Topic: CRAZY stuff from the bible (((ô¿ô)))
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Thu 01/28/10 03:35 PM
“I and the Father are one” (John 10:30).

"If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me; but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father." ( John 10:37-38)

John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, "I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

John 1:1 says that “the Word was God.” John 1:14 says that “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us” This clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, "...Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood." Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. Acts 20:28 declares that God purchased the church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

When many were about to stone Jesus for blasphemy (John 10:30-39), He said to them that said he blasphemed "because I said, I am the Son of God?" (John 10:36).

You call Me Teacher and Lord; and ye say well; for so I Am. John 13:13

he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:9

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24

Once, a paralytic man was presented before Jesus for healing (Luke 5:17-26), and Jesus said, “Man, thy sins are forgiven thee” (Luke 5:20). And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone? (Luke 5:21). But Jesus (God in flesh) knew their thoughts and queried,

But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts? Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house. (Luke 5:22-24)
And immediately he rose up before them, and took up that whereon he lay, and departed to his own house, glorifying God


markumX's photo
Thu 01/28/10 06:16 PM
this your evidence? In none of those does Jesus say he's God.
You fail to answer ...
A) Why does Jesus speak of his father
B) why does he pray is he talking to himself

CowboyGH's photo
Thu 01/28/10 07:00 PM
Jesus was part of God, you and I are part of God.

We are all parts of God.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Fri 01/29/10 06:26 AM

this your evidence? In none of those does Jesus say he's God.
You fail to answer ...
A) Why does Jesus speak of his father
B) why does he pray is he talking to himself


John 8:17-18
7 In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two men is valid. 18 I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me."
NIV


Good Questions...Shalom...Miles

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/29/10 06:35 AM
I always interpreted Jesus words to mean he is part of the Father. In much the way it is said that God made woman from man and commanded they cleave to each other as one, I always thought that the FATHER sent Jesus as a part of himself and that Jesus was one with God , the way a wife is with a husband.

Just one interpretation though.

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Fri 01/29/10 07:44 AM

Jesus was part of God, you and I are part of God.

We are all parts of God.


perhaps God is the bad part....like vengence,judgement,envy and jealousy

MiddleEarthling's photo
Fri 01/29/10 08:33 AM

Jesus was part of God, you and I are part of God.

We are all parts of God.


Not me, I am a child of planet Earth who doesn't use an ambiguous, cryptic fairytale book to try to know right from wrong or to live my life contented.

But have fun with your book, all I and many others ask is that you quit trying to push it into our schools and government. It would also be nice if you'd stop voting for morons...like the Dippic, gee how did that work for ya?









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Fri 01/29/10 09:45 AM


It's amusing but shocking as well that some take the bible so literally. It's a book of contradictions that keeps it's readers confused and easily mis-led. It's no wonder that almost all conflicts and discriminations are created from it's writings.



"Is it any wonder the monkey's confused"...Roger Waters

Here's the link, pick your favorites:

http://sites.google.com/site/leavingxtianity/babble

"For I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger forever." (Jeremiah 3:12)
"Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever." (Jeremiah 17:4)

"If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid." (John 5:31)
"Jesus answered: Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid." (John 8:14)

"And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth." (Matthew 28:18)
"the whole world is under control of the evil one." (1 John 5:19)

And Jesus said, "For judgement I am come into this world." (John 9:39)
"I came not to judge the world" (John 12:47)

"Jacob said, 'I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.'" (Genesis 32:30)
"No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)

We should fear God (Matthew 10:28)
We should love God (Matthew 22:37)
There is no fear in love (1 John 4:18)

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"But anyone who says 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." (Jesus) Mat 5:22

"You fools!" (Jesus) Luke 11:40
"You blind fools!" (Jesus) Mat 23:17
"How foolish you are" (Jesus) Luke 24:25

"But God said to him, 'You fool!' " (Jesus) Luke 12:20

"You foolish Galatians!" (St. Paul) Galatians 3:1
"You foolish man" James 2:20










What we have here is the classic Atheist thinking they are smarter than everyone else because they can post a few bible verses and discredit the bible.Do you really think that God has the same frame of mind forever?Do you really think he does not change his mind on issues?Of course he does.The old testament is full of stories where God changed his decisions on what he was planning on doing.You must also keep in mind that your are talking a span of over 4000 years before Jesus was even born.The old testament wasn't written until around 1200 to 100 BC.You have any idea how many times God would have changed his mind in those 3,000 years?If you are going to get into confrontations with the bible,I would look at Gods last statements and final judgements as the later often cancels out the earlier.

I will make clear these bible verses post by post...


Wow. You've just stated that God is neither perfect nor is he all knowing. If he was, he wouldn't have to change his mind, he'd be right the first time.
Thanks...lol

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Fri 01/29/10 09:56 AM
Thomas3474, how exactly do you keep 2 completely opposite positions, statements and what have you, in your head and believe they don't conflict with each other?
Black and white are opposites. No, really black and white are the same because of blah blah blah.

Seriously, how do people do this to themselves? How do people that do this get past intersections w/ stoplights? I'm sure they could make the case that red and green are really the same thing.

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Fri 01/29/10 09:59 AM

I always interpreted Jesus words to mean he is part of the Father. In much the way it is said that God made woman from man and commanded they cleave to each other as one, I always thought that the FATHER sent Jesus as a part of himself and that Jesus was one with God , the way a wife is with a husband.

Just one interpretation though.


You think Jesus had sex w/ God? interesting...

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Fri 01/29/10 10:35 AM


I always interpreted Jesus words to mean he is part of the Father. In much the way it is said that God made woman from man and commanded they cleave to each other as one, I always thought that the FATHER sent Jesus as a part of himself and that Jesus was one with God , the way a wife is with a husband.

Just one interpretation though.


You think Jesus had sex w/ God? interesting...


I think that crazy stuff from the bible makes it's readers...crazy, but they will defend these bizarre writings even if they have to kill you to prove it.

They've killed a million Muslims by supporting this guy:






Shasta1's photo
Fri 01/29/10 11:54 AM
The Bible was written by man. It also was passed down verbally generation to generation. Like the game telephone, by the time it was written many different interpetations were involved. The church also got involved with it and then changed many versus to please themselves and control people. I am not saying that what is in there is incorrect but that accounts for God being vengeful (scare tactics)
which I highly doubt, and all the inconsistancies. I studied the Bible in college, and have read it many times.

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Fri 01/29/10 11:55 AM


I always interpreted Jesus words to mean he is part of the Father. In much the way it is said that God made woman from man and commanded they cleave to each other as one, I always thought that the FATHER sent Jesus as a part of himself and that Jesus was one with God , the way a wife is with a husband.

Just one interpretation though.


You think Jesus had sex w/ God? interesting...


No, I dont interject sex into every relationship.

Cleave: : to adhere firmly and closely or loyally and unwaveringly

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Sat 01/30/10 07:56 AM



I always interpreted Jesus words to mean he is part of the Father. In much the way it is said that God made woman from man and commanded they cleave to each other as one, I always thought that the FATHER sent Jesus as a part of himself and that Jesus was one with God , the way a wife is with a husband.

Just one interpretation though.


You think Jesus had sex w/ God? interesting...


I think that crazy stuff from the bible makes it's readers...crazy, but they will defend these bizarre writings even if they have to kill you to prove it.

They've killed a million Muslims by supporting this guy:








I'd have to agree. You'd have to be at least a little crazy to say 2 completely opposite things are not in conflict with each other---and mean it.

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Sat 01/30/10 08:01 AM



I always interpreted Jesus words to mean he is part of the Father. In much the way it is said that God made woman from man and commanded they cleave to each other as one, I always thought that the FATHER sent Jesus as a part of himself and that Jesus was one with God , the way a wife is with a husband.

Just one interpretation though.


You think Jesus had sex w/ God? interesting...


No, I dont interject sex into every relationship.

Cleave: : to adhere firmly and closely or loyally and unwaveringly


I don't know too many instances where a "wife is with a husband" that didn't involve sex.

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Sat 01/30/10 08:27 AM




I always interpreted Jesus words to mean he is part of the Father. In much the way it is said that God made woman from man and commanded they cleave to each other as one, I always thought that the FATHER sent Jesus as a part of himself and that Jesus was one with God , the way a wife is with a husband.

Just one interpretation though.


You think Jesus had sex w/ God? interesting...


No, I dont interject sex into every relationship.

Cleave: : to adhere firmly and closely or loyally and unwaveringly


I don't know too many instances where a "wife is with a husband" that didn't involve sex.


Maybe he doeth his laundry?

And what of this in context?


creativesoul's photo
Sat 01/30/10 08:38 AM
I am always amazed at how some people attempt to discredit the interpretation of certain scripture(s) by claiming it is taken 'out of context'.

Tell me please - anyone who believes - in exactly WHAT context is mercilessly killing women and children to be considered as 'good'?

huh

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Sat 01/30/10 09:13 AM


Miles, what 'religion' are you affiliated with,,,although I dont always agree with your interpretation I have much respect for your knowledge ,,,,,

I studied the bible with Jehovahs Witnesses for this same reason,, their knowledge(even when I didnt always agree with their interpretation).


kudos to you , hey , perhaps the moderators would let there be a bible study forum,,( i dont know, might be seen as violation of some constitutional right or something),,,but it would be a nice thing to have, I enjoy reading your posts,,,you are inspiring me to STUDY even deeper the good book.


Just so you know, the constitution doesn't really apply to a private owned website.


You can have a Bible study in the Christian Singles forum. I think some people have tried it before. But, it usually leads to a lot of fighting among Christians.

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Sat 01/30/10 09:14 AM

I am always amazed at how some people attempt to discredit the interpretation of certain scripture(s) by claiming it is taken 'out of context'.

Tell me please - anyone who believes - in exactly WHAT context is mercilessly killing women and children to be considered as 'good'?

huh


This is explained in the book 'The Controversy Of Zion", if you're interested in a detailed answer.

Ruth34611's photo
Sat 01/30/10 09:15 AM

I am always amazed at how some people attempt to discredit the interpretation of certain scripture(s) by claiming it is taken 'out of context'.

Tell me please - anyone who believes - in exactly WHAT context is mercilessly killing women and children to be considered as 'good'?

huh


That is in the OT and most Christians conveniently dismiss the OT as "no longer applying". Which, if it no longer applies, why is it still a part of their Bible?