what would have open their eyes is if Jesus jump down from the cross and walked away

thanks...and may I suggest that you take time to read what's actually in the bible and not make up your own version

god is a made up entity humans minds came up with to deal with their fear of death..since they do not understand it, it gives them comfort to pretend even die for a belief just so they have some sense of control over mortality

Here is what the Holy Bible teaches about death. Are you even aware that there are 3 kinds of death, Funches?

The First Death is a Spiritual Death.
Spiritual death occurs when one sins against God in an accountable way. God alone knows when, and if, this occurs with each person. Some, who are mentally incapable, may never reach a point of accountability. God alone decides this. The first man was told,"From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it shall you surely die." (Gen.2:16,17). Adam did eat of it, and Adam did die.
"Aha" I hear you say. "You want to take the Bible literally--but Adam did not die that day!" Oh, but he did. The day he sinned, in fact the moment he sinned, he died.
Adam was instantly separated from God, and that placed him in Spiritual Death. When addressing Christians about their pre-conversion state, Paul said, "you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formally walked according to the course of this world...we too all lived in the lusts of the flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh, and of the mind, and were by nature, children of wrath, even as the rest." (Eph.2:1-3). We were "dead" -yet "walked" and "lived!" Sin makes one spiritually dead to God--even though still alive mentally, emotionally, volitionally, and physically.

Death Number TWO is the Physical Death.
This is the first of the physical deaths, but the second experience of death. When Adam sinned, the environment gained dominion over Adam's body. When examining the curses of Genesis 3:14-19, some say God cursed the serpent and the ground--but not the man and woman. While it is possible God did not change Adam's body (He just strengthened the environment), I do not believe this is the case. For example, I do not think Adam and Eve originally relieved themselves behind bushes in The Garden of Eden. Their bodies changed. (Just as Eve would not have had labor pains
etc.) But whatever the case, the reality of physical death, when that did not exist before, is a curse on the man. The Bible teaches that we are Adam's descendants and, unfortunately, we inherit his mortal flesh. Our bodies will succumb to this environment--no matter how well we take care of them. And thus, we have the NATURAL death that you are very much pointing out here Funches. Jesus, Son of God, Saviour, the Messiah, did in his fleshly form, "die a physical death" on the cross--of causes related to the "natural" world that we can currently see.

The third and final death is the Eternal Death.
The Bible calls this death - "the second death" (Rev 2:11, 20:6,14, & 21:8) It is the second death physically, but for those so subjected, this will be their third experience of death. Also, in this "death" nothing dies in the sence of "ceasing to exist" (Mt 25:41 & Rev 20:10). The Bible teaches this is a physical place, occupied by physical beings who will be eternally alive--yet the place is void of any benevolence from God. Alive--yet no life. There are two phases to this place. Hades is a "holding tank" for disembodied souls who have physically died apart from Christ. It is a place of torment with no escape.
Occupants are mentally, volitionally, and emotionally alive, but remain spiritually dead. Their body will be resurrected on Judgement Day, and transferred to Hell--the final
destination for everyone outside of Christ (Jn 5:28,29). Jesus refers to Hell as a place of "eternal punishment"(Mt25:46). The most accurate of descriptions and the most vivid of imaginations fall desperately short of describing the reality of this place. Just as I cannot grasp or convey how magnificent Heaven will be, so also I cannot grasp or convey the true dreadfulness of that place. No one can. And thus, we come to Cowboy's point as far as Jesus did not in all actuality "die." Jesus was, is, and will forever live on for eternity in Heaven. Only his body of flesh and bone during the short duration of time that He was on earth died in the second death physically. His untarnished soul however is very much ALIVE, and always will be. And all those who follow Christ in the
natural world here will contine to have everlasting life in Heaven, another realm of existance for disembodied souls who are judged favorably because of their action while "alive" in the natural world on earth.

lmao...a bible writtin by man...lol...again, mans way of deluding himself....lmao

The Constitution was written by men and most americans choose to take it quite seriously.

constitution doesnt try to tell you you go to hell if you dont believe

If you dont believe, why does it matter where it says you will go?

Great point.

very good propheticservant, thank you for putting the versus and explaining more of what i was trying to say with more detail.

the constitution has no bareing on your salvation either. It was indeed wrote by a human, but the bible was not. God and Jesus work through people. Eg., gives preachers the words they need to say in there preaching. The bible was put together from a bunch of scriptures wrote when Jesus was around. It is a diary if you may say so, for instance the book of James was about James and his story, and so on with the rest of them.

the part that is sickening to me is the fact that 99% of all the wars in history have been over religious beliefs...
some of the most disgusting in the name of christianity...
over a book that was written because of humans fear of mortality..
walk down the street its pushed on you.
clinics bombed, etc..over and over again..
im a firm believer that everyone has a righr to believe what they want until thet try to force it on me...ive studied the bible, ive studied many other religions also..i didnt just grab a book blindly....and after all that i came to my own conclusion...just sick of seeing the violence done on behalf of a pipe dream

and the constitution isnt a religious belief its a document writtin to avoid further rulers. and to ensure fairness thats all

I completely agree with you there. No one is trying to force any belief on anyone here though. He came to a christian forum, and i'm just giving facts out of the bible. If he doesn't agree or even want to agree then why is he reading this forum in the first place? There is something that brings him here and i'm trying to start the fire out of the little spark that brought him here in the first place.

didnt realize this was a christian forum..it just says religion...is not religion a personal belief?
is not science a type of religion?

yes it is a general religion i understand that, but with every religion there is a God. He is even denying that.

Prophetic Servant ...the debate was whether Jesus died and according to the bible he did and according to you perhaps he died only one death out of the three types of death that you listed, but to make things interesting I will address the diffeent types of death you named and explain how they all could have applied to Jesus

"Spiritual Death" ..since Jesus dare to question God when he asked "why halt thou forsaken me" this could have been considered a sin against God and perhaps grounds for a spiritual death

"Physical Death" it is the bible itself that states that Jesus died a physical death on the cross which also could be because he had a spiritual death when he dared to question God

"Eternal Death"
which you described as a holding tank in Hell until the inhabitants would be resurrected on Judgement day ...since Jesus was resurrected this also cold apply to him ...the bible do not explain where Jesus were those three days before his resurrection ...some even suggest that he was in Hell

and that Prophetic Servant is how all three deaths could have applied to Jesus when he according to the bible died on the cross and before his ressurection

lol..deff no spark on my part...i've dont tons of openminded reading on many many religions..even as far as taking bible study to get more in depth..at the end of all my studies.bible,karan,buddism,wicca,and so on...i came to a very educated conclusion....mans fear of death leads him to come up with some funny stuff

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This is true. However, the Constitution doesn't have a lot of incredible, as in not credible, things in it.