That is like saying there is no difference between volantary and involatary homicide my friend. Yes they are dead......but they are still not the same.

Foolishness! Get a KJ and a matching Strong's then obey the Bible....seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened to you. Ask for wisedom and understanding. The study soundly with common sense!

There you are thunking again! PROVE ALL THINGS!!!!

The Scriptures are not the Bible. the Bible was translated from the scriptures. Go to the Scriptures to see what is really what. man made error in the translations that must be checked out. If you will look in the KJ the words in Italics WERE ADDED FOR CLAIFICATION and not it the scriptures. The KJ and other Bibles are not the all end all. The scriptures are!!!!

Yes there is a difference in killing with intent and killing by accident or in defense of your life. I do understand that.

If you are careless you could kill someone on accident. That is a terrible tragedy, more horrible than I can imagine.

If you have to kill someone in defense of your life that too is a tragedy.

If you kill (murder) with intent out of hatred or ignorance that is also a tragedy.

But all I said was that all my life, the Bible I grew up with and the ten commandments I grew up with taught THOU SHALT NOT KILL.

Now it appears that religious people are nitpicking that commandment because they want to justify all of their bloody wars.

I really don't care. What I do care is that if that part of the Bible is now WRONG OR MISTRANLATED, the question in my mind would be how many other things in today's bible are wrong or mistranslated.

This does not instill confidence in the Bible for people like me who have doubts about it in the first place. In fact, it merely confirms my suspicions that all of these religious people are full of it.

But all I said was that all my life, the Bible I grew up with and the ten commandments I grew up with taught THOU SHALT NOT KILL.

This does not instill confidence in the Bible for people like me who have doubts about it in the first place. In fact, it merely confirms my suspicions that all of these religious people are full of it.

Truly, if these scriptures were genuinely inspiried by a God he would have said what he meant, "THOU SHALT NOT MURDER WITHOUT MY PERMISSION"

This is just another reason why the Bible is clearly a farce. This supposedly all-wise God keeps saying the dumbest things, even when giving his Ten Commandments he can't even word things clearly without ambiguity.



Exactly, to question that the Bible is the word of God, would be to reject that it's the word of God, and that's the definition of a heathen. Therefore any sane person who has genuine concerns about the legitimacy of these writings could be "KILLED" in the name of God, for questioning HIS WORD.

And that wouldn't be considered "Murder" because technically this is what God commanded his followers to do.

In fact, this is precisely why Jesus was nailed to a pole. It was the mentality of this religion that got Jesus crucified. You'd think people could LEARN something from this horrible attrocity, but no, they just hold Jesus' dead body up as a weapon to prop up more of the same.

It's truly the saddest religion that mankind has ever become involved with.

We really need to get away from this stupid obscession with "sin" and "damnation" and move on to something more positive. There is nothing positive about a man being nailed to a pole to pay for the sins of pathetic unworthy people who supposedly don't even have the ability to be without sin!

If we don't have the ability to be without sin, then GUESS WHAT? It can't be OUR FAULT that we are sinners!

The whole religion is just a brainwashing trap that demands that all men are sinners without exception. It is truly utterly STUPID! It's an insult to humanity and to any creator that humanity might actualy have. It suggests that BOTH mankind and God are totally bumbling inept fools.

Why anyone wants to support this religion is beyond me.

The blood wars and the Crucades were not done by God's people. They were done in God's name but not by his command. The Mother Church is not of God. They made their own God and own gospel. They change God's laws and his Holy days and Sabbaths. This is the white horse who will ride at the end times.....anitchrist. They glorfy Mary who is dead and still in her grave. It is the protestant churches who follow her teachings are Christ will say "I never knew you" The true flock is small and keep the Sabbath and keep the commandments. They keep the Holy days and Sabbaths of God. It is they who the mother church will seek to kill again as before. They are not God's people. To know God's people look to the fruit of the Church the people, who will not war. and Keeping those things above.

Time will tell! I now leave you sweet and loving people. I hope my mean and ill willed nature was not too much to bare. There SHALL be wailing and nashing of teeth......let's wait and see! OK!

OH MY GOSH, how petty is this?....... there is NO FREAKING difference between killing and murder. Bottom line is you take someone's life, that's it. They are what we call a synonym.

intent is the heart of the definition and makes quite a bit of difference,,,

Wailing and gnashing of teeth?

Don't tell me. You're one of those Christians who imagines themselves standing next to Jesus on judgement day laughing at all the poor souls who are being cast into hell whist you yell at them, "I told you so!"

For someone who's out to 'save souls' you sure do give up easily.

Excuse me but you just got through saying this:



Now you tell me to get a KJ and a matching Strong's then obey the Bible.

Excuse me but I don't obey things written in a 2000 year old book just because you tell me to. Then you spout the "seek and you shall find, etc etc " ..not very original stuff that are worn out Biblical preacher phrases that have been over used and abused for centuries.

Sorry but you aren't communicating on the same page or even in the same book.

Peace and goodbye.

I have no problem with this at all Msharmony.

However, let's face it, the Ten Commandments does not say:

"Thou shalt not kill without good reason".

It simply says, "Thou shalt not kill".

So, if God is so wise, then why couldn't he write his commandments with a tiny bit more clarity? It wouldn't have taken all that much for an all-powerful God.

A book that claims to be the "Word of God" should not be so full of ambiguity that its words can't even be trusted to mean what they say.

That would just leave generations of people arguing with each other over what God actually meant. And guess what, that's precisely what we now have!

Do you think that a God who was going to write a book woudln't have been wise enough to figure that one out?

Again, just more reason to reject this book as being the "Word of God". It's too unclear, ambiguous, and self-contradicting.

well, that is taking a position that God should have spoken in every tongue to every person in every language, current and future.

The original gospels do take translation, because they were not in our English. That is why it is best to study the bible (as we were taught, but perhaps others werent) as a TRANSLATION of Gods gospel. To understand in depth, one should logically, go to the original text and learn all they can about the history of the words and the context in which they are used. In fact, some things are more confusing when taken in their literal translation to english. These are things I would recommend people take the time to dig into further by referring to the original text. ,,,for whatever my opinion is worth

Shouldn't be too hard to do for something that is supposed to be all knowing...

Not at all my friend! It is those who are his that will die at the hands of those who think they do God's will. If I am of the first resurrection, I will be as it says I will be. Read! I will find no pleasure in one dying only sadness of a lost could have been brother. I leave because ther is no purpose here. Only those called by the Father come to Christ. I can do nothing one way or the other but care and try to clear up confusion. but it runs too deep here. Even the simple is beyond scope. I do not save souls....God does that. I only wanted to help if I could and I cannot. I move on to other things!

Watch the Europeon Union, in the next few years much will happen. Germany will rise and the Vatican will once again be its friend. The Holy Roman Empire is rising......look as 27 nations become 10 and they are joined by the Church......then the end is near. When you see these come to pass as Christ fortold....rethink this foolish faith for your sake! Peace! AND FORGIVE ME ANY TRESSPASSES I INTENDED NONE!

CYCLOPS

"You strain at gnats and swallow camels."






A joke for you non believers:

A Preacher skipped Church to play golf. He makes a pretty hole in one. An Angel asked why he was blessed after doing wrong....the other Angel said, "He has not been blessed because now he can tell no one of it."



Cyclops

shouldnt be if it was all about US,, but it isnt,, and he didnt,, and he expects US to do some work...

A joke for you non believers:

A Preacher skipped Church to play golf. He makes a pretty hole in one. An Angel asked why he was blessed after doing wrong....the other Angel said, "He has not been blessed because now he can tell no one of it."



Cyclops

What a can of worms that opens up.

Now we're supposed to question the Word of God?

Well, I have. I've done quite a bit of work on it, and my conclusion is that the entire Abrahamic mythology is nonsense.

That's my conclusion. So hooray for me!

I've moved on to the Moon Goddess of Wicca and found a far better picture, there. Also, with her blessings, I've studied the Faery Teachings, and the many forms of Pantheism and Animism. They all have made far more sense than the Hebrew and Greek mythologies. And nary a one of them as taught me to kill anyone, no heathens, no unruly children, no sinners, etc. No Killing required.

Even more so, I don't need to condone having anyone nailed to a pole either.


In fact, I don't need to condone any violence at all. So I guess I did my fair share of work and it paid off.