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oh but on the contrary it does not meen you're dead. Yes to this world it meens you are dead cause this world has fallen away from God. But in truth it does not meen you are dead. Cowboy .....you still haven't explain if Jesus didn't die then why he had to be ressurected |
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oh but on the contrary it does not meen you're dead. Yes to this world it meens you are dead cause this world has fallen away from God. But in truth it does not meen you are dead. Cowboy .....you still haven't explain if Jesus didn't die then why he had to be ressurected yes i have many of times, his physical body "passed away" HE DID NOT DIE. This just shows us we have more then our body, cause how could he be resurected if he died? It is because he did not die, but passed away for a time being. |
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yes i have many of times, his physical body "passed away" HE DID NOT DIE. And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. (Acts 3:15) the bible said that Jesus was dead ... |
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yes i have many of times, his physical body "passed away" HE DID NOT DIE. And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. (Acts 3:15) the bible said that Jesus was dead ... no it did not say he was dead, just read the verse you gave, where in that verse do you see the word dead? |
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There is clinical death ( death of the body) there is spiritual death( death of the spirit). Both are to be considered when discussing the existence of Jesus, in my opinion. I believe you gentleman are both focused on only one facet. You could easily agree in the middle that the witnesses witnessed the death of his body, which is what the world holds dear and would put the emphasis on. His followers witnessed that his spirit lived on and so for them he did not die.
Sorry, but there is just not much else to respond to in the other threads...the dialogue here is interesting, to say the least. |
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yes i have many of times, his physical body "passed away" HE DID NOT DIE. And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. (Acts 3:15) the bible said that Jesus was dead ... no it did not say he was dead, just read the verse you gave, where in that verse do you see the word dead? other then rose from the dead...... yes he was "clinically" dead, but in all reality he never "died". |
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yes i have many of times, his physical body "passed away" HE DID NOT DIE. And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. (Acts 3:15) the bible said that Jesus was dead ... no it did not say he was dead, just read the verse you gave, where in that verse do you see the word dead? Cowboy ..." raised from the dead" is clearly written in that verse.... |
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There is clinical death ( death of the body) there is spiritual death( death of the spirit). Both are to be considered when discussing the existence of Jesus, in my opinion. I believe you gentleman are both focused on only one facet. You could easily agree in the middle that the witnesses witnessed the death of his body, which is what the world holds dear and would put the emphasis on. His followers witnessed that his spirit lived on and so for them he did not die. Sorry, but there is just not much else to respond to in the other threads...the dialogue here is interesting, to say the least. thank you, exactly what i'm trying to get through and is why i've mentioned the only way to die is go to hell. And have said yes he may have been "clinically dead" but actually never died. Thank you, much appreciated. |
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There is clinical death ( death of the body) there is spiritual death( death of the spirit). Both are to be considered when discussing the existence of Jesus, in my opinion. I believe you gentleman are both focused on only one facet. You could easily agree in the middle that the witnesses witnessed the death of his body, which is what the world holds dear and would put the emphasis on. His followers witnessed that his spirit lived on and so for them he did not die. Sorry, but there is just not much else to respond to in the other threads...the dialogue here is interesting, to say the least. msharmony...no problem your input is welcome ...but let's face it...when Jesus was on the cross do you believe the believers were debating about clinical death and/or spiritual death or did just relate to the observation that Jesus was dead |
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other then rose from the dead...... yes he was "clinically" dead, but in all reality he never "died". Cowboy ..the reality is that the bible said that Jesus was "dead" and that God ressurected him...you either believe in what the bible say or you don't ...your version goes against the belief and the religious scriptures |
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There is clinical death ( death of the body) there is spiritual death( death of the spirit). Both are to be considered when discussing the existence of Jesus, in my opinion. I believe you gentleman are both focused on only one facet. You could easily agree in the middle that the witnesses witnessed the death of his body, which is what the world holds dear and would put the emphasis on. His followers witnessed that his spirit lived on and so for them he did not die. Sorry, but there is just not much else to respond to in the other threads...the dialogue here is interesting, to say the least. msharmony...no problem your input is welcome ...but let's face it...when Jesus was on the cross do you believe the believers were debating about clinical death and/or spiritual death or did just relate to the observation that Jesus was dead they said died so our mortal minds and the lost could understand. They didn't get into specifics what death they were talking about cause that would get the lost and mortal minded people confused. So they had to spell it out in lamens term. |
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There is clinical death ( death of the body) there is spiritual death( death of the spirit). Both are to be considered when discussing the existence of Jesus, in my opinion. I believe you gentleman are both focused on only one facet. You could easily agree in the middle that the witnesses witnessed the death of his body, which is what the world holds dear and would put the emphasis on. His followers witnessed that his spirit lived on and so for them he did not die. Sorry, but there is just not much else to respond to in the other threads...the dialogue here is interesting, to say the least. msharmony...no problem your input is welcome ...but let's face it...when Jesus was on the cross do you believe the believers were debating about clinical death and/or spiritual death or did just relate to the observation that Jesus was dead I doubt they were. They reported what they observed from a wordly point of view which was technically a clinical death but the only kind that would have mattered,,,,until three days later anyhow. |
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and you also have to take the whole bible into mind, not pick out specific verses to completely understand it. You could take one verse and not understand it or misinterpret it and then read on furter and realize exactly what that first verse was meening.
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they said died so our mortal minds and the lost could understand. They didn't get into specifics what death they were talking about cause that would get the lost and mortal minded people confused. So they had to spell it out in lamens term. Cowboy ...if the bible is the word of God and it is written in the bible that Jesus died..are you now suggesting that God's word and the bible is inaccurate |
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they said died so our mortal minds and the lost could understand. They didn't get into specifics what death they were talking about cause that would get the lost and mortal minded people confused. So they had to spell it out in lamens term. Cowboy ...if the bible is the word of God and it is written in the bible that Jesus died..are you now suggesting that God's word and the bible is inaccurate no not at all, the bible again is written so our mortal minds and the lost can understand it. |
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Edited by
funches
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Sun 11/01/09 01:28 PM
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I doubt they were. They reported what they observed from a wordly point of view which was technically a clinical death but the only kind that would have mattered,,,,until three days later anyhow. if Jesus was only clinically dead then why would God have to ressurect him ... |
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they said died so our mortal minds and the lost could understand. They didn't get into specifics what death they were talking about cause that would get the lost and mortal minded people confused. So they had to spell it out in lamens term. Cowboy ...if the bible is the word of God and it is written in the bible that Jesus died..are you now suggesting that God's word and the bible is inaccurate no not at all, the bible again is written so our mortal minds and the lost can understand it. then there is no excuse for you not to understand that dead means dead |
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I doubt they were. They reported what they observed from a wordly point of view which was technically a clinical death but the only kind that would have mattered,,,,until three days later anyhow. if Jesus was only clinically dead then why would God have to ressurect him ... as a show to the world who Jesus was and what God can do. It was an act to open our eyes. |
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and you also have to take the whole bible into mind, not pick out specific verses to completely understand it. You could take one verse and not understand it or misinterpret it and then read on furter and realize exactly what that first verse was meening. right...that's why I chose the verse that state that Jesus died and that God ressurected him ....now all you have to do is find a passage that states that God didn't resurrect Jesus because he didn't die |
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that's ok Funches, i have said what i'm going to say here. Not going to argue anymore cause arguments just cause anger and pushes people away. I'm going to let the words i've said set in and have God take it from there. And i ask you to read my words that i've said with an open heart and open mind. I hope you let the lord into your heart i give you my word that after you have your life will change for the better, you'll have more love in your life and life will get easier for you. Please just give it a chance funches, i beg of you.
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