proof are simply conjecture.

If you say the Bible demands this or demands that, it should be simple to provide proof of those demands.

Don't worry, I still don't expect proof...

Yeah right.

So do you view your childern as 'souless empty bodies' then?

No that is why those people will cease to exist and Jesus will say leave me for i know you not.

Luke 13:27
But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

The 'proofs' in the Bible are obvious to anyone who even has the slightest knowledge of the story.

God created man. Man fell from grace.
(no proof required, it's just the basic story)

God tried to teach man moral values by using inept methods
(want proof that this God's methods were inept? No problem just keep reading the to my next observation)

The vast majority of God's children did not learn good moral values from God's teaching methods and God had to flood the vast majority of them off the planet, see the biblical story of Noah.
(i.e proof positive within the very story that God's method of teaching his children good morals doesn't work

Continue reading the Bible,...

God had saved a very few 'righteous' humans and tried raising again. But God never seemed to have learned from his mistakes and continued to fail to teach his children via his inept teaching methods. And that bring us to the supposed need to send his son to intervene physical in his teaching methods.

Jesus came and taught love and good morals using somewhat sensible methods of mentoring. However, the nasty behavior of his Father seem to well up even within him from time to time. He ranted on publically calling the Scribes and Pharisees hypocrites and putting down the religious authorities of the day. Then he lost his temper and actually became physically VIOLENT again making a scene over turning tables in a chuch no less.

Then he was crucified, which the Bible demands was part of God's plan to offer us his "Grace". Offering "Grace" via a violent and bloody crucifixion?

There's your proof that this God can't even begin to break his obscession for violence, blood and guts.

Also, it's proof that God's teachings methods didn't work up to the Great Flood, and they contained to be ineffective up to the life of Jesus. AND, just by looking around at the world today we can see that God's teaching methods STILL haven't be effective to this very day.

What more "proof" do you need? The bibilical story is itself iron-clad proof that the biblical God is a horrible mentor and teacher who can't even communicate well at all with his very own creation.

The bible is it's own proof of the total ineptitude of the God it portrays.

Workers of iniquity refers to wicked people. Has nothing to do with believing in any specific mythologies or religions.

This is where Chrsitianity got so far off track and shot itself in the foot. The original mythology was supposed to indeed be about 'workers of iniquity'. But then the Christians came along and stole the mythology and decided to make it all about the idea of accepting that Jesus is the Son of God.

The Christians themselves were the "workers of iniquity" when they voted to create the cannon called the "New Testament" and blasphemed themselves by proclaiming that their collection of stories is the "word of God".

Now they use their dogma to spread hate and division throughout the world in the name of Jesus Christ.

Wicked people = denying the lord our God, refusing to follow his commandments our father has set out before us, and could go into more detail but this sums it up pretty good.

Christianity in nooooooooo way spreads hate or division. What is one example of this accusation?

And no references of stoning will work. For that no longer applies to us. We are NOT to judge anyone anmore for Jesus is the judge of all. But if you have an example of promoting hatred outside of that i would sure love to hear it.

Ummm, proof would have been if you cited a verse to support your insane, utterly absurd view of the Bible.

Using a bible to verify the validity of the bible is ludicrous.