Ah, but.......who creates the fear in the first place? Who puts all these images in our heads of shootings at schools, and of gun violence on the street, etc etc etc. The media does that of course, they create the fear in us in a lot of these instances. And just who runs the media? Those in power do, the entire mainstream media was long since bought and paid for by those that run this place. Anything that is put out there, has a reason for it, same goes for anything they choose to hide or outright lie about.

But anyway the point of it is, sure maybe the people end up pushing for gun control, but more because of the fear instilled in us by the media propaganda. It's a simple method they use, problem, reaction, solution. They create the problem, we react to it, and then they provide the solution that fit with their agenda. It's been going on for years and years.

Sorry for delay, had a birthday dinner to go to.

Now who puts those images in our heads? The gun crazies make the news and put it into our heads.

I can remember vividly seeing the bloody result of gun violence.

I have seen gun violence not on the media.

To blame the media is not a valid issue unless not covering it enough is the problem you speak of.

Another correlation/causation fallacy. Why am I not surprised?

Not even.

So sorry.

You are living in such a fantasy! Does the thought ever occur to you that these are criminal acts and the police are required to act? That is WHY we have laws in the first place.

By what you say it becomes more and more clear you just want to take guns away under ambiguous reasons to make YOU feel safer. Also look up something called the National Crime Statistics Bureau .gov. They have lots and lots of statistics to play with.

And the buffoonery you mention is committed by such a tremendous minority! And now you want to make it seem like all of us are like that? That is how you sound. Now that I have seen what you cite as buffoonery us responsible gun owners call ILLEGAL AND DANGEROUS conduct. I have had azzholes take shots at targets I just set up from the other range slot. The people I was with disarmed them and held them at gun point until the sheriffs arrived. I am not all freaked out some preppy azzhole with a Rem. 7mm magnum was passing lead right past me. He got arrested for shooting at a target with a man down range and reckless endangerment of my life. He was facing several armed people all pointing all kinds of ordinance at them. So were people from the range right next to us.

There is a certain solidarity among gun owners you do not understand because we all know what guns do and prevent them from doing that in an unintended fashion. Hell, in my groups we do not allow alcohol of any kind while we are target shooting. We get to drinking afterwords when the guns are put away!

And you dare to treat us like we are all irresponsible?

Actually it is. I've even given you plenty of reading about it. You just choose to ignore reality and live in your own fantasy.

National Crime Statistics Bureau .gov.
Aren't they owned by the NRA?

Again, since some people apparently missed it, here is John Stossel's 20/20 report explaining why gun control doesn't work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyoLuTjguJA

If there is one irresponsible gun owner out there, it constitutes a life possibly lost for no good reason.

Life is more important than any gun.

Guns take more lives than they save.

That is the problem.

I will not dum down for you. I already told you the reading you want me to do is under my intelligence level.

I suggest getting off the NRA tit.

I don't like the NRA. I prefer the GOA, as far as groups go. You think John Lott and John Stossel are "below your intelligence level"? puhleeeeeeze! You couldn't hold a candle to them!

my friends, it's clear that our friend dragoness cannot back up her faulty assertions or put up a decent debate, so I'll be leaving you for now. I'll check back later.

Thats funny.

And definitely untrue as usual.

I need the legal gun owner gun crimes committed in this country per year.

I need the yearly times that a gun manned or unmanned goes off and hurt or kills someone.

I need the stats of how many children hurt or kill others when they get ahold of a legal gun owners gun.

I need to know how many firearms are stolen each year that end up involved in a crime later.

Poor losers like yourself are so cute with your tantrums.

If you don't know them already, what are you doing debating this? As I've long held, your reasoning is almost entirely ad hoc, and fundamentally flawed.

You need a clue and realization that you are now engaging in hostile and vicious attacks on us!

Heavenlyboy34, do not get pulled into Dragoness's poor abilities to face up to her idealism for what they are. You will get in trouble. She has a difficult time answering simple questions and not devolving into fallacy and baiting.

She is entitled to her opinions but she "assumes" she is so right and this whole "one life lost is one too many" thinking. It is clear she calls us "Unintelligent" because she refuses to see the other side and see the evidence presented to her.

It is clear she wants "Us" to do her homework for her since she cannot seem to look up the site I mentioned. I guess something about it being a .gov suddenly she wants us to believe it is biased and wrong even though she is also a Die Hard Obama supporter and to her 'nothing he does is wrong.'

Dragoness, your Piety is Legendary. So how is the air up there? Time for you to stop looking down your nose at us. Do your own homework!

You have hijacked this thread and continue to bait people. You threatened me on this thread and now you are clearly baiting another member.

Now you want to know how many legal guns are stolen and used in crimes? How about those sold through the black market too? What the hell does it matter when a gun is stolen and used in a crime? it is a criminal using the weapon in the first place and it is stolen to be used for crime. Cops get guns stolen from them as well. Do you intend to punish them as well or do they get a pass from your little "regulation" scheme?

Everything you have mentioned has been through the Supreme Court several times and these measures keep loosing for a reason! They violate current LAWS and the Constitution! Come up with an answer that does not violate the law and constitution and that makes sense and more people may listen to you.

So are you going to get all angry even more and call me 'unenlightened' too?