Are you saying that homosexuality is an inappropriate sexual choice?

So you are saying that hetero sex between a married couple is unhealthy?

Okay then we can agree that you have a different opinion than mine.

But if hetero sex in marriage is okay and gay sex (with marriage if possible) are not then we have a problem.

It is wrong to hold the two at different standards of "rightness".

Be back later maybe....

hetero sex, even in marriage, CAN be unhealthy,, yes,, exactly.

Yes, I am saying I believe homosexual sex to be an inappropriate sexual choice, ranking with adultery and sex with family members and sex outside of a marriage.

How does it compare to the others you've mentioned?

the presence of boundaries makes it comparable. I believe it crossing a (biological)boundary for a brother to lie with his sister, crossing a (moral)boundary for someone to sleep with someone elses mate, and crossing a (biological) boundary for a man or woman to lie with someone of the same gender.

the presence of boundaries makes it comparable. I believe it crossing a (biological)boundary for a brother to lie with his sister, crossing a (moral)boundary for someone to sleep with someone elses mate, and crossing a (biological) boundary for a man or woman to lie with someone of the same gender.

Wow, not sure what to say to that.

Inappropriate for you, considering your biblical belief system, but hardly inappropriate for me. Being gay is not incest. It really bothers me when you equate homosexuals with such things.

The thought of having sex with a sibling or parent repulses me. And it's not my fault I can not take advantage of marriage, it's attitudes such as these though that keep gay marriage from happening. But I am beginning to think one has to be strictly gay to know just how insulting that is. I will say that I met another bi woman on another site a while back that feels much like you do.

But you can't really speak for someone that doesn't have a built in alternative for societies attitudes. You can just go with men and never have to deal with it.

For me to have the same privileges you do, I must give up someone I have loved for most of my adult life. No God I can't see hear or feel is ever going to dictate the only short life I am aware of. With any luck at all I have at least another 10 to 20 years to live, I won't live it miserably for anyone. It's already been difficult enough not having access to the same things you take for granted. And I'm not even into sex.. lol

The sex outside of marriage thing is a bit strange to me, in my opinion of course. I certainly wouldn't' marry someone I was not sexually compatible with, if I cared enough about sex. I do think humans are obsessed with sex, but again who am I.

If young people understood the dangers health wise of ''both'' straight and gay sex they could engage with knowledge rather than blindly having sex. I think people jump to a sexual experience with a person way to fast, before really knowing the person they intend to sleep with. But who the hell am I to decide if an individual is ready or not.

I've been in this sort of discussion so much now that I am actually finding it difficult post about the topic anymore, after a while it gets just plain frustrating.

A post about Uganda killing homosexuals with HIV turns into another debate about why homosexuality is right or wrong..

There are far more pressing concerns right here.. Unless you can do something about Ugandan law, what is the point?

This is a general reminder to discuss the message, not the messenger(s).

This is a sensitive subject and everyone has their own beliefs on both sides of the debate.

Kim

I agree , it is frustrating. I believe it is no more or less 'repulsive' for a brother and sister to lie together. If the idea is indeed that they are consenting adults and love each other,, what would be the difference, besides a belief that it just is inappropriate?... much like how I feel about men with men and women with women.

Well msharmony,

There is no relation between the bio crossing of siblings, moral crossing of cheating on someone else's mate, and bio crossing in the case of same gender sex.

First of all, same gender sex doesn't cross any line whatsoever!!! Much less does it cross the bio one!

NO transgression of biology: that is just some fast talk prestidigitation from the 'OUT OF INTEGRITY' FANATICAL FUNDIES pushing their dark age dogma, regardless of the intellectual incongruity!!!

NO transgression of any moral lines: it is those whom persecute their fellow human beings based on natural differences, who transgretransgress morality.

Second, if you wish to adhere to a personal belief, in accordance to a particular religious dogma, that is your personal choice, and it applies to your 'private' life.

Once you step into the public domain, you cannot impose your religious dogma onto anyone else.
You must strictly KEEP IT TO YOURSELF!!!
Anything else is manipulative and corrupt. Wouldn't stand the most BASIC INTEGRITY test.

The only thing being crossed here, in the comment that I read above, is an INTELLECTUAL INTEGRITY BOUNDARY!!!

msharmony, you should know better than to mix all those distinct categories together!
The motive for such crime against integrity, is plain and simple CONVENIENCE!
The Heterogeneous categories appear to conveniently serve your belief system. And that is fine,
... as long as you keep it personal and private.

... but when you don't, and the boundary is crossed, the discourse no longer holds intellectual integrity

The moment these beliefs cross into the public domain, as would be the case for all militant and fanatically religious positions carried by fundamentals, and confuse faith and facts, all you have left is delusion and heresy.

Might not ever be able to eradicate our societies of obsessive compulsive 'fundies', ... but the sane religious people must see the urgent importance of denouncing the divisive, exclusionary, and judgemental delusions of the fundies!!! At least render their 'radicalism' inoffensive.

I do not have an issue with sex outside of marriage. That being said, I do not see homosexual sex being wrong like adultery or incest.

Gee, I haven't heard something that insensitive in a least a full 8 hours. I could have gone another 8 hours with out hearing how trivial the death of a human being at the hands of another human being is. I personally believe if the only thing one can do is to stand up against such things, then that is the point and is a pressing concern. As I post around the internet I am still amazed at how inhumane and shortsighted people can be in their views.

MsHarmony, I can't say that I understand you at all, your last remark was as offensive as others, and I think at this point I am so drained by this topic I just have no more fight in me. And again your position is quit convenient because you are not required to really give up anything significant for your religious views. You can fall on the safe side because you are also straight. No quite fair is it.. but that's life at this point in time.

I'll not let those views keep me from spending the last possibly 2 decades of so of my life without the very person I love and cherish, simply because she is a woman and not a man. Sad that we let an ancient people's prejudices dictate the only life we have.

See there now, how come you couldn't admit your bigotry and prejudice all along. Now we all know what we are dealing with.

No offense intended but you cannot call it anything else.

I don't care where you think you got the information, it is wrong.

Hetero sex and Homo sex are exactly the same thing with all the same problems and joys. They are exactly the same morally and naturally.

And this is why humans die to this day for their sexual orientation. Because people feel this way.

I respect your point of view even if I dont agree with it. I am sorry that people are seeing disagreement with disrespect or militancy or bigotry.

People die because others belief they have a right to take life,, another inappropriate choice. I have yet to have a solid reason why people are apalled by the idea of incest,,,other than religious ones,,, If there can be non religious reasons for this opposition, why not for opposition to any other lifestyle choice? If anyone TRULY thinks about the question, they can see that it is valid. WE have cultural norms,,not strictly and solely because of religion, but they are there. The same norms that make most westerners frown at incest are the norms that make some frown at homosexuality.