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Edited by
Terminal1
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Oh as far as the WMD's were concerned I think that we actually did think they were there and Sadam had programs going on. We basically aided his progress early on with even Uncle Donald Rumsfeld shaking his hand in the '80s.
Thing is, he didn't have them after Iraq I because we pretty much bombed them all out and all the way up to the Iraq II war there wasn't a year that went by where bombs weren't dropped on Iraq. Coupled with crippling sanctions and no ability to really rebuild any kind of program the country was a cakewalk to topple. Holding is another question which still remains to this day because to use an analogy, the waters may be still for now but there is an undercurrent still which in bad weather can be brought to the surface quickly. People tend to forget the period between 1991 and the start of Iraq II and how much Iraq was hassled. |
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Well... I haven't read through all the responses on this thread so I can only answer the topic title. I realize, I am new here so please be gentle
The two most lucrative commodities on this Earth right now are oil and opium. Oil more so just over the past 200 years but opium has a long history of being lucrative. Ask the British, they know. With that being said, I think the whole mess is all about the oil and opium. I think that with the emergence over the past 10 years of China and India there is a great deal of future profit in supplying their energy needs, hence the oil pipeline being built across the northern part of Afghanistan and Pakistan. Iran is also included in this game of chess as well by extension Georgia, which IMHO was a test of Russian resolve since southern Georgia is right up against the head of the "trunk" of this huge pipeline but also it has a port on it's western side. Iran has to be the next to fall for greater security. Iran also has no central bank which again, IMHO, is one of the reasons they are being hassled. If we had them on our side security would be complete for all the pipelines being completed. Of course, Russia is a big stumbling block for the US when it comes to Iran for good reason. We aren't the only ones also that have a pipeline going. So does Russia who are building their own pipeline to China which by incident can be easily spurred to India so it is kind of like a "space race" of oil. Whoever gets there first will have greater control over feeding energy to India and China foremost, and the rest of the world in extension. That is what it all boils down to IMHO. Simply to look at it as multinational and monied interests looking to gain as much of the future pie as possible while people go on about their daily lives worried about their retirements and whether or not they should plant 4 or 6 pepper plants this year. Iraq, again IMHO was attacked because Sadam didn't want to relinquish control of his oil reserves to corporate interests and had nationalized the industry in his country. Come to think of it so did Iran way back in the day which really infuriated Standard Oil. |
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Kings_Knight.
I am wondering what you think of General Petraeus now that he has talked about how Israels actions are putting American lives at risk. Is he anti-Israel as well in your eyes? |
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this post is RETARDED... Don't let Sarah Palin hear you say that... Wait... what? Not sure what you are saying here. I was thinking on how Sarah Palin went after Rush for using the word "retard". I am about as PC'd out as a person can get. 
i cant stand political correctness....it just another form of people forcing their will on others, telling them how to talk Ahh.. ty. I also agree... Maybe I should just carry my sleepy butt to bed lol |
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this post is RETARDED... Don't let Sarah Palin hear you say that... Wait... what? Not sure what you are saying here. I was thinking on how Sarah Palin went after Rush for using the word "retard". I am about as PC'd out as a person can get. |
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Topic:
Alvin Greene Surprise Win?
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Have only seen him in 1 interview (With K.O.) and he looked like he was waaaaay in over his head. The whole interview was just absolutely painful to watch.
Something just doesn't seem right about this whole thing. I've always thought it was hard enough for a "common man" to run for the Senate seat and, even though it may be an anomaly, it sure doesn't feel like someone can just "slip in" like that. IMHO it needs a closer look which I am sure it will get. |
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this post is RETARDED... Don't let Sarah Palin hear you say that... |
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Wasn't it just early last week the MSM was complaining about him not showing enough "emotion" and accusing him of being stoic? Whadda crazy sideshow America is becoming... things do seem inconsistent on so many issues like,,, under 18 is too young to consent to sex, but old enough to be held responsible for murder people should take care of themself, but if people take care of themself because they have been excluded, its discrimination the president is weak because he aknowledges america is not perfect, but pompous for supposedly not aknowledging that he is not (although he has several times) ,,,,,,its the times , they are a changing,,,,always have and always will They may be changing, it is just the trend that is a bit of a bother. I remember a time not too long ago when there was this specific syndrome that was applied to critics of President G W Bush... What was it called? Oh yea.. "Bush Derangement Syndrome" I guess it applies to President Obama critics as well. I mean I am no great fan of President Obama because he does seem to side with multinationals (i.e. Banks, Pharma, etc) but man I haven't ever in life seen so much hatred. |
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Wasn't it just early last week the MSM was complaining about him not showing enough "emotion" and accusing him of being stoic?
Whadda crazy sideshow America is becoming... |
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The naacp needs to soak their heads.....in gasoline along with la raza, lulac, maldef, war, aryan nation, nation of islam and raool greehalva. Can we include Lady Gaga? /runandduck |
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lol, who is the weekly standard AND whatever happened to the commonly heard sentiment in the anti illegal immigration debate that 'if they have nothing to hide, there should be no problem cooperating,,,' ,,,still waiting to see that mountain,,,, I see the name "William Kristol" and that is enough for me to disregard the whole text. |
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glad to hear 
:D ty |
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Criminals are going to be criminals but if they can't steal a gun and there is a shortage because people were more responsible with them, it may help some. Also I believe if we change the archaic ideal that guns are the "answer" to everything, which is one of the problems this country has to begin with, we will see a change in people in general. We will outgrow the need for them as we evolve. I would not be willing to take any mental test (for I think those that need constant reassurance have their own mental issues (jmo)), as bearing arms is a right not a privilege. I find it interesting that, though I do not need any weapons, it is a right yet I need my car for work/food/social/emerg. and yet it is only a privilege. Sorry, I am still a bit miffed I paid a $77 fine for not having my license on me and driving my sisters car (while she ate... she was hungry and I was eager to get home) with a bad sticker. Only weapon I do have BTW is an old breakdown shotgun single shot 20 gauge that kicks harder than anything I have ever fired. Was handed down from my fathers father to my father when he was 8, and it passed to me when I was 12. In a home invasion it is more than enough. Just be ready to use it if you ever have to bring it to bear on someone. the thing is that owning a gun is not a big thing. the weapon you have is a family heirloom and possibly worth some money to a collector. Personally I want to get into Black Powder hunting. One shot is all you get! Well... I don't have it here actually. I have it locked up at my fathers place alongside the rifles and shotguns he had won on punch boards when he was working. I really don't think I have to worry about any home invasion. Not only do I live in a very tight community, there are better looking homes to choose from than mine along our solitary street lol. |
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Criminals are going to be criminals but if they can't steal a gun and there is a shortage because people were more responsible with them, it may help some. Also I believe if we change the archaic ideal that guns are the "answer" to everything, which is one of the problems this country has to begin with, we will see a change in people in general. We will outgrow the need for them as we evolve. I would not be willing to take any mental test (for I think those that need constant reassurance have their own mental issues (jmo)), as bearing arms is a right not a privilege. I find it interesting that, though I do not need any weapons, it is a right yet I need my car for work/food/social/emerg. and yet it is only a privilege. Sorry, I am still a bit miffed I paid a $77 fine for not having my license on me and driving my sisters car (while she ate... she was hungry and I was eager to get home) with a bad sticker. Only weapon I do have BTW is an old breakdown shotgun single shot 20 gauge that kicks harder than anything I have ever fired. Was handed down from my fathers father to my father when he was 8, and it passed to me when I was 12. Hi Terminal - I understand but it is what it is. Did they not reduce the amount of the fine when you produced the info requested? That sucks, sorry. The cop knew I was me. I gave him all the pertinent information, Address, SSN# and the like. He came back from his car saying that he knew I was me and I asked why. Those laptops in cop cars apparently can bring up your DMV picture and that is how he knew I was me. No disrespect to my sister, but damnit... She got away scot free without a ticket on her "dated" inspection sticker and got off with a warning and here I catch a ticket for not having my license on me while driving. She made it straight though. She reimbursed my fine later on. |
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Criminals are going to be criminals but if they can't steal a gun and there is a shortage because people were more responsible with them, it may help some. Also I believe if we change the archaic ideal that guns are the "answer" to everything, which is one of the problems this country has to begin with, we will see a change in people in general. We will outgrow the need for them as we evolve. I would not be willing to take any mental test (for I think those that need constant reassurance have their own mental issues (jmo)), as bearing arms is a right not a privilege. I find it interesting that, though I do not need any weapons, it is a right yet I need my car for work/food/social/emerg. and yet it is only a privilege. Sorry, I am still a bit miffed I paid a $77 fine for not having my license on me and driving my sisters car (while she ate... she was hungry and I was eager to get home) with a bad sticker. Only weapon I do have BTW is an old breakdown shotgun single shot 20 gauge that kicks harder than anything I have ever fired. Was handed down from my fathers father to my father when he was 8, and it passed to me when I was 12. |
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all I can say is that I've owned guns for almost 50 years and have never used one to commit a crime. It must not be the gun that's the criminal... Careful... you do not know what your weapon is doing while your back is turned. It may very well be standing on a street corner this very moment eying the ladies walk by and flipping a quarter wearing cool shades. |
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Edited by
Terminal1
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Fri 06/11/10 09:03 AM
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Hamas begins unprovoked rocket attacks from Gaza and Israel responds thus making clear that Israel is the ugly ogre in the situation. Since there was no such place as the nation of Palestine prior to 1948, I am wondering why Egypt, Jordan, or Syria have not created a homeland for these folks who are ethnically theirs. Moreover, when a nation of Palestine was offered upon the creation of Israel, the Arabs rejected it in favor of pushing for the destruction of Israel instead. We see how that effort has played out over the last 60 years. We should of course turn our back on the only true and functioning democracy in the middle east, it’s the right thing to do. THE HELL IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
And there was no "Israel" till 1917 (the Balfour declaration).
except for the best documented ancient country in history dating back about 4000 years...
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts+About+Israel/History/HISTORY-+Biblical+Times.htm What is forgotten here is that Moses, Joshua and Aaron pretty much ethically cleansed the entire area. Not only did they kill every man woman and child, but they killed anything that had a heartbeat. |
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Since 'neocon' is a construct of the Democratic Party [sic], why should anyone be surprised that they know how to apply their own priniciple (to use a word very loosely) ... ? Actually, Neoconservatism was invented by Irving Kristol, whose disciples infiltrated the GOP (mostly). Kristol was not ashamed of the word either, FYI. It was also applied by the 'craps as a term of (1) derision and as (2) a 'psychological / temporal' link to the Hitlerian era ... kinda like their way of getting the proverbial semantic 'two-fer' ... and it has only gotten worse with the application by 'The ONE' of the principles of Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) ... It's true that the term (like all political terms) has been misused, but it's still a valid term. Much like how many Americans misuse the word "democracy". Anyone who knows the history of neoconservatives understands that they were disaffected democrats and they actually have very little in common with traditional conservatives. Irving Kristol was a friggin marxist.. Good video to watch about the rise of Neo-Conservativism. "Power of Nightmare" - BBC Documentary about both the rise of Neoconservatism and also the rise of Islamic Fundamentalism at the same time. Part 1 - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2798679275960015727# Part 2 - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2798679275960015727#docid=4602171665328041876 Part 3 - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2081592330319789254# Total run time is approx 3 hours for all three. I know it is a long time but it is worth the watch if only to add another perspective. It also goes into part of the histories of Al-Zawahiri and Bin Laden. Starts with a man named Sayyid Qutb back in the 1960s. |
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The thing about it is that it is self correcting and able to learn from previous mistakes. I mean, "Flat Earthers" are pretty scarce right now.
Science has been self-correcting for quite a while, but what I consider to be 'science' wasn't around during the heyday of 'flat earthers'. Semantic tangent: I always thought that any 'system of knowledge' could be called a 'science' - so that 'the science of yoga' is a valid phrase for a collection of completely 'non-scientific' information. I just found this definition - "An activity that appears to require study and method" - which is consistent with this usage. But I think its vital to discriminate between the 'approach to truth' which dominated when 'flat earthers' ruled public opinion, and the approach to truth which modern scientists take. Its true that modern science is self correcting, yes! Its also true that modern scientists have had many stumbling blocks and gone down some bad paths. I just don't consider the 'flat earth' meme to be one of those stumbling blocks, as it simply wasn't science. It was based on 'argument from authority' and 'this idea is too obvious to require testing/evidence.' Modern science is focused on evidence. Oh I agree. Way back in those days a person who had a hypothesis would have to be very careful how to test it lest the Church would find out and put them to death. Strong incentive not to pursue any idea contrary to their present day "teachings". What gets me is we are taught about "European" (I.E, Newton, Galileo, etc) yet history shows that even the Mayans/Aztecs/Incas as well as Sumerians all had a greater understanding of Astronomy thousands of years before the European science infancy yet we hear nothing of those. Maybe it is because of the historical record. It makes me wonder what this world would be like if the Library of Alexandria had survived in its entirety as well as the records that the Mayans had that were virtually wiped out (except for one single "book") by the Conquistadors. |
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No I was definitely speaking about this video and the general theme of using QM as a means to confuse and create a guise of scientific credibility to pseudoscience. What the bleep is just a movie designed to get people comfortable with the ideas in a general way and uses real science as a mask to lend cred. Next we are selling you healing quantum crystals, sessions of quantum energy healing, quantum _____________ Just my opinion m8. I apologize but I made my comment before actually watching the video in my defense lol. I agree that there is something mystical about QM but then again it seems humans have a tendency to make logical (and illogical) leaps. I have a hard time picturing sub atomic particles being "aware" of our observations and standing still just long enough for us to take a look (see 2 slit experiment) which leads one to think of a "consciousness" behind all subatomic particles. It is magical in a sense so I can see where people take what they can from it and run with it towards mysticism. If someone tried to sell me a Quantum Crystal I would probably laugh and tell them to carry on. The whole Universe is my quantum crystal. That would probably shut the hawker up. |
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