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Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice, eg., final sacrifice. Before Jesus was hung on the cross people sacrificed animals and such for forgiveness of their sins to gain pureness. They sacrificed something important and needed for payment of their sins and transgressions. And when one is forgiven of their sins/transgression they then become pure/innocent as a child. again it's the same "lust loophole" ...no child were pure or innocent because they were born of lust from the womb ...even God himself said that the children were tainted by their parents which is why God had no problem drowning children in The Great flood born of lust from the womb? How so? A married couple having children is not lust. Lust is only when the desire of a sexual relationship is with one you are not married to. A married couple are as one flesh, you can not lust after yourself. did Jesus masturbate or teach his believers to masturbate or do God approve of masturbation...would a believer masturbate knowing that God is watching them...if not it's because it is committing lust on yourself God himself had deem that lust is an Abomination....just because two people are married does not mean that they can break God's laws and commit heathenous acts of lust and spawn demon children from it if a married couple seek to have children then they have to find a way to have them without the inclusion of Lust ...it may be "hard" to do...er...no pun intended.....but hey...do it for Jesus this is a semantics game again,, lust , love and attraction,,,all vague and subjective concepts,,,,however, my belief is that lust is about pleasing self,,,and love is about pleasing another AS you wish to be pleased If marital couples have this feeling in their marriage, and in their bed,,,there should be no issue |
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very good point about masturbation but blindly mistaken. Yes masturbation is a sin of lust. But that is because what are you thinking of while masturbating? Are you thinking of how you're gonna pay the rent? Are you thinking about how great your life is and how much love is in it? No you would be thinking of someone sexually, and that right there is where the lust comes from. Cowboy..so are you saying that if you are thinking about paying the rent while you are spanking the monkey....then it's not maturbation ....also who's to say that having to pay the rent isn't a turn on for some people ...perhaps they may ejaculate on the rent check knowing that a land lord they consider sexy will touch it .... I think all God sees is that you are grabbing Mr. Winky ...and you are doing so out of lust yes another thing popped into mind on how to explain it. When a married couple engage in sexual actions, it is out of love for a sentimental action. Not a physical pleasure kind of action. It is purely for reproduction and or emotional action between the two, NOT pleasing the flesh. Masturbation is purely pleasing the flesh. |
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for 1 again when a couple are married it is alright to have a sexual relationship, how the heck else would we populate the planet? How would a woman get pregnant? Please think before you comment as to not make yourself look like a blind fool finding any little thing to pick at without thinking. Cowboy....then God is a blind fool because God is the one that said that lust is an abomination ...why do believers think they get to act like non-believers when it comes to sex ....they believe if they accept Jesus that they then have the right to commit adultry or fornication and engage in heathenous acts of lust .. you have to remember that God is watching you and when you are married or unmarried and engaging in lust, it may as well be God watching you make a porno |
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very good point about masturbation but blindly mistaken. Yes masturbation is a sin of lust. But that is because what are you thinking of while masturbating? Are you thinking of how you're gonna pay the rent? Are you thinking about how great your life is and how much love is in it? No you would be thinking of someone sexually, and that right there is where the lust comes from. Cowboy..so are you saying that if you are thinking about paying the rent while you are spanking the monkey....then it's not maturbation ....also who's to say that having to pay the rent isn't a turn on for some people ...perhaps they may ejaculate on the rent check knowing that a land lord they consider sexy will touch it .... I think all God sees is that you are grabbing Mr. Winky ...and you are doing so out of lust also still even if thinking of paying the rent excites you while masturbating and ejaculating on the check revolves around thinking of someone. So therefor my comment still stands. It's the lusting of another that makes it sinful. |
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God might have known they would and might have been his plan, Cowboy...you said that God might have known?....that mean that you do not consider God to be omniscient ..... I DO NOT know but i do know i will have the chance to ask. it may be in Hell that you get to ask |
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No we are not back in the garden of eden because there is still evil on this earth. Again, if EVERYONE accepted God and stopped sinning/disobeying then yes we would return to the Garden of Eden. Cowboy....wow I can't believe the stuff you are saying...you have already admitted that you can't stop sinning .....clearly you know that by saying that everyone needs to stop sinning is you being a hypocrite you can't even practice what you preach nice try at trying to through that in my face funches. But i would be included in the everyone, i am a member of the human race lol. *round of applause for funches* as Elvis would say.....thank you.....thank you very much |
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Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice, eg., final sacrifice. Before Jesus was hung on the cross people sacrificed animals and such for forgiveness of their sins to gain pureness. They sacrificed something important and needed for payment of their sins and transgressions. And when one is forgiven of their sins/transgression they then become pure/innocent as a child. again it's the same "lust loophole" ...no child were pure or innocent because they were born of lust from the womb ...even God himself said that the children were tainted by their parents which is why God had no problem drowning children in The Great flood born of lust from the womb? How so? A married couple having children is not lust. Lust is only when the desire of a sexual relationship is with one you are not married to. A married couple are as one flesh, you can not lust after yourself. did Jesus masturbate or teach his believers to masturbate or do God approve of masturbation...would a believer masturbate knowing that God is watching them...if not it's because it is committing lust on yourself God himself had deem that lust is an Abomination....just because two people are married does not mean that they can break God's laws and commit heathenous acts of lust and spawn demon children from it if a married couple seek to have children then they have to find a way to have them without the inclusion of Lust ...it may be "hard" to do...er...no pun intended.....but hey...do it for Jesus this is a semantics game again,, lust , love and attraction,,,all vague and subjective concepts,,,,however, my belief is that lust is about pleasing self,,,and love is about pleasing another AS you wish to be pleased If marital couples have this feeling in their marriage, and in their bed,,,there should be no issue MsHarmony...if lust was just semantics...then God wouldn't have went out of his way to deem lust to be an abomination.....didn't they teach you about the seven deadly sins in sunday school and that lust was included in that group |
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for 1 again when a couple are married it is alright to have a sexual relationship, how the heck else would we populate the planet? How would a woman get pregnant? Please think before you comment as to not make yourself look like a blind fool finding any little thing to pick at without thinking. Cowboy....then God is a blind fool because God is the one that said that lust is an abomination ...why do believers think they get to act like non-believers when it comes to sex ....they believe if they accept Jesus that they then have the right to commit adultry or fornication and engage in heathenous acts of lust .. you have to remember that God is watching you and when you are married or unmarried and engaging in lust, it may as well be God watching you make a porno And this is why sexual relations between a married couple is not sinful. Mark 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh |
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God might have known they would and might have been his plan, Cowboy...you said that God might have known?....that mean that you do not consider God to be omniscient ..... I DO NOT know but i do know i will have the chance to ask. it may be in Hell that you get to ask I said he might have known cause i'm not omniscient, i do not know EVERYTHING funches. And for the second comment, it might be. Nobody knows if they will be given the gift of heaven or not till judgment day. |
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for 1 again when a couple are married it is alright to have a sexual relationship, how the heck else would we populate the planet? How would a woman get pregnant? Please think before you comment as to not make yourself look like a blind fool finding any little thing to pick at without thinking. Cowboy....then God is a blind fool because God is the one that said that lust is an abomination ...why do believers think they get to act like non-believers when it comes to sex ....they believe if they accept Jesus that they then have the right to commit adultry or fornication and engage in heathenous acts of lust .. you have to remember that God is watching you and when you are married or unmarried and engaging in lust, it may as well be God watching you make a porno And this is why sexual relations between a married couple is not sinful. Mark 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh Mark 10:7 - 10:8 10:7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh |
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very good point about masturbation but blindly mistaken. Yes masturbation is a sin of lust. But that is because what are you thinking of while masturbating? Are you thinking of how you're gonna pay the rent? Are you thinking about how great your life is and how much love is in it? No you would be thinking of someone sexually, and that right there is where the lust comes from. Cowboy..so are you saying that if you are thinking about paying the rent while you are spanking the monkey....then it's not maturbation ....also who's to say that having to pay the rent isn't a turn on for some people ...perhaps they may ejaculate on the rent check knowing that a land lord they consider sexy will touch it .... I think all God sees is that you are grabbing Mr. Winky ...and you are doing so out of lust yes another thing popped into mind on how to explain it. When a married couple engage in sexual actions, it is out of love for a sentimental action. Not a physical pleasure kind of action. It is purely for reproduction and or emotional action between the two, NOT pleasing the flesh. Masturbation is purely pleasing the flesh. Cowboy...so when two duck-billed platupus have sex...it's out of love for each other .....jeez are I'm going to have to give you a refresher course on the birds and bees again |
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also still even if thinking of paying the rent excites you while masturbating and ejaculating on the check revolves around thinking of someone. So therefor my comment still stands. It's the lusting of another that makes it sinful. so are you saying that Jesus and God approves of playing with Mr. Winky |
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also still even if thinking of paying the rent excites you while masturbating and ejaculating on the check revolves around thinking of someone. So therefor my comment still stands. It's the lusting of another that makes it sinful. so are you saying that Jesus and God approves of playing with Mr. Winky no i believe my comment i was refering to was sexually thinking of someone is lustful. So therefor would then make masturbating lustful. It's a fleshly pleasure, another point that makes masturbating sinful. |
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for 1 again when a couple are married it is alright to have a sexual relationship, how the heck else would we populate the planet? How would a woman get pregnant? Please think before you comment as to not make yourself look like a blind fool finding any little thing to pick at without thinking. Cowboy....then God is a blind fool because God is the one that said that lust is an abomination ...why do believers think they get to act like non-believers when it comes to sex ....they believe if they accept Jesus that they then have the right to commit adultry or fornication and engage in heathenous acts of lust .. you have to remember that God is watching you and when you are married or unmarried and engaging in lust, it may as well be God watching you make a porno And this is why sexual relations between a married couple is not sinful. Mark 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh nope..that only mean do it in the missionary position ..in an attempt to hide it from God.....like Adam and Eve did with the fig leaves |
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for 1 again when a couple are married it is alright to have a sexual relationship, how the heck else would we populate the planet? How would a woman get pregnant? Please think before you comment as to not make yourself look like a blind fool finding any little thing to pick at without thinking. Cowboy....then God is a blind fool because God is the one that said that lust is an abomination ...why do believers think they get to act like non-believers when it comes to sex ....they believe if they accept Jesus that they then have the right to commit adultry or fornication and engage in heathenous acts of lust .. you have to remember that God is watching you and when you are married or unmarried and engaging in lust, it may as well be God watching you make a porno And this is why sexual relations between a married couple is not sinful. Mark 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh nope..that only mean do it in the missionary position ..in an attempt to hide it from God.....like Adam and Eve did with the fig leaves sometimes you're attempt is far out there m8. How in the world does that have anything to do with missionary position or adam and eve? twain = two items of the same kind. And where does it say anywhere about how to do as such in reference with your missionary position? |
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also still even if thinking of paying the rent excites you while masturbating and ejaculating on the check revolves around thinking of someone. So therefor my comment still stands. It's the lusting of another that makes it sinful. so are you saying that Jesus and God approves of playing with Mr. Winky no i believe my comment i was refering to was sexually thinking of someone is lustful. So therefor would then make masturbating lustful. It's a fleshly pleasure, another point that makes masturbating sinful. SO NOW THIS ALL CONTROLLING ALL MIGHTY GOD IS TRYING TO CONTROL OUR THOUGHTS!!! Its not enough that he wants to control our lives and our actions, now it is sin to THINK in a manner not approved by God. And you believe you are Free. You are delusional to think so. Cowboy also said: yes another thing popped into mind on how to explain it. When a married couple engage in sexual actions, it is out of love for a sentimental action. Not a physical pleasure kind of action. It is purely for reproduction and or emotional action between the two, NOT pleasing the flesh. Masturbation is purely pleasing the flesh. SO NOW IT IS A SIN TO FEEL PLEASURE!! You have GOT to be kidding me that you believe and live by all of this load of crap someone has laid on you. I really feel sorry for you, you poor soul. You are a prisoner in your own mind, bound by guilt and shame for feeling pleasure or for thinking a lustful thought. You are not free dear boy. You do not think for yourself. |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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Thu 06/10/10 01:04 PM
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also still even if thinking of paying the rent excites you while masturbating and ejaculating on the check revolves around thinking of someone. So therefor my comment still stands. It's the lusting of another that makes it sinful. so are you saying that Jesus and God approves of playing with Mr. Winky no i believe my comment i was refering to was sexually thinking of someone is lustful. So therefor would then make masturbating lustful. It's a fleshly pleasure, another point that makes masturbating sinful. SO NOW THIS ALL CONTROLLING ALL MIGHTY GOD IS TRYING TO CONTROL OUR THOUGHTS!!! Its not enough that he wants to control our lives and our actions, now it is sin to THINK in a manner not approved by God. And you believe you are Free. You are delusional to think so. Cowboy also said: yes another thing popped into mind on how to explain it. When a married couple engage in sexual actions, it is out of love for a sentimental action. Not a physical pleasure kind of action. It is purely for reproduction and or emotional action between the two, NOT pleasing the flesh. Masturbation is purely pleasing the flesh. SO NOW IT IS A SIN TO FEEL PLEASURE!! You have GOT to be kidding me that you believe and live by all of this load of crap someone has laid on you. I really feel sorry for you, you poor soul. You are a prisoner in your own mind, bound by guilt and shame for feeling pleasure or for thinking a lustful thought. You are not free dear boy. You do not think for yourself. it's a sin to lust after physical pleasure. Not a sin to feel pleasure, cause i feel pleasure everyday sitting here telling people of our great father. And yes i think for myself. So you're gonna tell me when someone tells you not to do something and you listen you then are not thinking for yourself? |
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also still even if thinking of paying the rent excites you while masturbating and ejaculating on the check revolves around thinking of someone. So therefor my comment still stands. It's the lusting of another that makes it sinful. so are you saying that Jesus and God approves of playing with Mr. Winky no i believe my comment i was refering to was sexually thinking of someone is lustful. So therefor would then make masturbating lustful. It's a fleshly pleasure, another point that makes masturbating sinful. SO NOW THIS ALL CONTROLLING ALL MIGHTY GOD IS TRYING TO CONTROL OUR THOUGHTS!!! Its not enough that he wants to control our lives and our actions, now it is sin to THINK in a manner not approved by God. And you believe you are Free. You are delusional to think so. Our thoughts are where our heart is. You have THOUGHTS of killing someone, you're heart is evil. You THOUGHTS of getting someone a gifr, you're heart is pure. and so on. |
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Edited by
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also still even if thinking of paying the rent excites you while masturbating and ejaculating on the check revolves around thinking of someone. So therefor my comment still stands. It's the lusting of another that makes it sinful. so are you saying that Jesus and God approves of playing with Mr. Winky no i believe my comment i was refering to was sexually thinking of someone is lustful. So therefor would then make masturbating lustful. It's a fleshly pleasure, another point that makes masturbating sinful. SO NOW THIS ALL CONTROLLING ALL MIGHTY GOD IS TRYING TO CONTROL OUR THOUGHTS!!! Its not enough that he wants to control our lives and our actions, now it is sin to THINK in a manner not approved by God. And you believe you are Free. You are delusional to think so. Cowboy also said: yes another thing popped into mind on how to explain it. When a married couple engage in sexual actions, it is out of love for a sentimental action. Not a physical pleasure kind of action. It is purely for reproduction and or emotional action between the two, NOT pleasing the flesh. Masturbation is purely pleasing the flesh. SO NOW IT IS A SIN TO FEEL PLEASURE!! You have GOT to be kidding me that you believe and live by all of this load of crap someone has laid on you. I really feel sorry for you, you poor soul. You are a prisoner in your own mind, bound by guilt and shame for feeling pleasure or for thinking a lustful thought. You are not free dear boy. You do not think for yourself. it's a sin to lust after physical pleasure. Not a sin to feel pleasure, cause i feel pleasure everyday sitting here telling people of our great father. And yes i think for myself. So you're gonna tell me when someone tells you not to do something and you listen you then are not thinking for yourself? So then you are saying that desire is a sin. I think you are wrong. If people did not desire things they would have no motivation. You desire to spread the gospel right? I don't listen to people telling me not to do something unless I actually ask for their advice and opinion. I always make my own decisions and my decisions are made without any feeling that I am under the threats of some God who will kill me if I disobey his will. In short, I have free will that comes with no strings. I take full and complete responsibility for my actions and I need no one to die for my so-called sins. I understand the laws of cause and effect and Karma, which are the only laws of God. I do not place any value on scripture and religions that number in the thousands, or in their strange ideas about what a sin is. |
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also still even if thinking of paying the rent excites you while masturbating and ejaculating on the check revolves around thinking of someone. So therefor my comment still stands. It's the lusting of another that makes it sinful. so are you saying that Jesus and God approves of playing with Mr. Winky no i believe my comment i was refering to was sexually thinking of someone is lustful. So therefor would then make masturbating lustful. It's a fleshly pleasure, another point that makes masturbating sinful. SO NOW THIS ALL CONTROLLING ALL MIGHTY GOD IS TRYING TO CONTROL OUR THOUGHTS!!! Its not enough that he wants to control our lives and our actions, now it is sin to THINK in a manner not approved by God. And you believe you are Free. You are delusional to think so. Cowboy also said: yes another thing popped into mind on how to explain it. When a married couple engage in sexual actions, it is out of love for a sentimental action. Not a physical pleasure kind of action. It is purely for reproduction and or emotional action between the two, NOT pleasing the flesh. Masturbation is purely pleasing the flesh. SO NOW IT IS A SIN TO FEEL PLEASURE!! You have GOT to be kidding me that you believe and live by all of this load of crap someone has laid on you. I really feel sorry for you, you poor soul. You are a prisoner in your own mind, bound by guilt and shame for feeling pleasure or for thinking a lustful thought. You are not free dear boy. You do not think for yourself. it's a sin to lust after physical pleasure. Not a sin to feel pleasure, cause i feel pleasure everyday sitting here telling people of our great father. And yes i think for myself. So you're gonna tell me when someone tells you not to do something and you listen you then are not thinking for yourself? So then you are saying that desire is a sin. I think you are wrong. If people did not desire things they would have no motivation. You desire to spread the gospel right? I don't listen to people telling me not to do something unless I actually ask for their advice and opinion. I always make my own decisions and my decisions are made without any feeling that I am under the threats of some God who will kill me if I disobey his will. In short, I have free will that comes with no strings. I take full and complete responsibility for my actions and I need no one to die for my so-called sins. I understand the laws of cause and effect and Karma, which are the only laws of God. I do not place any value on scripture and religions that number in the thousands, or in their strange ideas about what a sin is. and so do i. It's not about fearing God. It's about loving our father for all his wisdom and love he has given each and everyone of us. Following God isn't about the fear of anything. Following God is out of love and the hope to gain the gift of heaven. |
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