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Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Sat 01/30/10 09:16 AM
I am always amazed at how some people attempt to discredit the interpretation of certain scripture(s) by claiming it is taken 'out of context'. Tell me please - anyone who believes - in exactly WHAT context is mercilessly killing women and children to be considered as 'good'? This is explained in the book 'The Controversy Of Zion", if you're interested in a detailed answer. I am. And, thank you for the recommendation.

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Sat 01/30/10 09:28 AM
This is explained in the book 'The Controversy Of Zion", if you're interested in a detailed answer. Looks like it's online for free, which is good since a used copy on Amazon is going for $1000.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 01/30/10 12:29 PM
I am always amazed at how some people attempt to discredit the interpretation of certain scripture(s) by claiming it is taken 'out of context'. Tell me please - anyone who believes - in exactly WHAT context is mercilessly killing women and children to be considered as 'good'? That is in the OT and most Christians conveniently dismiss the OT as "no longer applying". Which, if it no longer applies, why is it still a part of their Bible? it is in the bible still for mainly history of everything. Knowing the past is just as important and knowing the present and future. With knowing the past you can learn from others mistakes and not do the same things they did. Nothing is ever acheived by doing the same things looking for a different result, just doesn't work that way. So the past is put their so that we can learn from that and lead our personal lives in a better direction.

MiddleEarthling Joined Tue 08/18/09 Posts: 1911	Sat 01/30/10 12:54 PM
Interesting with most all of our past mistakes being driven by bad religion. More recently in history the devout ones supported the man that ruined our country...will they continue to support un-American candidates like Sarah Palin again? Would that not be a mistake?

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Sat 01/30/10 02:41 PM
I am always amazed at how some people attempt to discredit the interpretation of certain scripture(s) by claiming it is taken 'out of context'. Tell me please - anyone who believes - in exactly WHAT context is mercilessly killing women and children to be considered as 'good'? That is in the OT and most Christians conveniently dismiss the OT as "no longer applying". Which, if it no longer applies, why is it still a part of their Bible? it is in the bible still for mainly history of everything. Knowing the past is just as important and knowing the present and future. With knowing the past you can learn from others mistakes and not do the same things they did. Nothing is ever acheived by doing the same things looking for a different result, just doesn't work that way. So the past is put their so that we can learn from that and lead our personal lives in a better direction. Are you saying that those who mercilessly killed women and children because God commanded them to do such a thing(which is exactly what the Bible claims) made a mistake?

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Sat 01/30/10 03:00 PM
it is in the bible still for mainly history of everything. Knowing the past is just as important and knowing the present and future. With knowing the past you can learn from others mistakes and not do the same things they did. Nothing is ever acheived by doing the same things looking for a different result, just doesn't work that way. So the past is put their so that we can learn from that and lead our personal lives in a better direction. You should rethink this position because what you are saying is that what God ordered was a mistake. God was the one who issued the rules on slaves, women and children and how they should be treated. So, if those were wrong, God was wrong.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sat 01/30/10 03:01 PM
And what is really amusing is some people consider "understanding and excepting" the craziness of the bible makes them superior and better than all others. More deserving of good graces and all that. The separate texts used for the bible were stories or ramblings of someone who was capable of writing back then, which was rare. Each text was made separately not intending to be included in a book later. Then when the good ole king got ahold of the texts he altered them to fit his ideals and made a book out of them. Leaving some of those old texts out because they didn't fit his agenda or might have been written by a woman. The bible is the creation of a king. He saw the opportunity for control through fear and took it. It is not a positive influence in the context of it being "holy" because it teaches divisiveness, superiority and hypocrisy. Now if someone read it as just a book as it is, then maybe it could be a view into the minds of say King James and possibly some into the minds of men older than him. Outside of that it is not a positive influence on men and is really bad for women.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 01/30/10 06:18 PM
it is in the bible still for mainly history of everything. Knowing the past is just as important and knowing the present and future. With knowing the past you can learn from others mistakes and not do the same things they did. Nothing is ever acheived by doing the same things looking for a different result, just doesn't work that way. So the past is put their so that we can learn from that and lead our personal lives in a better direction. You should rethink this position because what you are saying is that what God ordered was a mistake. God was the one who issued the rules on slaves, women and children and how they should be treated. So, if those were wrong, God was wrong. I've never heard of read anything of such, would you mind giving me the verses to look up to find this information? And no God didn't make a mistake. Everything works in phases. Jesus didn't come to change, add, or alter anything. Jesus coming fullfilled the old testiment and thus we were given the new testiment.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 01/30/10 06:25 PM
And what is really amusing is some people consider "understanding and excepting" the craziness of the bible makes them superior and better than all others. More deserving of good graces and all that. The separate texts used for the bible were stories or ramblings of someone who was capable of writing back then, which was rare. Each text was made separately not intending to be included in a book later. Then when the good ole king got ahold of the texts he altered them to fit his ideals and made a book out of them. Leaving some of those old texts out because they didn't fit his agenda or might have been written by a woman. The bible is the creation of a king. He saw the opportunity for control through fear and took it. It is not a positive influence in the context of it being "holy" because it teaches divisiveness, superiority and hypocrisy. Now if someone read it as just a book as it is, then maybe it could be a view into the minds of say King James and possibly some into the minds of men older than him. Outside of that it is not a positive influence on men and is really bad for women. Knowing the bible makes absolutely no one superior, better, greater, or anything of such. We are all equal and the same, no superior. And what proof do you have of the king altering anything? Have you seen and know the original scriptures? What proof do you have of the alteration? And how does it teach divisiveness, superiority, and hyprocricy? And how is it not a positive influence on men and women? Tells us to almost worship each other. We are to give unconditional love to each other, be kind, generouse, and make sure other people have what they need. Yes it says the man is the head of the family, this DOES NOT meen he has the right to order everyone around. But quite the contrary, he has the responsibility to make sure the family has what it needs and bring every family member to God and live life how we are suppose to. And how is it really bad for women?

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Sat 01/30/10 06:38 PM
I've never heard of read anything of such, would you mind giving me the verses to look up to find this information? And no God didn't make a mistake. Everything works in phases. Jesus didn't come to change, add, or alter anything. Jesus coming fullfilled the old testiment and thus we were given the new testiment. No, I'm not going to go searching for them. However, if you are going to defend the Bible then you should read it from cover to cover. The OT and the NT. I have. Just a suggestion.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sat 01/30/10 06:45 PM
And what is really amusing is some people consider "understanding and excepting" the craziness of the bible makes them superior and better than all others. More deserving of good graces and all that. The separate texts used for the bible were stories or ramblings of someone who was capable of writing back then, which was rare. Each text was made separately not intending to be included in a book later. Then when the good ole king got ahold of the texts he altered them to fit his ideals and made a book out of them. Leaving some of those old texts out because they didn't fit his agenda or might have been written by a woman. The bible is the creation of a king. He saw the opportunity for control through fear and took it. It is not a positive influence in the context of it being "holy" because it teaches divisiveness, superiority and hypocrisy. Now if someone read it as just a book as it is, then maybe it could be a view into the minds of say King James and possibly some into the minds of men older than him. Outside of that it is not a positive influence on men and is really bad for women. Knowing the bible makes absolutely no one superior, better, greater, or anything of such. We are all equal and the same, no superior. And what proof do you have of the king altering anything? Have you seen and know the original scriptures? What proof do you have of the alteration? And how does it teach divisiveness, superiority, and hyprocricy? And how is it not a positive influence on men and women? Tells us to almost worship each other. We are to give unconditional love to each other, be kind, generouse, and make sure other people have what they need. Yes it says the man is the head of the family, this DOES NOT meen he has the right to order everyone around. But quite the contrary, he has the responsibility to make sure the family has what it needs and bring every family member to God and live life how we are suppose to. And how is it really bad for women? http://www.allabouttruth.org/king-james-bible.htm This a religious site that tells of king james actions. It encourages reading it, I do not though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible, tells some of where the original information came from and how many translations and alterations have been made. Any book that teaches man to kill each other and to discriminate against each other in his name is not good for man. It is divisive and teaches superiority and hypocrisy. Women are nothing better than possessions in the bible along with eve being the cause of man's disgrace. How do you get over that? You know a man who was a misogynist wrote that part. You can answer all these questions for yourself if you opened your mind to the reason for a religion like the one you believe in.

heavenlyboy34 Joined Fri 07/04/08 Posts: 17348	Sat 01/30/10 08:49 PM
it is in the bible still for mainly history of everything. Knowing the past is just as important and knowing the present and future. With knowing the past you can learn from others mistakes and not do the same things they did. Nothing is ever acheived by doing the same things looking for a different result, just doesn't work that way. So the past is put their so that we can learn from that and lead our personal lives in a better direction. You should rethink this position because what you are saying is that what God ordered was a mistake. God was the one who issued the rules on slaves, women and children and how they should be treated. So, if those were wrong, God was wrong. Instances like this are examples of the perversion of the oral tradition when the Judah-ites (tribe of Judah) created the written tradition. You would definitely benefit from reading the book I mentioned before-the Controversy of Zion. There's a lot of detail and history explained therein.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 01/30/10 08:50 PM
And what is really amusing is some people consider "understanding and excepting" the craziness of the bible makes them superior and better than all others. More deserving of good graces and all that. The separate texts used for the bible were stories or ramblings of someone who was capable of writing back then, which was rare. Each text was made separately not intending to be included in a book later. Then when the good ole king got ahold of the texts he altered them to fit his ideals and made a book out of them. Leaving some of those old texts out because they didn't fit his agenda or might have been written by a woman. The bible is the creation of a king. He saw the opportunity for control through fear and took it. It is not a positive influence in the context of it being "holy" because it teaches divisiveness, superiority and hypocrisy. Now if someone read it as just a book as it is, then maybe it could be a view into the minds of say King James and possibly some into the minds of men older than him. Outside of that it is not a positive influence on men and is really bad for women. Knowing the bible makes absolutely no one superior, better, greater, or anything of such. We are all equal and the same, no superior. And what proof do you have of the king altering anything? Have you seen and know the original scriptures? What proof do you have of the alteration? And how does it teach divisiveness, superiority, and hyprocricy? And how is it not a positive influence on men and women? Tells us to almost worship each other. We are to give unconditional love to each other, be kind, generouse, and make sure other people have what they need. Yes it says the man is the head of the family, this DOES NOT meen he has the right to order everyone around. But quite the contrary, he has the responsibility to make sure the family has what it needs and bring every family member to God and live life how we are suppose to. And how is it really bad for women? http://www.allabouttruth.org/king-james-bible.htm This a religious site that tells of king james actions. It encourages reading it, I do not though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible, tells some of where the original information came from and how many translations and alterations have been made. Any book that teaches man to kill each other and to discriminate against each other in his name is not good for man. It is divisive and teaches superiority and hypocrisy. Women are nothing better than possessions in the bible along with eve being the cause of man's disgrace. How do you get over that? You know a man who was a misogynist wrote that part. You can answer all these questions for yourself if you opened your mind to the reason for a religion like the one you believe in. The bible does not teach us to kill or discriminate. Tells us not to murder, as a matter of fact Commandment 6 thou shall not murder, tells us strickly that killing is against gods will. And we are not to discriminate, we are all sinners. And woman are not possessions in the bible. Strickly tells the man to love and charish his wife.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Sat 01/30/10 09:02 PM
"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you may nations...then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy." Deuteronomy 7:1-2, NIV. 1 "...do not leave alive anything that breaths. Completely destroy them...as the Lord your God has commanded you..." Deuteronomy 20:16, NIV. 1 Is this enough, or do you need more of the hundreds of examples? Is this a mistake that we should learn from, CowboyGH?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 01/30/10 09:16 PM
"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you may nations...then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy." Deuteronomy 7:1-2, NIV. 1 "...do not leave alive anything that breaths. Completely destroy them...as the Lord your God has commanded you..." Deuteronomy 20:16, NIV. 1 Is this enough, or do you need more of the hundreds of examples? Is this a mistake that we should learn from, CowboyGH? No that particular verse(s) isn't a lesson, just history. You are taking it out of context as well. For the people before Jesus came to earth the first time, that followed the old testiment it was eye for eye, tooth for tooth. If someone smacked you upside the head, you were allowed to smack them back. But no more, we are to now turn the other cheek. These people that are being destroyed were worshipping idols and what they believed to be Gods. This is punishment for wrong doings. People that lived during the old testiment were punished on earth for their wrong doings, but that was in the old testiment and that has been fullfilled. In our law the new testiment we will be punished for our wrong doings after we die, or praised and rewarded for our good doings depending on what that particular person's verdict comes out after judgement.

Misssnugglebug Joined Tue 07/07/09 Posts: 7	Sat 01/30/10 09:20 PM
Where do you guys get this stuff and why does everyone have to have an attitude of proving a Bible believer wrong? There is so much descention and general distain for a person who chooses to believe what they believe. One day we will ALL know for sure who was right- At least I see the people who defend the Bible apologize if they are wrong. Its like a pitbull fight with some of you folks just going for the kill. Its heart breaking to see man treating fellow man with such distain and disreguard just to prove a point.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 01/30/10 09:36 PM
Where do you guys get this stuff and why does everyone have to have an attitude of proving a Bible believer wrong? There is so much descention and general distain for a person who chooses to believe what they believe. One day we will ALL know for sure who was right- At least I see the people who defend the Bible apologize if they are wrong. Its like a pitbull fight with some of you folks just going for the kill. Its heart breaking to see man treating fellow man with such distain and disreguard just to prove a point. very true, i completely agree with you there. Yes christians do try to make others believe in the bible, but we don't usually do it in such of an aggressive way as the none believers do usually, atleast most of the christians don't. We open our arms and welcome you if you wish to come, if not we don't disown the ones that don't believe and or talk down on them for their belief.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Sat 01/30/10 10:36 PM
God is unchanging... yet changes. We are to kill unbelievers according to the OT which by the way is where the sixth commandment is found, and yet in the NT this no longer holds true... How can one know this and then hold the belief that God is unchanging?

Eljay Joined Tue 05/08/07 Posts: 2426	Sun 01/31/10 12:50 AM
It's amusing but shocking as well that some take the bible so literally. It's a book of contradictions that keeps it's readers confused and easily mis-led. It's no wonder that almost all conflicts and discriminations are created from it's writings. "Is it any wonder the monkey's confused"...Roger Waters Here's the link, pick your favorites: http://sites.google.com/site/leavingxtianity/babble "For I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger forever." (Jeremiah 3:12) "Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever." (Jeremiah 17:4) "If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid." (John 5:31) "Jesus answered: Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid." (John 8:14) "And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth." (Matthew 28:18) "the whole world is under control of the evil one." (1 John 5:19) And Jesus said, "For judgement I am come into this world." (John 9:39) "I came not to judge the world" (John 12:47) "Jacob said, 'I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.'" (Genesis 32:30) "No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18) We should fear God (Matthew 10:28) We should love God (Matthew 22:37) There is no fear in love (1 John 4:18) ~~~ "But anyone who says 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." (Jesus) Mat 5:22 "You fools!" (Jesus) Luke 11:40 "You blind fools!" (Jesus) Mat 23:17 "How foolish you are" (Jesus) Luke 24:25 "But God said to him, 'You fool!' " (Jesus) Luke 12:20 "You foolish Galatians!" (St. Paul) Galatians 3:1 "You foolish man" James 2:20 Okay - now pay attention everybody. Here is a perfect example of Middle Earth practicing the very thing he preaches against. His major concerns about religion upset him so much - because he is the biggest practicioner of their cultish methods. Notice how he sets up a premise and goes out and finds the passages that support his argument - as though assuming his interpretation is trustworthy. The only problem I see with religion Middle Earth - is your continual practice of the aspects that make it dangerous. Maybe you should take the time someday and read the book for yourself - and this way you can formulate your own opinion - instead of blindly following the opinion of those Atheistic disciples that you so worship. my, but what a condecending little prick of post that is. You think? Sometimes one must communicate in the only language the listener will understand. Or in this case - the language of the OP.

Eljay Joined Tue 05/08/07 Posts: 2426	Sun 01/31/10 12:57 AM
I am always amazed at how some people attempt to discredit the interpretation of certain scripture(s) by claiming it is taken 'out of context'. Tell me please - anyone who believes - in exactly WHAT context is mercilessly killing women and children to be considered as 'good'? That is in the OT and most Christians conveniently dismiss the OT as "no longer applying". Which, if it no longer applies, why is it still a part of their Bible? it is in the bible still for mainly history of everything. Knowing the past is just as important and knowing the present and future. With knowing the past you can learn from others mistakes and not do the same things they did. Nothing is ever acheived by doing the same things looking for a different result, just doesn't work that way. So the past is put their so that we can learn from that and lead our personal lives in a better direction. Are you saying that those who mercilessly killed women and children because God commanded them to do such a thing(which is exactly what the Bible claims) made a mistake? What exactly do you mean by "mercilessly killing" - and what are you using to support your perception?