Topic: Blame the tool or blame the person using it?
franshade's photo
Fri 06/11/10 11:07 AM



Criminals are going to be criminals but if they can't steal a gun and there is a shortage because people were more responsible with them, it may help some.

Also I believe if we change the archaic ideal that guns are the "answer" to everything, which is one of the problems this country has to begin with, we will see a change in people in general.

We will outgrow the need for them as we evolve.



I would not be willing to take any mental test (for I think those that need constant reassurance have their own mental issues (jmo)), as bearing arms is a right not a privilege.


I find it interesting that, though I do not need any weapons, it is a right yet I need my car for work/food/social/emerg. and yet it is only a privilege. Sorry, I am still a bit miffed I paid a $77 fine for not having my license on me and driving my sisters car (while she ate... she was hungry and I was eager to get home) with a bad sticker.

Only weapon I do have BTW is an old breakdown shotgun single shot 20 gauge that kicks harder than anything I have ever fired. Was handed down from my fathers father to my father when he was 8, and it passed to me when I was 12.

Hi Terminal - I understand but it is what it is.

Did they not reduce the amount of the fine when you produced the info requested? That sucks, sorry.

Terminal1's photo
Fri 06/11/10 11:14 AM




Criminals are going to be criminals but if they can't steal a gun and there is a shortage because people were more responsible with them, it may help some.

Also I believe if we change the archaic ideal that guns are the "answer" to everything, which is one of the problems this country has to begin with, we will see a change in people in general.

We will outgrow the need for them as we evolve.



I would not be willing to take any mental test (for I think those that need constant reassurance have their own mental issues (jmo)), as bearing arms is a right not a privilege.


I find it interesting that, though I do not need any weapons, it is a right yet I need my car for work/food/social/emerg. and yet it is only a privilege. Sorry, I am still a bit miffed I paid a $77 fine for not having my license on me and driving my sisters car (while she ate... she was hungry and I was eager to get home) with a bad sticker.

Only weapon I do have BTW is an old breakdown shotgun single shot 20 gauge that kicks harder than anything I have ever fired. Was handed down from my fathers father to my father when he was 8, and it passed to me when I was 12.

Hi Terminal - I understand but it is what it is.

Did they not reduce the amount of the fine when you produced the info requested? That sucks, sorry.


The cop knew I was me. I gave him all the pertinent information, Address, SSN# and the like. He came back from his car saying that he knew I was me and I asked why. Those laptops in cop cars apparently can bring up your DMV picture and that is how he knew I was me.

No disrespect to my sister, but damnit... She got away scot free without a ticket on her "dated" inspection sticker and got off with a warning and here I catch a ticket for not having my license on me while driving. She made it straight though. She reimbursed my fine later on.

franshade's photo
Fri 06/11/10 11:16 AM





Criminals are going to be criminals but if they can't steal a gun and there is a shortage because people were more responsible with them, it may help some.

Also I believe if we change the archaic ideal that guns are the "answer" to everything, which is one of the problems this country has to begin with, we will see a change in people in general.

We will outgrow the need for them as we evolve.



I would not be willing to take any mental test (for I think those that need constant reassurance have their own mental issues (jmo)), as bearing arms is a right not a privilege.


I find it interesting that, though I do not need any weapons, it is a right yet I need my car for work/food/social/emerg. and yet it is only a privilege. Sorry, I am still a bit miffed I paid a $77 fine for not having my license on me and driving my sisters car (while she ate... she was hungry and I was eager to get home) with a bad sticker.

Only weapon I do have BTW is an old breakdown shotgun single shot 20 gauge that kicks harder than anything I have ever fired. Was handed down from my fathers father to my father when he was 8, and it passed to me when I was 12.

Hi Terminal - I understand but it is what it is.

Did they not reduce the amount of the fine when you produced the info requested? That sucks, sorry.


The cop knew I was me. I gave him all the pertinent information, Address, SSN# and the like. He came back from his car saying that he knew I was me and I asked why. Those laptops in cop cars apparently can bring up your DMV picture and that is how he knew I was me.

No disrespect to my sister, but damnit... She got away scot free without a ticket on her "dated" inspection sticker and got off with a warning and here I catch a ticket for not having my license on me while driving. She made it straight though. She reimbursed my fine later on.


glad to hear :thumbsup:

Terminal1's photo
Fri 06/11/10 11:19 AM




Criminals are going to be criminals but if they can't steal a gun and there is a shortage because people were more responsible with them, it may help some.

Also I believe if we change the archaic ideal that guns are the "answer" to everything, which is one of the problems this country has to begin with, we will see a change in people in general.

We will outgrow the need for them as we evolve.



I would not be willing to take any mental test (for I think those that need constant reassurance have their own mental issues (jmo)), as bearing arms is a right not a privilege.


I find it interesting that, though I do not need any weapons, it is a right yet I need my car for work/food/social/emerg. and yet it is only a privilege. Sorry, I am still a bit miffed I paid a $77 fine for not having my license on me and driving my sisters car (while she ate... she was hungry and I was eager to get home) with a bad sticker.

Only weapon I do have BTW is an old breakdown shotgun single shot 20 gauge that kicks harder than anything I have ever fired. Was handed down from my fathers father to my father when he was 8, and it passed to me when I was 12.


In a home invasion it is more than enough. Just be ready to use it if you ever have to bring it to bear on someone. the thing is that owning a gun is not a big thing. the weapon you have is a family heirloom and possibly worth some money to a collector. Personally I want to get into Black Powder hunting. One shot is all you get!


Well... I don't have it here actually. I have it locked up at my fathers place alongside the rifles and shotguns he had won on punch boards when he was working.

I really don't think I have to worry about any home invasion. Not only do I live in a very tight community, there are better looking homes to choose from than mine along our solitary street lol.


Terminal1's photo
Fri 06/11/10 11:21 AM



glad to hear :thumbsup:


:D ty

Dragoness's photo
Fri 06/11/10 12:03 PM


Trying to find the stats on how many legal gun owners commit gun crimes is almost impossible but I know it happens.


PURE UNADULTERATED MELARCHY! That information is out there. Oddly the legal vs illegal crime statistics have a VAST disparity. Given time I can find all of that information. And your comment about the NRA is unfounded and also opinion, not fact. Thank god the NRA exists! I wish the NAACP and ACLU would go away! At least ACORN is dead!

And again you will not define "Legal" Buffoonery?

Tisk Tisk! Bad form again!

So we should repress education and gun safety training like so many of you "Regulation" advocates have done already? You are aware that the topic of gun safety cannot even be discussed in classrooms here even in colleges?

I think the legal buffoonery going on is your haphazard quest to strangle weapon ownership under the color of your personal beliefs only. What you want makes no sense at all. It only confuses the problem, and issue more!

Again fear is not the answer and yet you seem to chose that path!

One more time and it is all in small words,

What is your definition of legal buffoonery? Gun shows? Target Shooting events? Reenactment? Militias? Branch Dividian's, Janet Reno and the BATF?

OH PLEASE! I AM SO EAGER TO HEAR YOUR ANSWER!

So far you are just disappointing me.


We have a common ground, disappointment in each other.

Show me the stats that I asked for since you know where they are and noone else can find them

I need the legal gun owner gun crimes committed in this country per year.

I need the yearly times that a gun manned or unmanned goes off and hurt or kills someone.

I need the stats of how many children hurt or kill others when they get ahold of a legal gun owners gun.

I need to know how many firearms are stolen each year that end up involved in a crime later.

Can you help a disappointed and frustrated person out?

I bet not.

Legal gun owner baffoonery is when a legal gun owner brandishes a gun to impose their will onto others, when a drunk individual gets their gun and acts a fool with it, when a legal gun owner brandishes his weapon to impose road rage on someone, when a legal gun owner usually drunk, lets their children play with a gun because it is a good learning experience for them, etc... the list goes on and on

Mental health exams are needed, restrictions on any crime is needed, restrictions for militant or anti government involvement is needed and restrictions for stolen and lost weapons are needed.

Once that happens we will have done all we can until people outgrow the false need of guns.


franshade's photo
Fri 06/11/10 12:08 PM
Once that happens we will have done all we can until people outgrow the false need of guns.


Nothing false about my wanting, buying, owning, or carrying my gun waving

no photo
Fri 06/11/10 12:43 PM
Legal gun owner baffoonery is when a legal gun owner brandishes a gun to impose their will onto others, when a drunk individual gets their gun and acts a fool with it, when a legal gun owner brandishes his weapon to impose road rage on someone, when a legal gun owner usually drunk, lets their children play with a gun because it is a good learning experience for them, etc... the list goes on and on


how about we just outlaw drinking alcohol ? works for me...

franshade's photo
Fri 06/11/10 12:50 PM

Legal gun owner baffoonery is when a legal gun owner brandishes a gun to impose their will onto others, when a drunk individual gets their gun and acts a fool with it, when a legal gun owner brandishes his weapon to impose road rage on someone, when a legal gun owner usually drunk, lets their children play with a gun because it is a good learning experience for them, etc... the list goes on and on


how about we just outlaw drinking alcohol ? works for me...

hell that's when my shooting gets better and my eyes can focus betterererer :wink:


willing2's photo
Fri 06/11/10 12:53 PM

Once that happens we will have done all we can until people outgrow the false need of guns.


Nothing false about my wanting, buying, owning, or carrying my gun waving

You hear the one where a woman attempted a rape on a man at gunpoint?

She held a gun to his head and demanded he sex her.

He said,"OK. But, don't expect much under the circumstances.":wink:

franshade's photo
Fri 06/11/10 12:54 PM


Once that happens we will have done all we can until people outgrow the false need of guns.


Nothing false about my wanting, buying, owning, or carrying my gun waving

You hear the one where a woman attempted a rape on a man at gunpoint?

She held a gun to his head and demanded he sex her.

He said,"OK. But, don't expect much under the circumstances.":wink:



((((willing)))) :laughing: and that was before she showed him the gun??? :laughing:

no photo
Fri 06/11/10 12:56 PM


Legal gun owner baffoonery is when a legal gun owner brandishes a gun to impose their will onto others, when a drunk individual gets their gun and acts a fool with it, when a legal gun owner brandishes his weapon to impose road rage on someone, when a legal gun owner usually drunk, lets their children play with a gun because it is a good learning experience for them, etc... the list goes on and on


how about we just outlaw drinking alcohol ? works for me...

hell that's when my shooting gets better and my eyes can focus betterererer :wink:


shocked OH CHIT rofl

willing2's photo
Fri 06/11/10 12:57 PM



Once that happens we will have done all we can until people outgrow the false need of guns.


Nothing false about my wanting, buying, owning, or carrying my gun waving

You hear the one where a woman attempted a rape on a man at gunpoint?

She held a gun to his head and demanded he sex her.

He said,"OK. But, don't expect much under the circumstances.":wink:



((((willing)))) :laughing: and that was before she showed him the gun??? :laughing:

AH HA!!!

Now I, I mean he, knows who that other gal with her was!laugh laugh laugh

heavenlyboy34's photo
Fri 06/11/10 01:02 PM



Trying to find the stats on how many legal gun owners commit gun crimes is almost impossible but I know it happens.


PURE UNADULTERATED MELARCHY! That information is out there. Oddly the legal vs illegal crime statistics have a VAST disparity. Given time I can find all of that information. And your comment about the NRA is unfounded and also opinion, not fact. Thank god the NRA exists! I wish the NAACP and ACLU would go away! At least ACORN is dead!

And again you will not define "Legal" Buffoonery?

Tisk Tisk! Bad form again!

So we should repress education and gun safety training like so many of you "Regulation" advocates have done already? You are aware that the topic of gun safety cannot even be discussed in classrooms here even in colleges?

I think the legal buffoonery going on is your haphazard quest to strangle weapon ownership under the color of your personal beliefs only. What you want makes no sense at all. It only confuses the problem, and issue more!

Again fear is not the answer and yet you seem to chose that path!

One more time and it is all in small words,

What is your definition of legal buffoonery? Gun shows? Target Shooting events? Reenactment? Militias? Branch Dividian's, Janet Reno and the BATF?

OH PLEASE! I AM SO EAGER TO HEAR YOUR ANSWER!

So far you are just disappointing me.


We have a common ground, disappointment in each other.

Show me the stats that I asked for since you know where they are and noone else can find them

I need the legal gun owner gun crimes committed in this country per year.

I need the yearly times that a gun manned or unmanned goes off and hurt or kills someone.

I need the stats of how many children hurt or kill others when they get ahold of a legal gun owners gun.

I need to know how many firearms are stolen each year that end up involved in a crime later.

Can you help a disappointed and frustrated person out?

I bet not.

Legal gun owner baffoonery is when a legal gun owner brandishes a gun to impose their will onto others, when a drunk individual gets their gun and acts a fool with it, when a legal gun owner brandishes his weapon to impose road rage on someone, when a legal gun owner usually drunk, lets their children play with a gun because it is a good learning experience for them, etc... the list goes on and on

Mental health exams are needed, restrictions on any crime is needed, restrictions for militant or anti government involvement is needed and restrictions for stolen and lost weapons are needed.

Once that happens we will have done all we can until people outgrow the false need of guns.




There's no need to limit any-government or militant groups. The second ammendment is designed to protect these groups, because they knew psychopaths like Bush and Obama need to be reigned in by threat of force on occasion. (you have apparently forgotten your reading assignment-"More Guns, Less Crime", by John Lott)

Dragoness's photo
Fri 06/11/10 01:44 PM




Trying to find the stats on how many legal gun owners commit gun crimes is almost impossible but I know it happens.


PURE UNADULTERATED MELARCHY! That information is out there. Oddly the legal vs illegal crime statistics have a VAST disparity. Given time I can find all of that information. And your comment about the NRA is unfounded and also opinion, not fact. Thank god the NRA exists! I wish the NAACP and ACLU would go away! At least ACORN is dead!

And again you will not define "Legal" Buffoonery?

Tisk Tisk! Bad form again!

So we should repress education and gun safety training like so many of you "Regulation" advocates have done already? You are aware that the topic of gun safety cannot even be discussed in classrooms here even in colleges?

I think the legal buffoonery going on is your haphazard quest to strangle weapon ownership under the color of your personal beliefs only. What you want makes no sense at all. It only confuses the problem, and issue more!

Again fear is not the answer and yet you seem to chose that path!

One more time and it is all in small words,

What is your definition of legal buffoonery? Gun shows? Target Shooting events? Reenactment? Militias? Branch Dividian's, Janet Reno and the BATF?

OH PLEASE! I AM SO EAGER TO HEAR YOUR ANSWER!

So far you are just disappointing me.


We have a common ground, disappointment in each other.

Show me the stats that I asked for since you know where they are and noone else can find them

I need the legal gun owner gun crimes committed in this country per year.

I need the yearly times that a gun manned or unmanned goes off and hurt or kills someone.

I need the stats of how many children hurt or kill others when they get ahold of a legal gun owners gun.

I need to know how many firearms are stolen each year that end up involved in a crime later.

Can you help a disappointed and frustrated person out?

I bet not.

Legal gun owner baffoonery is when a legal gun owner brandishes a gun to impose their will onto others, when a drunk individual gets their gun and acts a fool with it, when a legal gun owner brandishes his weapon to impose road rage on someone, when a legal gun owner usually drunk, lets their children play with a gun because it is a good learning experience for them, etc... the list goes on and on

Mental health exams are needed, restrictions on any crime is needed, restrictions for militant or anti government involvement is needed and restrictions for stolen and lost weapons are needed.

Once that happens we will have done all we can until people outgrow the false need of guns.




There's no need to limit any-government or militant groups. The second ammendment is designed to protect these groups, because they knew psychopaths like Bush and Obama need to be reigned in by threat of force on occasion. (you have apparently forgotten your reading assignment-"More Guns, Less Crime", by John Lott)



Your assignment is like taking me back to 5th grade, I am way past that in intelligence.

Yes anti government groups need to be gunless. There are better ways to get a point across than with a gun. We are not in the old west anymore.

metalwing's photo
Fri 06/11/10 01:54 PM
I wonder what would have happened after the Bill of rights was signed if the government immediately started banning guns under the excuse that "Muskets are OK but rifled barrels are strictly for killing people so they should be banned". Or "telescopic sights should be banned" as not being part of a weapon but increasing it's killing power. Perhaps smokeless powder could have been banned as "increasing killing ability unnecessarily". Revolvers, with their extra killing shots could have been banned as "assault weapons" as could the Winchester rifle.

Oh! That's right. We didn't have anyone that stupid in office.

Kleisto's photo
Fri 06/11/10 01:58 PM





Trying to find the stats on how many legal gun owners commit gun crimes is almost impossible but I know it happens.


PURE UNADULTERATED MELARCHY! That information is out there. Oddly the legal vs illegal crime statistics have a VAST disparity. Given time I can find all of that information. And your comment about the NRA is unfounded and also opinion, not fact. Thank god the NRA exists! I wish the NAACP and ACLU would go away! At least ACORN is dead!

And again you will not define "Legal" Buffoonery?

Tisk Tisk! Bad form again!

So we should repress education and gun safety training like so many of you "Regulation" advocates have done already? You are aware that the topic of gun safety cannot even be discussed in classrooms here even in colleges?

I think the legal buffoonery going on is your haphazard quest to strangle weapon ownership under the color of your personal beliefs only. What you want makes no sense at all. It only confuses the problem, and issue more!

Again fear is not the answer and yet you seem to chose that path!

One more time and it is all in small words,

What is your definition of legal buffoonery? Gun shows? Target Shooting events? Reenactment? Militias? Branch Dividian's, Janet Reno and the BATF?

OH PLEASE! I AM SO EAGER TO HEAR YOUR ANSWER!

So far you are just disappointing me.


We have a common ground, disappointment in each other.

Show me the stats that I asked for since you know where they are and noone else can find them

I need the legal gun owner gun crimes committed in this country per year.

I need the yearly times that a gun manned or unmanned goes off and hurt or kills someone.

I need the stats of how many children hurt or kill others when they get ahold of a legal gun owners gun.

I need to know how many firearms are stolen each year that end up involved in a crime later.

Can you help a disappointed and frustrated person out?

I bet not.

Legal gun owner baffoonery is when a legal gun owner brandishes a gun to impose their will onto others, when a drunk individual gets their gun and acts a fool with it, when a legal gun owner brandishes his weapon to impose road rage on someone, when a legal gun owner usually drunk, lets their children play with a gun because it is a good learning experience for them, etc... the list goes on and on

Mental health exams are needed, restrictions on any crime is needed, restrictions for militant or anti government involvement is needed and restrictions for stolen and lost weapons are needed.

Once that happens we will have done all we can until people outgrow the false need of guns.




There's no need to limit any-government or militant groups. The second ammendment is designed to protect these groups, because they knew psychopaths like Bush and Obama need to be reigned in by threat of force on occasion. (you have apparently forgotten your reading assignment-"More Guns, Less Crime", by John Lott)



Your assignment is like taking me back to 5th grade, I am way past that in intelligence.

Yes anti government groups need to be gunless. There are better ways to get a point across than with a gun. We are not in the old west anymore.


Perhaps not, but consider this. If those people who are anti-government, meaning they are the ones willing to fight back against the powers that be if they needed to do so, if they have no guns, what's gonna happen when they're faced with these people at their doors making demands of them? Don't think it won't happen either.

The whole reason the government wants to get us to give up our guns, is so that when the time comes where they start coming for us, we won't have anything to protect ourselves with, and will be left defenseless when faced with armed people.

Must always ask yourself, when the government is pushing something so heavily, what do they stand to gain? That's what it comes down to in the end. They never push for something unless there is something in it for them, in the form of control.

Dragoness's photo
Fri 06/11/10 02:02 PM






Trying to find the stats on how many legal gun owners commit gun crimes is almost impossible but I know it happens.


PURE UNADULTERATED MELARCHY! That information is out there. Oddly the legal vs illegal crime statistics have a VAST disparity. Given time I can find all of that information. And your comment about the NRA is unfounded and also opinion, not fact. Thank god the NRA exists! I wish the NAACP and ACLU would go away! At least ACORN is dead!

And again you will not define "Legal" Buffoonery?

Tisk Tisk! Bad form again!

So we should repress education and gun safety training like so many of you "Regulation" advocates have done already? You are aware that the topic of gun safety cannot even be discussed in classrooms here even in colleges?

I think the legal buffoonery going on is your haphazard quest to strangle weapon ownership under the color of your personal beliefs only. What you want makes no sense at all. It only confuses the problem, and issue more!

Again fear is not the answer and yet you seem to chose that path!

One more time and it is all in small words,

What is your definition of legal buffoonery? Gun shows? Target Shooting events? Reenactment? Militias? Branch Dividian's, Janet Reno and the BATF?

OH PLEASE! I AM SO EAGER TO HEAR YOUR ANSWER!

So far you are just disappointing me.


We have a common ground, disappointment in each other.

Show me the stats that I asked for since you know where they are and noone else can find them

I need the legal gun owner gun crimes committed in this country per year.

I need the yearly times that a gun manned or unmanned goes off and hurt or kills someone.

I need the stats of how many children hurt or kill others when they get ahold of a legal gun owners gun.

I need to know how many firearms are stolen each year that end up involved in a crime later.

Can you help a disappointed and frustrated person out?

I bet not.

Legal gun owner baffoonery is when a legal gun owner brandishes a gun to impose their will onto others, when a drunk individual gets their gun and acts a fool with it, when a legal gun owner brandishes his weapon to impose road rage on someone, when a legal gun owner usually drunk, lets their children play with a gun because it is a good learning experience for them, etc... the list goes on and on

Mental health exams are needed, restrictions on any crime is needed, restrictions for militant or anti government involvement is needed and restrictions for stolen and lost weapons are needed.

Once that happens we will have done all we can until people outgrow the false need of guns.




There's no need to limit any-government or militant groups. The second ammendment is designed to protect these groups, because they knew psychopaths like Bush and Obama need to be reigned in by threat of force on occasion. (you have apparently forgotten your reading assignment-"More Guns, Less Crime", by John Lott)



Your assignment is like taking me back to 5th grade, I am way past that in intelligence.

Yes anti government groups need to be gunless. There are better ways to get a point across than with a gun. We are not in the old west anymore.


Perhaps not, but consider this. If those people who are anti-government, meaning they are the ones willing to fight back against the powers that be if they needed to do so, if they have no guns, what's gonna happen when they're faced with these people at their doors making demands of them? Don't think it won't happen either.

The whole reason the government wants to get us to give up our guns, is so that when the time comes where they start coming for us, we won't have anything to protect ourselves with, and will be left defenseless when faced with armed people.

Must always ask yourself, when the government is pushing something so heavily, what do they stand to gain? That's what it comes down to in the end. They never push for something unless there is something in it for them, in the form of control.


Consider this even an arsenal isn't going to help you if the government wants you.

No amount of fire power you can personally own can stop the government from taking what it wants to take.

If you believe otherwise you are fooling yourself.

The government doesn't care if you have a gun or not. It is the citizens like me who do not like the archaic and dangerous weaponry hanging around in the hands of lunatics that legally have the right to have them.

Kleisto's photo
Fri 06/11/10 02:08 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Fri 06/11/10 02:11 PM







Trying to find the stats on how many legal gun owners commit gun crimes is almost impossible but I know it happens.


PURE UNADULTERATED MELARCHY! That information is out there. Oddly the legal vs illegal crime statistics have a VAST disparity. Given time I can find all of that information. And your comment about the NRA is unfounded and also opinion, not fact. Thank god the NRA exists! I wish the NAACP and ACLU would go away! At least ACORN is dead!

And again you will not define "Legal" Buffoonery?

Tisk Tisk! Bad form again!

So we should repress education and gun safety training like so many of you "Regulation" advocates have done already? You are aware that the topic of gun safety cannot even be discussed in classrooms here even in colleges?

I think the legal buffoonery going on is your haphazard quest to strangle weapon ownership under the color of your personal beliefs only. What you want makes no sense at all. It only confuses the problem, and issue more!

Again fear is not the answer and yet you seem to chose that path!

One more time and it is all in small words,

What is your definition of legal buffoonery? Gun shows? Target Shooting events? Reenactment? Militias? Branch Dividian's, Janet Reno and the BATF?

OH PLEASE! I AM SO EAGER TO HEAR YOUR ANSWER!

So far you are just disappointing me.


We have a common ground, disappointment in each other.

Show me the stats that I asked for since you know where they are and noone else can find them

I need the legal gun owner gun crimes committed in this country per year.

I need the yearly times that a gun manned or unmanned goes off and hurt or kills someone.

I need the stats of how many children hurt or kill others when they get ahold of a legal gun owners gun.

I need to know how many firearms are stolen each year that end up involved in a crime later.

Can you help a disappointed and frustrated person out?

I bet not.

Legal gun owner baffoonery is when a legal gun owner brandishes a gun to impose their will onto others, when a drunk individual gets their gun and acts a fool with it, when a legal gun owner brandishes his weapon to impose road rage on someone, when a legal gun owner usually drunk, lets their children play with a gun because it is a good learning experience for them, etc... the list goes on and on

Mental health exams are needed, restrictions on any crime is needed, restrictions for militant or anti government involvement is needed and restrictions for stolen and lost weapons are needed.

Once that happens we will have done all we can until people outgrow the false need of guns.




There's no need to limit any-government or militant groups. The second ammendment is designed to protect these groups, because they knew psychopaths like Bush and Obama need to be reigned in by threat of force on occasion. (you have apparently forgotten your reading assignment-"More Guns, Less Crime", by John Lott)



Your assignment is like taking me back to 5th grade, I am way past that in intelligence.

Yes anti government groups need to be gunless. There are better ways to get a point across than with a gun. We are not in the old west anymore.


Perhaps not, but consider this. If those people who are anti-government, meaning they are the ones willing to fight back against the powers that be if they needed to do so, if they have no guns, what's gonna happen when they're faced with these people at their doors making demands of them? Don't think it won't happen either.

The whole reason the government wants to get us to give up our guns, is so that when the time comes where they start coming for us, we won't have anything to protect ourselves with, and will be left defenseless when faced with armed people.

Must always ask yourself, when the government is pushing something so heavily, what do they stand to gain? That's what it comes down to in the end. They never push for something unless there is something in it for them, in the form of control.


Consider this even an arsenal isn't going to help you if the government wants you.

No amount of fire power you can personally own can stop the government from taking what it wants to take.

If you believe otherwise you are fooling yourself.

The government doesn't care if you have a gun or not. It is the citizens like me who do not like the archaic and dangerous weaponry hanging around in the hands of lunatics that legally have the right to have them.


I understand what you mean about the government having such power to take whatever they want. Really they've been doing that for years, in part due to the apathy of many of us in this country, but I digress.

That being said, I do think they very much do care whether we have guns or not. They wouldn't be pushing for gun control if they didn't. The reason for it is simple: we are more of a threat to them when we are armed and willing to shoot, then if we're unarmed. It's just like with criminals, they're less likely to attack an armed populace then one that is not armed since there's more risk involved.

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Trying to find the stats on how many legal gun owners commit gun crimes is almost impossible but I know it happens.


PURE UNADULTERATED MELARCHY! That information is out there. Oddly the legal vs illegal crime statistics have a VAST disparity. Given time I can find all of that information. And your comment about the NRA is unfounded and also opinion, not fact. Thank god the NRA exists! I wish the NAACP and ACLU would go away! At least ACORN is dead!

And again you will not define "Legal" Buffoonery?

Tisk Tisk! Bad form again!

So we should repress education and gun safety training like so many of you "Regulation" advocates have done already? You are aware that the topic of gun safety cannot even be discussed in classrooms here even in colleges?

I think the legal buffoonery going on is your haphazard quest to strangle weapon ownership under the color of your personal beliefs only. What you want makes no sense at all. It only confuses the problem, and issue more!

Again fear is not the answer and yet you seem to chose that path!

One more time and it is all in small words,

What is your definition of legal buffoonery? Gun shows? Target Shooting events? Reenactment? Militias? Branch Dividian's, Janet Reno and the BATF?

OH PLEASE! I AM SO EAGER TO HEAR YOUR ANSWER!

So far you are just disappointing me.


We have a common ground, disappointment in each other.

Show me the stats that I asked for since you know where they are and noone else can find them

I need the legal gun owner gun crimes committed in this country per year.

I need the yearly times that a gun manned or unmanned goes off and hurt or kills someone.

I need the stats of how many children hurt or kill others when they get ahold of a legal gun owners gun.

I need to know how many firearms are stolen each year that end up involved in a crime later.

Can you help a disappointed and frustrated person out?

I bet not.

Legal gun owner baffoonery is when a legal gun owner brandishes a gun to impose their will onto others, when a drunk individual gets their gun and acts a fool with it, when a legal gun owner brandishes his weapon to impose road rage on someone, when a legal gun owner usually drunk, lets their children play with a gun because it is a good learning experience for them, etc... the list goes on and on

Mental health exams are needed, restrictions on any crime is needed, restrictions for militant or anti government involvement is needed and restrictions for stolen and lost weapons are needed.

Once that happens we will have done all we can until people outgrow the false need of guns.




There's no need to limit any-government or militant groups. The second ammendment is designed to protect these groups, because they knew psychopaths like Bush and Obama need to be reigned in by threat of force on occasion. (you have apparently forgotten your reading assignment-"More Guns, Less Crime", by John Lott)



Your assignment is like taking me back to 5th grade, I am way past that in intelligence.

Yes anti government groups need to be gunless. There are better ways to get a point across than with a gun. We are not in the old west anymore.


Perhaps not, but consider this. If those people who are anti-government, meaning they are the ones willing to fight back against the powers that be if they needed to do so, if they have no guns, what's gonna happen when they're faced with these people at their doors making demands of them? Don't think it won't happen either.

The whole reason the government wants to get us to give up our guns, is so that when the time comes where they start coming for us, we won't have anything to protect ourselves with, and will be left defenseless when faced with armed people.

Must always ask yourself, when the government is pushing something so heavily, what do they stand to gain? That's what it comes down to in the end. They never push for something unless there is something in it for them, in the form of control.


Consider this even an arsenal isn't going to help you if the government wants you.

No amount of fire power you can personally own can stop the government from taking what it wants to take.

If you believe otherwise you are fooling yourself.

The government doesn't care if you have a gun or not. It is the citizens like me who do not like the archaic and dangerous weaponry hanging around in the hands of lunatics that legally have the right to have them.


I understand what you mean about the government having such power to take whatever they want. Really they've been doing that for years, in part to the apathy of many of us in this country, but I digress.

That being said, I do think they very much do care whether we have guns or not. They wouldn't be pushing for gun control if they didn't. The reason for it is simple: we are more of a threat to them when we are armed and willing to shoot, then if we're unarmed. It's just like with criminals, they're less likely to attack an armed populace then one that is not armed since there's more risk involved.


Again the government doesn't care if you have guns or not. Whatever you have will be like an ant bite to what they have.

It is people and organizations like me who push for gun control.

Some are more anti gun than I am. I am not totally anti gun
I just want stricter rules and more control.

A criminal entering a residence is taking a big chance. I don't have a gun but I have the advantage in my home over anyone sneaking around in here in the dark and I can hurt or kill them without a gun. Guns do not make a person more safe. They just believe that it does. Thanks to the hype from those who profit from guns.