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Edited by
CowboyGH
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also still even if thinking of paying the rent excites you while masturbating and ejaculating on the check revolves around thinking of someone. So therefor my comment still stands. It's the lusting of another that makes it sinful. so are you saying that Jesus and God approves of playing with Mr. Winky no i believe my comment i was refering to was sexually thinking of someone is lustful. So therefor would then make masturbating lustful. It's a fleshly pleasure, another point that makes masturbating sinful. SO NOW THIS ALL CONTROLLING ALL MIGHTY GOD IS TRYING TO CONTROL OUR THOUGHTS!!! Its not enough that he wants to control our lives and our actions, now it is sin to THINK in a manner not approved by God. And you believe you are Free. You are delusional to think so. Cowboy also said: yes another thing popped into mind on how to explain it. When a married couple engage in sexual actions, it is out of love for a sentimental action. Not a physical pleasure kind of action. It is purely for reproduction and or emotional action between the two, NOT pleasing the flesh. Masturbation is purely pleasing the flesh. SO NOW IT IS A SIN TO FEEL PLEASURE!! You have GOT to be kidding me that you believe and live by all of this load of crap someone has laid on you. I really feel sorry for you, you poor soul. You are a prisoner in your own mind, bound by guilt and shame for feeling pleasure or for thinking a lustful thought. You are not free dear boy. You do not think for yourself. it's a sin to lust after physical pleasure. Not a sin to feel pleasure, cause i feel pleasure everyday sitting here telling people of our great father. And yes i think for myself. So you're gonna tell me when someone tells you not to do something and you listen you then are not thinking for yourself? So then you are saying that desire is a sin. I think you are wrong. If people did not desire things they would have no motivation. You desire to spread the gospel right? I don't listen to people telling me not to do something unless I actually ask for their advice and opinion. I always make my own decisions and my decisions are made without any feeling that I am under the threats of some God who will kill me if I disobey his will. In short, I have free will that comes with no strings. I take full and complete responsibility for my actions and I need no one to die for my so-called sins. I understand the laws of cause and effect and Karma, which are the only laws of God. I do not place any value on scripture and religions that number in the thousands, or in their strange ideas about what a sin is. no it's ok to "desire" something. But to lust after it is another thing. Desire is only a want. Desire is nothing more then a feeling. We will be judged on "what" we desire and the actions we do to acheive as such. Do we desire sinful things or desire things of other. Because we will be granted, we desire sinful things we will be sent where all the sinful things in the world are, we desire holy things we will be sent where all the holy things are. |
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Lust, desire, its all the same difference. Where would a person draw the line between the two?
Anyway you think you have it all figured out, good for you. Have a happy life. |
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Lust, desire, its all the same difference. Where would a person draw the line between the two? Anyway you think you have it all figured out, good for you. Have a happy life. Well that's the end of our discussion i guess. I pray you will have a great life, cause you can lead a horse to the water, but you can NOT for it to drink, so more power to you in whatever you believe. |
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Edited by
funches
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Thu 06/10/10 03:50 PM
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God might have known they would and might have been his plan, Cowboy...you said that God might have known?....that mean that you do not consider God to be omniscient ..... I DO NOT know but i do know i will have the chance to ask. it may be in Hell that you get to ask I said he might have known cause i'm not omniscient, i do not know EVERYTHING funches. Cowboy.......you don't have to be omniscient to know what's in the bible...you just have to read it...or at least watch the Ten Commandments starring Charleston Heston as Moses on Easter Eve Night....or here's an idea...look it up on the internet see how you are playing games and trying to be deceptive....good thing Satan granted you the knowledge how to do that....but of course you have the "Free Will" not to use it |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 06/10/10 03:51 PM
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Funches,
Keep up the good work.  Cowboy, Yep talking to you is a futile waste of time. I don't buy what you're selling and you think you know it all so you aren't listening. There is no common ground on the subject of God with you. This is not to say that maybe some other subject might prove interesting. See ya around. 
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no i believe my comment i was refering to was sexually thinking of someone is lustful. So therefor would then make masturbating lustful. It's a fleshly pleasure, another point that makes masturbating sinful. of course God would consider playing with general spanky a sin, the same as having lustful sex is a sin ....sex is only for the purpose to have children and follow God's word to multiply lustful sex between unmarried people would be fornication lustful sex between married people would be an abomination those that wanted children and wanted to follow God's word would engage into child bearing behavior without lust or submitting to animalistic desires this is clearly one of the disavantages of being a believer and clearly one of the perks of being a non-believer |
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marriage is a union,, sex is a physical extension of that union,, the pleasure is an added bonus,,,not a sin
Eph 5:31-32 (NIV) "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." Prov 5:18-19 (Jer) ...Find joy with the wife you married in your youth... hers the breasts that ever fill you with delight, hers the love that ever holds you captive. husbands and wives are meant to come together as one, the gospel doesnt require that they don't enjoy it or feel good,,..or delighted even |
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Here's a link that may give people another perspective.
I'm not saying I support nor reject his opinions. I can say however that I do support this paragraph from his front page. "On this Website you will find many documents. They cover all essential aspects of religion. Do not accept or believe any of it, without carefully testing & examining its truth. Believing what someone else tells you, simply because you think they have some authority, is one of the silliest things you can do." I must admit that I believe too many people of all faiths (and non-faiths) do that exact thing.... http://www.yhwh.com/Garden/garden0.htm |
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no i believe my comment i was refering to was sexually thinking of someone is lustful. So therefor would then make masturbating lustful. It's a fleshly pleasure, another point that makes masturbating sinful. of course God would consider playing with general spanky a sin, the same as having lustful sex is a sin ....sex is only for the purpose to have children and follow God's word to multiply lustful sex between unmarried people would be fornication lustful sex between married people would be an abomination those that wanted children and wanted to follow God's word would engage into child bearing behavior without lust or submitting to animalistic desires this is clearly one of the disavantages of being a believer and clearly one of the perks of being a non-believer Since each Christian has their own interpretation of what the bible actually means, for some this may apply and for others it will not. The bible was written ambiguously so that it can be interpreted to apply for whatever people want it to. |
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marriage is a union,, sex is a physical extension of that union,, the pleasure is an added bonus,,,not a sin a married couple having sex is not a sin....sex is a duty to multiply but it must be done without breaking God's laws...... Eph 5:31-32 (NIV) "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." one flesh refers to a bond not lust Prov 5:18-19 (Jer) ...Find joy with the wife you married in your youth... hers the breasts that ever fill you with delight, hers the love that ever holds you captive. finding joy and delight with a spouse can be accomplished without lust .... husbands and wives are meant to come together as one, the gospel doesnt require that they don't enjoy it or feel good,,..or delighted even to enjoy ones spouse is not a sin...but the gospel teaches that to enjoy because of lust is clearly a sin |
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no i believe my comment i was refering to was sexually thinking of someone is lustful. So therefor would then make masturbating lustful. It's a fleshly pleasure, another point that makes masturbating sinful. of course God would consider playing with general spanky a sin, the same as having lustful sex is a sin ....sex is only for the purpose to have children and follow God's word to multiply lustful sex between unmarried people would be fornication lustful sex between married people would be an abomination those that wanted children and wanted to follow God's word would engage into child bearing behavior without lust or submitting to animalistic desires this is clearly one of the disavantages of being a believer and clearly one of the perks of being a non-believer Since each Christian has their own interpretation of what the bible actually means, for some this may apply and for others it will not. The bible was written ambiguously so that it can be interpreted to apply for whatever people want it to. God made it perfectly clear that Lust was an abomination....Christians are even taught that Lust is one of the seven deadly sins that must be avoided at all cost .....it is simply no way around God's black letter law anyone can claim to be a christian which is why, it is not through their words but through their actions that deem what type of christian they truely are if any |
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no i believe my comment i was refering to was sexually thinking of someone is lustful. So therefor would then make masturbating lustful. It's a fleshly pleasure, another point that makes masturbating sinful. of course God would consider playing with general spanky a sin, the same as having lustful sex is a sin ....sex is only for the purpose to have children and follow God's word to multiply lustful sex between unmarried people would be fornication lustful sex between married people would be an abomination those that wanted children and wanted to follow God's word would engage into child bearing behavior without lust or submitting to animalistic desires this is clearly one of the disavantages of being a believer and clearly one of the perks of being a non-believer Since each Christian has their own interpretation of what the bible actually means, for some this may apply and for others it will not. The bible was written ambiguously so that it can be interpreted to apply for whatever people want it to. God made it perfectly clear that Lust was an abomination....Christians are even taught that Lust is one of the seven deadly sins that must be avoided at all cost .....it is simply no way around God's black letter law anyone can claim to be a christian which is why, it is not through their words but through their actions that deem what type of christian they truely are if any You do realize that the seven deadly sins are not in the bible? Dante created the concept of the deadly sins, I believe. So for Christians, there are no deadly sins if they follow only the bible. Adultery and fornication are sins in the bible. Lust is spoken of but it is not deadly. |
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I am not knowledgeable on this topic, and have neither a position nor much of an opinion.
From proverbs: 16 These six things doth the LORD hate : yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. 20 My son, keep thy father's commandment, and forsake not the law of thy mother: 21 Bind them continually upon thine heart, and tie them about thy neck. 22 When thou goest , it shall lead thee; when thou sleepest , it shall keep thee; and when thou awakest , it shall talk with thee. 23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life: 24 To keep thee from the evil woman, from the flattery of the tongue of a strange woman. 25 Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids. 26 For by means of a whorish woman a man is brought to a piece of bread: and the adulteress will hunt for the precious life. |
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You do realize that the seven deadly sins are not in the bible? Dante created the concept of the deadly sins, I believe. So for Christians, there are no deadly sins if they follow only the bible. Adultery and fornication are sins in the bible. Lust is spoken of but it is not deadly. the seven deadly sins are in the bible, the christians simply fine tune them and use them as a teaching aid for immoral behavior that should be avoided, probably for those believers that felt like they did have to follow the ones in the old testament or was confuse by their meaning, Dante was a poet and did not create the concept of the deadly sins, he was one of those that fine tuned or changed the seven deadly sins so that they can be ingrained in his work God deem that lust was an abomination because such desires could place man on the same level as the animals and having lust in one's heart would only mean that God was not in their heart at that point in time ...in other words...what believer or what type of believer can have lust while thinking about God |
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marriage is a union,, sex is a physical extension of that union,, the pleasure is an added bonus,,,not a sin a married couple having sex is not a sin....sex is a duty to multiply but it must be done without breaking God's laws...... Eph 5:31-32 (NIV) "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." one flesh refers to a bond not lust Prov 5:18-19 (Jer) ...Find joy with the wife you married in your youth... hers the breasts that ever fill you with delight, hers the love that ever holds you captive. finding joy and delight with a spouse can be accomplished without lust .... husbands and wives are meant to come together as one, the gospel doesnt require that they don't enjoy it or feel good,,..or delighted even to enjoy ones spouse is not a sin...but the gospel teaches that to enjoy because of lust is clearly a sin and we come back again,, to semantics,, and how one views lust enjoying the act of sex with ones spouse , because they are MY spouse , would not be lust,,,they are given to me to enjoy(not just sexually, but INCLUDING sexually) |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 06/11/10 12:02 PM
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I feel that the term "lust" is similar to 'desire' only the person overcome with lust may be a bit obsessed or out of control. Some people claim to be sex addicts and will have sex any chance they get and can't seem to control themselves. This to me, is lust. With lust you trade your integrity and value in for your addiction.
In the tarot, the card that represents addiction is the Devil. The Devil card is attachment to money and material things and addiction to drugs, sex or anything that makes you a slave and steals your power. When someone has sex with the excuse "I couldn't help myself, it just happened!" that is lust. Humans are supposed to be a little above those natural animal instincts so I can see why it is a negative thing. It robs you of your power to control yourself and can be a very destructive thing. Desire, on the other hand, is necessary in order to inspire us onward to improve our lives and enjoy our gifts. |
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marriage is a union,, sex is a physical extension of that union,, the pleasure is an added bonus,,,not a sin a married couple having sex is not a sin....sex is a duty to multiply but it must be done without breaking God's laws...... Eph 5:31-32 (NIV) "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." one flesh refers to a bond not lust Prov 5:18-19 (Jer) ...Find joy with the wife you married in your youth... hers the breasts that ever fill you with delight, hers the love that ever holds you captive. finding joy and delight with a spouse can be accomplished without lust .... husbands and wives are meant to come together as one, the gospel doesnt require that they don't enjoy it or feel good,,..or delighted even to enjoy ones spouse is not a sin...but the gospel teaches that to enjoy because of lust is clearly a sin and we come back again,, to semantics,, and how one views lust enjoying the act of sex with ones spouse , because they are MY spouse , would not be lust,,,they are given to me to enjoy(not just sexually, but INCLUDING sexually) cool...let's see if it is about semantics....so MsHarmony...what are some of the other deadly sins that you will look forward to doing with your spouse or potential spouse... let me guess...I bet you two wild and crazy kids will enjoy hours upon hours of inflicting "Wrath" upon each other since God deem lust an abomination and you are willing to ignore that....then which other of these deadly sins are you ready to use to enrich your life |
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marriage is a union,, sex is a physical extension of that union,, the pleasure is an added bonus,,,not a sin a married couple having sex is not a sin....sex is a duty to multiply but it must be done without breaking God's laws...... Eph 5:31-32 (NIV) "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." one flesh refers to a bond not lust Prov 5:18-19 (Jer) ...Find joy with the wife you married in your youth... hers the breasts that ever fill you with delight, hers the love that ever holds you captive. finding joy and delight with a spouse can be accomplished without lust .... husbands and wives are meant to come together as one, the gospel doesnt require that they don't enjoy it or feel good,,..or delighted even to enjoy ones spouse is not a sin...but the gospel teaches that to enjoy because of lust is clearly a sin and we come back again,, to semantics,, and how one views lust enjoying the act of sex with ones spouse , because they are MY spouse , would not be lust,,,they are given to me to enjoy(not just sexually, but INCLUDING sexually) cool...let's see if it is about semantics....so MsHarmony...what are some of the other deadly sins that you will look forward to doing with your spouse or potential spouse... let me guess...I bet you two wild and crazy kids will enjoy hours upon hours of inflicting "Wrath" upon each other since God deem lust an abomination and you are willing to ignore that....then which other of these deadly sins are you ready to use to enrich your life another wild assumption,, but Im not generally prone to anger or indignation,,,if and when it happens it is rare(hardly hours upon hours) and I certainly don't 'look forward' to it or find it enriching |
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*backs out of thread very slowly*
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*backs out of thread very slowly*  |
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