Topic: CRAZY stuff from the bible (((ô¿ô)))
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Sun 01/31/10 08:01 AM


Instances like this are examples of the perversion of the oral tradition when the Judah-ites (tribe of Judah) created the written tradition. You would definitely benefit from reading the book I mentioned before-the Controversy of Zion. There's a lot of detail and history explained therein.


Thanks! I found it online. :thumbsup:

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Sun 01/31/10 09:53 AM



Instances like this are examples of the perversion of the oral tradition when the Judah-ites (tribe of Judah) created the written tradition. You would definitely benefit from reading the book I mentioned before-the Controversy of Zion. There's a lot of detail and history explained therein.


Thanks! I found it online. :thumbsup:


You're welcome! Hope you enjoy it. flowerforyou

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Sun 01/31/10 03:50 PM
Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."

Ouch!




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Sun 01/31/10 04:00 PM
Edited by heavenlyboy34 on Sun 01/31/10 04:01 PM

Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."

Ouch!






The zionist influence in Deuteronomy is well explained in "The Controversy Of Zion" as early as the first chapter. It's quite interesting, IMO.

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Sun 01/31/10 04:23 PM


Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."

Ouch!



The zionist influence in Deuteronomy is well explained in "The Controversy Of Zion" as early as the first chapter. It's quite interesting, IMO.


So you want me to read an anti-semite's conspiracy book for an answer?

No thanks not interested. It is what it says...




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Sun 01/31/10 05:00 PM
Edited by heavenlyboy34 on Sun 01/31/10 05:03 PM



Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."

Ouch!



The zionist influence in Deuteronomy is well explained in "The Controversy Of Zion" as early as the first chapter. It's quite interesting, IMO.


So you want me to read an anti-semite's conspiracy book for an answer?

No thanks not interested. It is what it says...


You confuse anti-Zionism with anti-semitism. The book does not oppose or espouse hate for Jews (it makes this very clear to the intelligent reader), but Zionists. It goes into a lot of Jewish history, in fact.

Here is the bibliography of the book (note that these are legit historical sources you can check for yourself)-

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Sun 01/31/10 05:05 PM




Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."

Ouch!



The zionist influence in Deuteronomy is well explained in "The Controversy Of Zion" as early as the first chapter. It's quite interesting, IMO.


So you want me to read an anti-semite's conspiracy book for an answer?

No thanks not interested. It is what it says...


You confuse anti-Zionism with anti-semitism. The book does not oppose or espouse hate for Jews (it makes this very clear to the intelligent reader), but Zionists. It goes into a lot of Jewish history, in fact.

Here is the bibliography of the book (note that these are legit historical sources you can check for yourself)-

BIBLIOGRAPHY


OK, so explain how this is out of context...or someone else's fault.

"Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."

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Sun 01/31/10 05:17 PM





Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."

Ouch!



The zionist influence in Deuteronomy is well explained in "The Controversy Of Zion" as early as the first chapter. It's quite interesting, IMO.


So you want me to read an anti-semite's conspiracy book for an answer?

No thanks not interested. It is what it says...


You confuse anti-Zionism with anti-semitism. The book does not oppose or espouse hate for Jews (it makes this very clear to the intelligent reader), but Zionists. It goes into a lot of Jewish history, in fact.

Here is the bibliography of the book (note that these are legit historical sources you can check for yourself)-

BIBLIOGRAPHY


OK, so explain how this is out of context...or someone else's fault.

"Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."



This is explained in detail in Chapter 3, "The Levites and The Law". I'm not going to copy it for you when you can much more easily read it yourself.

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Sun 01/31/10 05:24 PM
Here is the book online.

http://knud.eriksen.adr.dk/Controversybook/

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Sun 01/31/10 05:28 PM






Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."

Ouch!



The zionist influence in Deuteronomy is well explained in "The Controversy Of Zion" as early as the first chapter. It's quite interesting, IMO.


So you want me to read an anti-semite's conspiracy book for an answer?

No thanks not interested. It is what it says...


You confuse anti-Zionism with anti-semitism. The book does not oppose or espouse hate for Jews (it makes this very clear to the intelligent reader), but Zionists. It goes into a lot of Jewish history, in fact.

Here is the bibliography of the book (note that these are legit historical sources you can check for yourself)-

BIBLIOGRAPHY


OK, so explain how this is out of context...or someone else's fault.

"Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."



This is explained in detail in Chapter 3, "The Levites and The Law". I'm not going to copy it for you when you can much more easily read it yourself.


I don't read material that someone like David Duke uses to promote hatred...and that's why I do not regard the bible as "truth" either. Same reason. There's a lot of sadistic and immoral writings in that book...there's no logical explaination for the passage I posted...it is what it is.

But play if that's all that can be done to answer a simple question.








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Sun 01/31/10 05:30 PM

Thanks. :)

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Sun 01/31/10 05:36 PM







Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."

Ouch!



The zionist influence in Deuteronomy is well explained in "The Controversy Of Zion" as early as the first chapter. It's quite interesting, IMO.


So you want me to read an anti-semite's conspiracy book for an answer?

No thanks not interested. It is what it says...


You confuse anti-Zionism with anti-semitism. The book does not oppose or espouse hate for Jews (it makes this very clear to the intelligent reader), but Zionists. It goes into a lot of Jewish history, in fact.

Here is the bibliography of the book (note that these are legit historical sources you can check for yourself)-

BIBLIOGRAPHY


OK, so explain how this is out of context...or someone else's fault.

"Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."



This is explained in detail in Chapter 3, "The Levites and The Law". I'm not going to copy it for you when you can much more easily read it yourself.


I don't read material that someone like David Duke uses to promote hatred...and that's why I do not regard the bible as "truth" either. Same reason. There's a lot of sadistic and immoral writings in that book...there's no logical explaination for the passage I posted...it is what it is.

But play if that's all that can be done to answer a simple question.



Ah, the old "silence the ones who dare question the establishment" rhetorical trick. The fact that you had to bring David Duke into the discussion tells me that you aren't interested in an intellectual approach to the matter at hand-you want to quelch anyone who dares seek truth in a world of distortions. Not cool-very neoconnish of you. noway I would ask you to please engage the subject seriously or not at all. Thanks. drinker

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Sun 01/31/10 08:32 PM








Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."

Ouch!



The zionist influence in Deuteronomy is well explained in "The Controversy Of Zion" as early as the first chapter. It's quite interesting, IMO.


So you want me to read an anti-semite's conspiracy book for an answer?

No thanks not interested. It is what it says...


You confuse anti-Zionism with anti-semitism. The book does not oppose or espouse hate for Jews (it makes this very clear to the intelligent reader), but Zionists. It goes into a lot of Jewish history, in fact.

Here is the bibliography of the book (note that these are legit historical sources you can check for yourself)-

BIBLIOGRAPHY


OK, so explain how this is out of context...or someone else's fault.

"Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."



This is explained in detail in Chapter 3, "The Levites and The Law". I'm not going to copy it for you when you can much more easily read it yourself.


I don't read material that someone like David Duke uses to promote hatred...and that's why I do not regard the bible as "truth" either. Same reason. There's a lot of sadistic and immoral writings in that book...there's no logical explaination for the passage I posted...it is what it is.

But play if that's all that can be done to answer a simple question.



Ah, the old "silence the ones who dare question the establishment" rhetorical trick. The fact that you had to bring David Duke into the discussion tells me that you aren't interested in an intellectual approach to the matter at hand-you want to quelch anyone who dares seek truth in a world of distortions. Not cool-very neoconnish of you. noway I would ask you to please engage the subject seriously or not at all. Thanks. drinker


Heh, I asked for an explaination which is the opposite of the claim there.

There is no "intellect" in discussing fairytales of sordid stories of death and destruction...one that promotes ignorances and urges on discriminations....hinders advancing science and knowledge.

"Neo-connish", that's laughable since the Neo-cons played the religious people in this country like a banjo. Sucked up that old time religion vote...nearly ruined my beloved country...did in some ways. As someone who served I resent that.

Neo-cons are GOP. Not sure how anyone could mistake me as belonging to a party of obstructions ideologues.

This is the year 2010 and still some humans are too paranoid to move on. What are they scared of? Oh yea oh yea...






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Sun 01/31/10 09:15 PM
Edited by heavenlyboy34 on Sun 01/31/10 09:17 PM









Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."

Ouch!



The zionist influence in Deuteronomy is well explained in "The Controversy Of Zion" as early as the first chapter. It's quite interesting, IMO.


So you want me to read an anti-semite's conspiracy book for an answer?

No thanks not interested. It is what it says...


You confuse anti-Zionism with anti-semitism. The book does not oppose or espouse hate for Jews (it makes this very clear to the intelligent reader), but Zionists. It goes into a lot of Jewish history, in fact.

Here is the bibliography of the book (note that these are legit historical sources you can check for yourself)-

BIBLIOGRAPHY


OK, so explain how this is out of context...or someone else's fault.

"Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."



This is explained in detail in Chapter 3, "The Levites and The Law". I'm not going to copy it for you when you can much more easily read it yourself.


I don't read material that someone like David Duke uses to promote hatred...and that's why I do not regard the bible as "truth" either. Same reason. There's a lot of sadistic and immoral writings in that book...there's no logical explaination for the passage I posted...it is what it is.

But play if that's all that can be done to answer a simple question.



Ah, the old "silence the ones who dare question the establishment" rhetorical trick. The fact that you had to bring David Duke into the discussion tells me that you aren't interested in an intellectual approach to the matter at hand-you want to quelch anyone who dares seek truth in a world of distortions. Not cool-very neoconnish of you. noway I would ask you to please engage the subject seriously or not at all. Thanks. drinker


Heh, I asked for an explaination which is the opposite of the claim there.

There is no "intellect" in discussing fairytales of sordid stories of death and destruction...one that promotes ignorances and urges on discriminations....hinders advancing science and knowledge.

"Neo-connish", that's laughable since the Neo-cons played the religious people in this country like a banjo. Sucked up that old time religion vote...nearly ruined my beloved country...did in some ways. As someone who served I resent that.

Neo-cons are GOP. Not sure how anyone could mistake me as belonging to a party of obstructions ideologues.

This is the year 2010 and still some humans are too paranoid to move on. What are they scared of? Oh yea oh yea...





It's true that 'There is no "intellect" in discussing fairytales of sordid stories of death and destruction...one that promotes ignorances and urges on discriminations....hinders advancing science and knowledge.' You err in assuming that the aforementioned text is such a "fairytale". Thus, both your premise and conclusion are false. There is a bibliography of sources to back this up (which you conveniently forgot to check).

What makes you sound neoconnish is your irrational defense of Zionism and hastily labeling critics of such as "anti-semitic". A key part of neoconservative philosophy is a violent, immoral, and unconstitutional foreign policy, often (and usually) using Israel as a justification for such-as well as defending immoral and/or illegal actions by the Israeli State.

Neocons tend to be GOP, but they have bipartisan influence. Bill Kristol, one of the leading neocons, was critical of Bush II for not being extreme enough, you know. (he also dismissed the Reverend Wright affair in a recent column) Neocon influence carries on into the Obama admin, as I expected it would.

See ya later.

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And what is really amusing is some people consider "understanding and excepting" the craziness of the bible makes them superior and better than all others. More deserving of good graces and all that.

The separate texts used for the bible were stories or ramblings of someone who was capable of writing back then, which was rare. Each text was made separately not intending to be included in a book later. Then when the good ole king got ahold of the texts he altered them to fit his ideals and made a book out of them. Leaving some of those old texts out because they didn't fit his agenda or might have been written by a woman.

The bible is the creation of a king.

He saw the opportunity for control through fear and took it.

It is not a positive influence in the context of it being "holy" because it teaches divisiveness, superiority and hypocrisy. Now if someone read it as just a book as it is, then maybe it could be a view into the minds of say King James and possibly some into the minds of men older than him. Outside of that it is not a positive influence on men and is really bad for women.


Knowing the bible makes absolutely no one superior, better, greater, or anything of such. We are all equal and the same, no superior. And what proof do you have of the king altering anything? Have you seen and know the original scriptures? What proof do you have of the alteration? And how does it teach divisiveness, superiority, and hyprocricy? And how is it not a positive influence on men and women? Tells us to almost worship each other. We are to give unconditional love to each other, be kind, generouse, and make sure other people have what they need. Yes it says the man is the head of the family, this DOES NOT meen he has the right to order everyone around. But quite the contrary, he has the responsibility to make sure the family has what it needs and bring every family member to God and live life how we are suppose to. And how is it really bad for women?


Look up the Dead Sea Scolls. You'll see quite a lot of things left out, altered, changed for what you now call the Bible.

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And what is really amusing is some people consider "understanding and excepting" the craziness of the bible makes them superior and better than all others. More deserving of good graces and all that.

The separate texts used for the bible were stories or ramblings of someone who was capable of writing back then, which was rare. Each text was made separately not intending to be included in a book later. Then when the good ole king got ahold of the texts he altered them to fit his ideals and made a book out of them. Leaving some of those old texts out because they didn't fit his agenda or might have been written by a woman.

The bible is the creation of a king.

He saw the opportunity for control through fear and took it.

It is not a positive influence in the context of it being "holy" because it teaches divisiveness, superiority and hypocrisy. Now if someone read it as just a book as it is, then maybe it could be a view into the minds of say King James and possibly some into the minds of men older than him. Outside of that it is not a positive influence on men and is really bad for women.


Knowing the bible makes absolutely no one superior, better, greater, or anything of such. We are all equal and the same, no superior. And what proof do you have of the king altering anything? Have you seen and know the original scriptures? What proof do you have of the alteration? And how does it teach divisiveness, superiority, and hyprocricy? And how is it not a positive influence on men and women? Tells us to almost worship each other. We are to give unconditional love to each other, be kind, generouse, and make sure other people have what they need. Yes it says the man is the head of the family, this DOES NOT meen he has the right to order everyone around. But quite the contrary, he has the responsibility to make sure the family has what it needs and bring every family member to God and live life how we are suppose to. And how is it really bad for women?



http://www.allabouttruth.org/king-james-bible.htm This a religious site that tells of king james actions. It encourages reading it, I do not though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible, tells some of where the original information came from and how many translations and alterations have been made.

Any book that teaches man to kill each other and to discriminate against each other in his name is not good for man. It is divisive and teaches superiority and hypocrisy.

Women are nothing better than possessions in the bible along with eve being the cause of man's disgrace. How do you get over that? You know a man who was a misogynist wrote that part.

You can answer all these questions for yourself if you opened your mind to the reason for a religion like the one you believe in.


The bible does not teach us to kill or discriminate. Tells us not to murder, as a matter of fact Commandment 6 thou shall not murder, tells us strickly that killing is against gods will. And we are not to discriminate, we are all sinners. And woman are not possessions in the bible. Strickly tells the man to love and charish his wife.


love and cherish his wife....like the good work animal she is...lol

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"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you may nations...then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy." Deuteronomy 7:1-2, NIV. 1

"...do not leave alive anything that breaths. Completely destroy them...as the Lord your God has commanded you..." Deuteronomy 20:16, NIV. 1


Is this enough, or do you need more of the hundreds of examples?

Is this a mistake that we should learn from, CowboyGH?

huh


No that particular verse(s) isn't a lesson, just history. You are taking it out of context as well. For the people before Jesus came to earth the first time, that followed the old testiment it was eye for eye, tooth for tooth. If someone smacked you upside the head, you were allowed to smack them back. But no more, we are to now turn the other cheek. These people that are being destroyed were worshipping idols and what they believed to be Gods. This is punishment for wrong doings. People that lived during the old testiment were punished on earth for their wrong doings, but that was in the old testiment and that has been fullfilled. In our law *the new testiment* we will be punished for our wrong doings after we die, or praised and rewarded for our good doings depending on what that particular person's verdict comes out after judgement.


I'm sure all the little children and babies were grateful for God's mercy that day....

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Where do you guys get this stuff and why does everyone have to have an attitude of proving a Bible believer wrong? There is so much descention and general distain for a person who chooses to believe
what they believe.
One day we will ALL know for sure who was right-
At least I see the people who defend the Bible apologize if they are wrong.
Its like a pitbull fight with some of you folks just going for the kill.
Its heart breaking to see man treating fellow man with such distain and disreguard just to prove a point.



very true, i completely agree with you there. Yes christians do try to make others believe in the bible, but we don't usually do it in such of an aggressive way as the none believers do usually, atleast most of the christians don't. We open our arms and welcome you if you wish to come, if not we don't disown the ones that don't believe and or talk down on them for their belief.



Really? When was the last time a non believer tried to beat you up because you believed in God? When was the last time a non believer smashed up part of your car for believing? NEVER.

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Tue 02/02/10 08:04 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Tue 02/02/10 08:07 PM

Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."

Ouch!







You can sure tell that this is a warring man's logic and not one of a loving god, that is for sure.

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Tue 02/02/10 11:40 PM
Divinely inspired...

ohwell