I fail to see whether heterosexual women not being attracted would be any kind of proof as to whether someone is 'born gay'.

I also highly doubt whether many HOMOSEXUALS would find certain physical anomolies attractive either. As to the Klinefelter Syndrome, you asked for a citation:

Males suffering from Klinefelter's syndrome "have both the male (XY)
and the female (XX) chromosome pattern...[and]... are usually referred to as pseudohermaphrodites" (ibid:33). They have physical abnormalities (sexual and non-sexual characteristics); the latter MAY BE RELATED to gender identity, as some of the physical abnormalities are the development of female secondary sexual characteristics, and lack of adult development of male secondary sex characteristics. Although, Klinefelter's males show lower levels of testosterone than the general male population, they have an abnormally high incidence of incarceration, either in penal or psychiatric institutions (ibid:35).


This citation asserts there MAY BE A RELATION, it also points out a relation between the criminal(incarcerated) and this syndrome. This is not proof that the syndrome CAUSES homsexuality or criminality, however.

But there is an association,, like it or not. People keep asserting that disapproval of homosexual lifestyles is synonymous with religion. That was the main reason to even add beastiality, which I think people would oppose with or without religion. Likewise, people oppose homosexual activity,, with or without religion.

There are cultures which marry off their young children, it is accepted, but we FIND sex between child and adult,, wrong,,Why is that? Are we holier than thou when we judge those cultures?

There are also those who marry within their family,(adults) and though they are 'in love' and it is their choice,, MOST people would stigmatize their behavior,,are those people hateful and holier than thou?

Similar to incest between consenting adults or pedophilia within a culture that is consenting, the argument that people doing whatever makes them feel good should not be questioned or addressed (possibly as needing to change) is dishonest and pointless. Changes happen, people will agree and disagree with others choices, it should not be such a huge offense to discuss these differences in opinion.

I wasnt denying anything except the assertion that there has been PROOF that people are 'born gay'.

I dont know, nor does anyone else, whether we are born gay or not, but I dont believe we are born without the ability to change and evolve in our tastes or interests or in our ability to choose what we do (and who) in our lives. My main objection to the whole born gay thing is the implication that people cant change and any reference to change is somehow an insult , when in fact , growing up is a change and a positive one. But our culture is teaching that any suggestion of change is an attempt at insulting and should be avoided.

"But there is an association"....that alone makes you no better than the religious nutbags in the US who helped bring about the Ugandan legislation. You should be ashamed of yourself for support murdering people because of their being gay.

Of course I doubt you'll get that association.

A woman has a vagina and a man does not . So what a woman likes sexually is different from what a man likes .I have not seen a man with a vagina have you ?!!!.

You stated swallowing semen was something you didn't like that they did. I stated that women do it as well.

If you don't want to swallow another man's semen, don't. No one is forcing you to do anything.

Oddly enough, he has no issued with swallowing...as long as the person doing it has a vagina.

Am I the only one who sees the oddity??? lol

Well, he did say he couldn't imagine himself doing what gay men do to each other. I asked if it were anal sex and he said swallowing. But yes, I'm guessing he might be ok with both, as long as the other person is a woman?

Who?? Me??

I didn't bring up religion in any way, shape or form.

You're the majority?

Did you miss what I said about straight people having anal sex, too? A man who has anal sex with a woman.. does that make him not manly?

Nobody said you were. It IS however, considered good form to at least be acquainted with what you offer as 'evidence', as opposed to just throwing a zillion things against the wall to see what sticks. How can you begin to discuss what you post if you didn't even read it yourself? I think that's a fair question.


-Kerry O.

So, you don't like the thought of someone swallowing semen. Women do it as well.

If she wants to swallow it that's her business, but she shouldn't expect me to kiss her afterwords.

I sure as heck don't want to get crap on my foot, let alone jefferey.

Hope you don't expect her to swallow anything you wouldn't touch!

Then you have a most excellent opportunity to put your POV into practice-- let's see if you can 'change' some of the heterosexual men posting to this thread. I have a feeling they'll be the first to tell you they were 'born straight' and they'll be a little testy about any suggestions to the contrary.


-Kerry O.

Then you have a most excellent opportunity to put your POV into practice-- let's see if you can 'change' some of the heterosexual men posting to this thread. I have a feeling they'll be the first to tell you they were 'born straight' and they'll be a little testy about any suggestions to the contrary.


-Kerry O.

But there is an association,, like it or not. People keep asserting that disapproval of homosexual lifestyles is synonymous with religion. That was the main reason to even add beastiality, which I think people would oppose with or without religion. Likewise, people oppose homosexual activity,, with or without religion.

There are cultures which marry off their young children, it is accepted, but we FIND sex between child and adult,, wrong,,Why is that? Are we holier than thou when we judge those cultures?

There are also those who marry within their family,(adults) and though they are 'in love' and it is their choice,, MOST people would stigmatize their behavior,,are those people hateful and holier than thou?

Similar to incest between consenting adults or pedophilia within a culture that is consenting, the argument that people doing whatever makes them feel good should not be questioned or addressed (possibly as needing to change) is dishonest and pointless. Changes happen, people will agree and disagree with others choices, it should not be such a huge offense to discuss these differences in opinion.