Topic: No Death Penalty for Homosexuals, just Life.
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Sun 01/03/10 02:48 PM






Think about it. In the 70s how many gays were being honest about their sexuality anyway?

Probably on 10%.



That has nothing to do with it.

I said
In the 70s only 10% of gays asked said they felt they had always been gay.
Today more than 90% respond that way!


Gays asked. Not how many people admitted they were gay.

Example,
1970- 200 people who admitted they are gay were asked, Do you think you were born gay?
20 said yes.

2000- 200 people who admitted they were gay were asked, Do you think you were born gay?
180 said yes.

Why the disparity?


Fanta, there could be a whole lot of reasons even from the one I gave about the honesty of those admitting to being gay in the first place and being honest about any aspect of it.

They felt they would be prosecuted for their sexuality and were in most cases so why would they admit to anything concerning it?

The more accepted it is the more we will find out from them truly.

The less accepted it is the more misinformation we will get from them.

And as with all polls the variable are outrageous so you can't even know about the validity of the poll.

If you want to believe it, because of your own issues, of course you will believe it whether it is right or wrong.


Poppycock!

Why would anyone during the 70s say they were gay if they weren't?
Ridiculous. They wouldn't have.

Why would someone brave enough to admit being gay during the 70s be afraid to say they felt they were always gay?
They wouldn't. If anything they would be more prone to say they had been.

The reason for the disparity today is public opinion influenced by a bogus report that has since been scientifically proven false.
Proven false multiple times by multiple unbiased groups of scientists.

There is zero proof that homosexuality is a genetic trait!


Well Fanta, I guess I'm not surprised to find you spreading the gospel again on this thread. Like last time, I could point out that people like the defrocked Dr. Paul Cameron comprise much of your 'unbiased' scientific 'community'.

I could also point out things like Klinefelter's Syndrome, a chromosonal anomaly that studies seem to confirm predisposes many who were born with it towards homosexuality.

But the most damning evidence that most scientists and clinicians don't feel as you do is that the APA removed if from the DSM almost 4 decades ago.

Probably the biggest reason that most people have jettisoned their backwards opinions about homosexuals is that people have gotten to know gays and lesbians and think they are 'just folks.'


-Kerry O.


The GLBT did sponsor a study whether or not gaydom was a genetic trait. Of course they got what they paid for. However, despite numerous attempts in Universities and scientific labs around the world, no one has been able to duplicate the same results/

The APA removed it from the DSM because it isn't a psychological disorder either.
It's just a life choice. If someone chooses to be a pot head their whole life, are they in need of psychological help?
No. It's the same thing. A life choice.
A p1ss poor life choice but it doesn't mean they're nuts!

One day they might fight a genetic flaw which does clarify Homosexuality is genetic like with Diabetes!
If so, maybe they can find a cure for both.

I can not imagine myself doing what gay men do to one another . This in itself tells me that there is something in them that the straight folks do not have . what is this something is anyone's guess at this point since science did not prove a thing yet .

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Sun 01/03/10 02:51 PM

I can not imagine myself doing what gay men do to one another . This in itself tells me that there is something in them that the straight folks do not have . what is this something is anyone's guess at this point since science did not prove a thing yet .


What gay men do to each other? Such as anal sex? You do know straight people do that as well, right?

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Sun 01/03/10 02:54 PM

Why on earth would there be a need to "cure" homosexuality?laugh


Because. Looking at Kerry's post, it's an " anomaly ".

An anomaly, whether it's in the genetics/chromosomes or whatever, is basically a " disease ".

< Disclaimer >

My posts do not, in any way, indicate my stance on homosexuality.

< end Disclaimer >

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Sun 01/03/10 03:02 PM
uhm, HELLO!!!...

you expect more from a country that was ruled by Idi AMIN upon independence form Britain in the '60's...??

Sheesh...

'cmon folks, civilized countries have a hard time dealing with gay issues... do you really think this is a primary issue in Uganda??

oh, please.... keep in in context folks... get off of looking at everything from the 'pedestal' of your comfy couch in the USA... it's a harsh world out there -- you MUST take things into local context...

$.02 drinker

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Sun 01/03/10 03:09 PM
Does it make it ok to you, because it's not a country like the US?

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Sun 01/03/10 03:13 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Sun 01/03/10 03:18 PM

Why on earth would there be a need to "cure" homosexuality?laugh


Da!

Because it's not normal!

It's unnatural!


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Sun 01/03/10 03:16 PM

My point is that...in your quote, it's called " a chromosonal anomaly ".

From the Webster's Online Dictionary...3rd definition.

anomaly [əˈnɒməlɪ]

3 : something anomalous : something different, abnormal, peculiar, or not easily classified


The very definition of anomaly is, in part, " abnormal ".

That term, and it's use in medicine to describe something in the chromosomes that isn't " normal " is, in essence, what gays and lesbians have been fighting against for a long, long time.

When even medicine is looking at homosexuality as an " anomaly " < in some cases anyway >, how can the gay community ever expect their behaviors to be considered NOT out of the ordinary??





And what were the other definitions of 'anomalous' that you didn't choose to word lawyer with?

What you just did was very intellectually dishonest. I think you and everyone else reading this knows I wasn't saying that homosexuality is a disease but rather a variation from the majority that probably can be explained by those looking for an answer rather than furthering their prejudice.

-Kerry O.


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Sun 01/03/10 03:18 PM
Edited by KerryO on Sun 01/03/10 03:20 PM


Why on earth would there be a need to "cure" homosexuality?laugh


Da!

Because it's not normal!




And Antonin Scalia agrees with you. Luckily, he didn't get the last word.

-Kerry O.

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Sun 01/03/10 03:25 PM
It's unnatural.
An anomaly.

a·nom·a·ly (ə-nŏmə-lē)
n. pl. a·nom·a·lies


1. Deviation or departure from the normal or common order, form, or rule.
2. One that is peculiar, irregular, abnormal, or difficult to classify: "Both men are anomalies: they have . . . likable personalities but each has made his reputation as a heavy" (David Pauly).
3. Astronomy The angular deviation, as observed from the sun, of a planet from its perihelion.

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Sun 01/03/10 03:31 PM


My point is that...in your quote, it's called " a chromosonal anomaly ".

From the Webster's Online Dictionary...3rd definition.

anomaly [əˈnɒməlɪ]

3 : something anomalous : something different, abnormal, peculiar, or not easily classified


The very definition of anomaly is, in part, " abnormal ".

That term, and it's use in medicine to describe something in the chromosomes that isn't " normal " is, in essence, what gays and lesbians have been fighting against for a long, long time.

When even medicine is looking at homosexuality as an " anomaly " < in some cases anyway >, how can the gay community ever expect their behaviors to be considered NOT out of the ordinary??





And what were the other definitions of 'anomalous' that you didn't choose to word lawyer with?

What you just did was very intellectually dishonest. I think you and everyone else reading this knows I wasn't saying that homosexuality is a disease but rather a variation from the majority that probably can be explained by those looking for an answer rather than furthering their prejudice.

-Kerry O.




If you think I was inferring that you, yourself, thought of homosexuality as a disease, I do apologize.

That was not my intention. I was only using a statement you made about that particular syndrome.

The reason I used that particular part of the definition was because the other definitions on the site were in reference to astrological occurrences which have absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.

The point of using that definition was that the chromosome/genetics issue being spoken of is considered an abnormality.

Having something in their genetics < even if it's NOT all of them that have the syndrome > seen as an " abnormality " would defeat the entire purpose of the gay and lesbian efforts to be seen as normal people.

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Sun 01/03/10 03:31 PM


I can not imagine myself doing what gay men do to one another . This in itself tells me that there is something in them that the straight folks do not have . what is this something is anyone's guess at this point since science did not prove a thing yet .


What gay men do to each other? Such as anal sex? You do know straight people do that as well, right?

Swallowing the semen of one another....is is manly ?.!!!.

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Sun 01/03/10 03:31 PM
Edited by nicejohnny on Sun 01/03/10 03:32 PM

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Sun 01/03/10 03:33 PM



I can not imagine myself doing what gay men do to one another . This in itself tells me that there is something in them that the straight folks do not have . what is this something is anyone's guess at this point since science did not prove a thing yet .


What gay men do to each other? Such as anal sex? You do know straight people do that as well, right?

Swallowing the semen of one another....is is manly ?.!!!.


Who are you to determine what is and isn't " manly "??

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Sun 01/03/10 03:35 PM



I can not imagine myself doing what gay men do to one another . This in itself tells me that there is something in them that the straight folks do not have . what is this something is anyone's guess at this point since science did not prove a thing yet .


What gay men do to each other? Such as anal sex? You do know straight people do that as well, right?

Swallowing the semen of one another....is is manly ?.!!!.


noway noway ill

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Sun 01/03/10 03:37 PM



I can not imagine myself doing what gay men do to one another . This in itself tells me that there is something in them that the straight folks do not have . what is this something is anyone's guess at this point since science did not prove a thing yet .


What gay men do to each other? Such as anal sex? You do know straight people do that as well, right?

Swallowing the semen of one another....is is manly ?.!!!.


And yet, you would have absolutely NO issues with a woman doing that...

Now THAT is funny.

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Sun 01/03/10 03:47 PM
The list of diseases found with extraordinary frequency among male homosexual practitioners as a result of anal intercourse is alarming:

Anal Cancer
Chlamydia trachomatis
Cryptosporidium
Giardia lamblia
Herpes simplex virus
Human immunodeficiency virus
Human papilloma virus
Isospora belli
Microsporidia
Gonorrhea
Viral hepatitis types B & C
Syphilis25

Sexual transmission of some of these diseases is so rare in the exclusively heterosexual population as to be virtually unknown. Others, while found among heterosexual and homosexual practitioners, are clearly predominated by those involved in homosexual activity. Syphilis, for example is found among heterosexual and homosexual practitioners. But in 1999, King County, Washington (Seattle), reported that 85 percent of syphilis cases were among self-identified homosexual practitioners. And as noted above, syphilis among homosexual men is now at epidemic levels in San Francisco.

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Sun 01/03/10 03:48 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Sun 01/03/10 03:55 PM
Anal intercourse also puts men at significant risk for anal cancer. Anal cancer is the result of infection with some subtypes of human papilloma virus (HPV), which are known viral carcinogens. Data as of 1989 showed the rates of anal cancer in male homosexual practitioners to be 10 times that of heterosexual males, and growing. Thus, the prevalence of anal cancer among gay men is of great concern. For those with AIDS, the rates are doubled.

Other physical problems associated with anal intercourse are:

hemorrhoids
anal fissures
anorectal trauma
retained foreign bodies.

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Sun 01/03/10 03:51 PM
Oral-anal

There is an extremely high rate of parasitic and other intestinal infections documented among male homosexual practitioners because of oral-anal contact. In fact, there are so many infections that a syndrome called "the Gay Bowel" is described in the medical literature.33 "Gay bowel syndrome constitutes a group of conditions that occur among persons who practice unprotected anal intercourse, anilingus, or fellatio following anal intercourse." Although some women have been diagnosed with some of the gastrointestinal infections associated with "gay bowel," the vast preponderance of patients with these conditions are men who have sex with men.

"Rimming" is the street name given to oralanal contact. It is because of this practice that intestinal parasites ordinarily found in the tropics are encountered in the bodies of American gay men. Combined with anal intercourse and other homosexual practices, "rimming" provides a rich opportunity for a variety of infections.

Men who have sex with men account for the lion's share of the increasing number of cases in America of sexually transmitted infections that are not generally spread through sexual contact. These diseases, with consequences that range from severe and even life-threatening to mere annoyances, include Hepatitis A, Giardia lamblia, Entamoeba histolytica, Epstein-Barr virus, Neisseria meningitides, Shigellosis, Salmonellosis, Pediculosis, scabies and Campylobacter.

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Sun 01/03/10 03:53 PM
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) identified a 1991 outbreak of Hepatitis A in New York City, in which 78 percent of male respondents identified themselves as homosexual or bisexual.While Hepatitis A can be transmitted by routes other than sexual, a preponderance of Hepatitis A is found in gay men in multiple states. Salmonella is rarely associated with sexual activity except among gay men who have oral-anal and oral-genital contact following anal intercourse. The most unsettling new discovery is the reported sexual transmission of typhoid. This water-borne disease, well known in the tropics, only infects 400 people each year in the United States, usually as a result of ingestion of contaminated food or water while abroad. But sexual transmission was diagnosed in Ohio in a series of male sex partners of one male who had traveled to Puerto Rico.

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Sun 01/03/10 03:54 PM
Shall I continue!

Homosexuality is Unnatural and unhealthy.