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As we have been told we are made in his image.
and we are each of us able to be both good and evil... God itself must be both good and evil. Good exists... As does evil. As god is rumored to be 'all things' god itself must be both good and evil or 'all things' would be a lie. |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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As we have been told we are made in his image. and we are each of us able to be both good and evil... God itself must be both good and evil. Good exists... As does evil. As god is rumored to be 'all things' god itself must be both good and evil or 'all things' would be a lie. God created evil in a sence. He created Satan, and Satan was an angel the most beautiful powerful angel. But satan started to get an ego and claim to be more powerful then God, and that is when God cast Satan and his minions into what we call hell. So in the long run yes God created evil. But still nevertheless God does no evil. Anything evil that happens on earth is from Satan. And yes God allows evil to stay on earth for the time being cause Satan thinks even still he is more powerful then God. And God is allowing the devil to tempt us to sin as to make a test out of our lives and give us the chance to choose right or choose wrong. Also keep in mind we worship God through our good deads on earth. Unlike other religions, we don't sacrifice or anything like that, not sinning and doing good deeds is our sacrifice. So in a sence when we do good deads we're worshipping God and when we do bad things we're worshipping Satan. |
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Edited by
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Wed 02/03/10 08:24 AM
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And God is allowing the devil to tempt us to sin as to make a test out of our lives and give us the chance to choose right or choose wrong. . so Christians that knowingly commit sin are following Satan and not God .... |
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God created evil in a sence. But still nevertheless God does no evil. Cowboy this is a total contradiction if someone or some entity knowingly creates evil in any shape form or fashion....they at that point in time is in the act of doing evil this is why God can only be the root of all evil because all evil spawned from him |
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And God is allowing the devil to tempt us to sin as to make a test out of our lives and give us the chance to choose right or choose wrong. . so Christians that knowingly commit sin are following Satan and not God .... yes christians that knowlingly and willingly commit sin are worshipping Satan at that (those) moments. Again not saying i'm perfect in anyway shape or form i fail in many cases with sinning and doing the Devils will. I just kick myself in the butt and try even harder after that failure and pray for forgiveness and strenght. |
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God created evil in a sence. But still nevertheless God does no evil. Cowboy this is a total contradiction if someone or some entity knowingly creates evil in any shape form or fashion....they at that point in time is in the act of doing evil this is why God can only be the root of all evil because all evil spawned from him He didn't creat "the evil" he created a being that choose to do evil. Free will can not be forseen, and is why we have free will on earth, no one is predestinned for hell or heaven our choices we make chooses that. Same with the devil, God did not creat Satan evil it's Satan that "CHOOSE" to be evil used his free will to do as such and thus was punished with being kicked out of heaven. God did not create satan to be evil, so therefore God is not the root of all evil because he did not creat Satan to be evil. Again with free will, Satan choose to be the way he is now. |
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Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14) "As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you." Ouch! The zionist influence in Deuteronomy is well explained in "The Controversy Of Zion" as early as the first chapter. It's quite interesting, IMO. So you want me to read an anti-semite's conspiracy book for an answer? No thanks not interested. It is what it says... You confuse anti-Zionism with anti-semitism. The book does not oppose or espouse hate for Jews (it makes this very clear to the intelligent reader), but Zionists. It goes into a lot of Jewish history, in fact. Here is the bibliography of the book (note that these are legit historical sources you can check for yourself)- BIBLIOGRAPHY OK, so explain how this is out of context...or someone else's fault. "Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14) "As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you." This is explained in detail in Chapter 3, "The Levites and The Law". I'm not going to copy it for you when you can much more easily read it yourself. I don't read material that someone like David Duke uses to promote hatred...and that's why I do not regard the bible as "truth" either. Same reason. There's a lot of sadistic and immoral writings in that book...there's no logical explaination for the passage I posted...it is what it is. But play if that's all that can be done to answer a simple question. Yet you'll call Hitchen's a God, and think George Carlin was a wise man. You're a Hypocrite. |
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God created evil in a sence. But still nevertheless God does no evil. Cowboy this is a total contradiction if someone or some entity knowingly creates evil in any shape form or fashion....they at that point in time is in the act of doing evil this is why God can only be the root of all evil because all evil spawned from him Were evil a "thing" - you could say that were true. But in the strictist sense of the word - evil is not a quantitative thing, but a lack ther-of. It is analogous to darkness. And darkness is a word that describes the absence of something. You cannot "create" darkness. |
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As we have been told we are made in his image. and we are each of us able to be both good and evil... God itself must be both good and evil. Good exists... As does evil. As god is rumored to be 'all things' god itself must be both good and evil or 'all things' would be a lie. Same with this. Good and evil are not opposites - like East and West. They are quantities like Light and darkness. Warm and Cold. In the scientific world - you cannot measure darkness or cold - because they do not exist. |
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As we have been told we are made in his image. and we are each of us able to be both good and evil... God itself must be both good and evil. Good exists... As does evil. As god is rumored to be 'all things' god itself must be both good and evil or 'all things' would be a lie. God created evil in a sence. He created Satan, and Satan was an angel the most beautiful powerful angel. But satan started to get an ego and claim to be more powerful then God, and that is when God cast Satan and his minions into what we call hell. So in the long run yes God created evil. But still nevertheless God does no evil. Anything evil that happens on earth is from Satan. And yes God allows evil to stay on earth for the time being cause Satan thinks even still he is more powerful then God. And God is allowing the devil to tempt us to sin as to make a test out of our lives and give us the chance to choose right or choose wrong. Also keep in mind we worship God through our good deads on earth. Unlike other religions, we don't sacrifice or anything like that, not sinning and doing good deeds is our sacrifice. So in a sence when we do good deads we're worshipping God and when we do bad things we're worshipping Satan. Still gotta wonder about a couple of things. What could've posessed Satan and made him think he was more powerful than the creater of the universe? And, since God knows everything, and God created Satan, wouldn't anything Satan does be a direct result of how God made him? There can be no free will for any creature made by a being who knows everything. Satan would be doing as God made him to do. If, as you say, "God does no evil", is true, then it must also be true that God created Satan to do the "evil" for Him. Which is to say God essentially hired a hitman. Even we puny mortals consider the hirer of a hitman as culpable as the hitman. So God is responsible for all evil. Satan is just his lackey, doing the job God created him to do. |
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God created evil in a sence. But still nevertheless God does no evil. Cowboy this is a total contradiction if someone or some entity knowingly creates evil in any shape form or fashion....they at that point in time is in the act of doing evil this is why God can only be the root of all evil because all evil spawned from him He didn't creat "the evil" he created a being that choose to do evil. Free will can not be forseen, and is why we have free will on earth, no one is predestinned for hell or heaven our choices we make chooses that. Same with the devil, God did not creat Satan evil it's Satan that "CHOOSE" to be evil used his free will to do as such and thus was punished with being kicked out of heaven. God did not create satan to be evil, so therefore God is not the root of all evil because he did not creat Satan to be evil. Again with free will, Satan choose to be the way he is now. If "free will can not be forseen", as you say, then God does not know everything. If God says he knows everything, he is a fibber. However, the statement "free will can not be forseen" is of course completely wrong. I "forsee" the actions of others all the time. Most people do. They've even discovered specialized parts of the brain responsible for gaging how others will act in a given situation. I'm fairly certain any being smart and knowledgable enough to know how to create a universe and life would also have the ability of forsight. |
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God created evil in a sence. But still nevertheless God does no evil. Cowboy this is a total contradiction if someone or some entity knowingly creates evil in any shape form or fashion....they at that point in time is in the act of doing evil this is why God can only be the root of all evil because all evil spawned from him Were evil a "thing" - you could say that were true. But in the strictist sense of the word - evil is not a quantitative thing, but a lack ther-of. It is analogous to darkness. And darkness is a word that describes the absence of something. You cannot "create" darkness. you such a funny guy... 
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As we have been told we are made in his image. and we are each of us able to be both good and evil... God itself must be both good and evil. Good exists... As does evil. As god is rumored to be 'all things' god itself must be both good and evil or 'all things' would be a lie. Same with this. Good and evil are not opposites - like East and West. They are quantities like Light and darkness. Warm and Cold. In the scientific world - you cannot measure darkness or cold - because they do not exist. I thought we showed how silly this argument was in another thread already... |
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And God is allowing the devil to tempt us to sin as to make a test out of our lives and give us the chance to choose right or choose wrong. . so Christians that knowingly commit sin are following Satan and not God .... yes christians that knowlingly and willingly commit sin are worshipping Satan at that (those) moments. Again not saying i'm perfect in anyway shape or form i fail in many cases with sinning and doing the Devils will. I just kick myself in the butt and try even harder after that failure and pray for forgiveness and strenght. so this type of Christian sect would be refer to as being Christian Satanist? |
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God created evil in a sence. But still nevertheless God does no evil. Cowboy this is a total contradiction if someone or some entity knowingly creates evil in any shape form or fashion....they at that point in time is in the act of doing evil this is why God can only be the root of all evil because all evil spawned from him He didn't creat "the evil" he created a being that choose to do evil. and that is how evil spawn from the roots of God..... also if you claim that God didn't create "the evil" then that is the proof that things exist that God didn't create ...therefore God is not the creator of everything |
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As we have been told we are made in his image. and we are each of us able to be both good and evil... God itself must be both good and evil. Good exists... As does evil. As god is rumored to be 'all things' god itself must be both good and evil or 'all things' would be a lie. God created evil in a sence. He created Satan, and Satan was an angel the most beautiful powerful angel. But satan started to get an ego and claim to be more powerful then God, and that is when God cast Satan and his minions into what we call hell. So in the long run yes God created evil. But still nevertheless God does no evil. Anything evil that happens on earth is from Satan. And yes God allows evil to stay on earth for the time being cause Satan thinks even still he is more powerful then God. And God is allowing the devil to tempt us to sin as to make a test out of our lives and give us the chance to choose right or choose wrong. Also keep in mind we worship God through our good deads on earth. Unlike other religions, we don't sacrifice or anything like that, not sinning and doing good deeds is our sacrifice. So in a sence when we do good deads we're worshipping God and when we do bad things we're worshipping Satan. Still gotta wonder about a couple of things. What could've posessed Satan and made him think he was more powerful than the creater of the universe? And, since God knows everything, and God created Satan, wouldn't anything Satan does be a direct result of how God made him? There can be no free will for any creature made by a being who knows everything. Satan would be doing as God made him to do. If, as you say, "God does no evil", is true, then it must also be true that God created Satan to do the "evil" for Him. Which is to say God essentially hired a hitman. Even we puny mortals consider the hirer of a hitman as culpable as the hitman. So God is responsible for all evil. Satan is just his lackey, doing the job God created him to do. I think this all comes back to free will.It is obvious that even in Heaven that the Angels had free will to do right and wrong.The bible has written many times about the judgement of angels.If you have free will then it is possible to do things like rebel against God even in heaven.I don't believe that this was necessarly evil but just a case of someone wanting more than they were happy with in the case of Satan.It's probably safe to say that after the rapture when the earth is destroyed along with all the evil.That when we do go to heaven our free will to rebel and do other acts against God will not be allowed like it was before. God may know everything but he makes it clear that it is up to us to choose our destiny.If we want to rebel against God and do evil then he will punish us for it.God does not want programmed robots.He wants people to do his word and he wants people to choose which road they are going to take.Saying that Satan is Gods hitman has some truth in it.The bible tells us time and time again that if we rebel against God he will not protect us and naturally leave us in Satans hands. |
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As we have been told we are made in his image. and we are each of us able to be both good and evil... God itself must be both good and evil. Good exists... As does evil. As god is rumored to be 'all things' god itself must be both good and evil or 'all things' would be a lie. God created evil in a sence. He created Satan, and Satan was an angel the most beautiful powerful angel. But satan started to get an ego and claim to be more powerful then God, and that is when God cast Satan and his minions into what we call hell. So in the long run yes God created evil. But still nevertheless God does no evil. Anything evil that happens on earth is from Satan. And yes God allows evil to stay on earth for the time being cause Satan thinks even still he is more powerful then God. And God is allowing the devil to tempt us to sin as to make a test out of our lives and give us the chance to choose right or choose wrong. Also keep in mind we worship God through our good deads on earth. Unlike other religions, we don't sacrifice or anything like that, not sinning and doing good deeds is our sacrifice. So in a sence when we do good deads we're worshipping God and when we do bad things we're worshipping Satan. Still gotta wonder about a couple of things. What could've posessed Satan and made him think he was more powerful than the creater of the universe? And, since God knows everything, and God created Satan, wouldn't anything Satan does be a direct result of how God made him? There can be no free will for any creature made by a being who knows everything. Satan would be doing as God made him to do. If, as you say, "God does no evil", is true, then it must also be true that God created Satan to do the "evil" for Him. Which is to say God essentially hired a hitman. Even we puny mortals consider the hirer of a hitman as culpable as the hitman. So God is responsible for all evil. Satan is just his lackey, doing the job God created him to do. I think this all comes back to free will.It is obvious that even in Heaven that the Angels had free will to do right and wrong.The bible has written many times about the judgement of angels.If you have free will then it is possible to do things like rebel against God even in heaven.I don't believe that this was necessarly evil but just a case of someone wanting more than they were happy with in the case of Satan.It's probably safe to say that after the rapture when the earth is destroyed along with all the evil.That when we do go to heaven our free will to rebel and do other acts against God will not be allowed like it was before. God may know everything but he makes it clear that it is up to us to choose our destiny.If we want to rebel against God and do evil then he will punish us for it.God does not want programmed robots.He wants people to do his word and he wants people to choose which road they are going to take.Saying that Satan is Gods hitman has some truth in it.The bible tells us time and time again that if we rebel against God he will not protect us and naturally leave us in Satans hands. exactly, the future and our choices are not set in stone in anyway. There is no way to know the future of free will because thats what it is free will and we will be judged on how we were. We are not programmed and if God knew our actions through our entire life before we did them there would be no reason for us to be here doing them. Free will is unknown until it's done. |
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God did certainly created evil...he created George W
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God did certainly created evil...he created George W again you can relate this to what is being discussed about the Devil. God created bush yes, but still nevertheless Bush has free will to do as he wishes. God creates US God does not creat our actions, we do as such. |
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exactly, the future and our choices are not set in stone in anyway. Cowboy....then that means there is no such thing as prophecy and it would render the entire bible as being fake ... for example ... could the virgin mary use her free will not to have the baby Jesus |
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