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Topic: HELP BRING DOWN THE FOX NEWS MONSTER!
Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sun 10/04/09 05:49 PM
Fascism is a form of political and social behavior that arises when the middle class, finding its hopes frustrated by economic instability coupled with political polarization and deadlock, abandons traditional ideologies and turns, with the approbation of police and military forces, to a poorly-defined but emotionally appealing soteriology of national unity, immediate and direct resolution of problems, and intolerance for dissent.” (Chuck Anesi, 2008) http://www.anesi.com/Fascism-TheUltimateDefinition.htm#5._The_Ultimate_Definition out splitting wood but thanking everyone for the mental distraction. Wood cutting and splitting is mentaly tedious and this allows my mind to wander. Ok, now that we've played the usual 'define the word' game... Can you not see that enforcing one side of a political polarization of views, abandoning traditional ideologies (democratic constitutional freedoms in our case) with the power of the state (backed up by the legal system and police), to enforce a poorly-defined emotional appeal that differing opinions should be silenced isn't part of the definition of fascism? You might not get it even with definitions of fascism in front of you - but a lot of other people do. We don't want or need YOUR opinion forced on us or anyone. Keep it as an opinion and not a law. To do so in that manner is fascism. GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the [Patriot] act could further alienate conservatives ... “I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.” “Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.” “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!” From Capitol Hill Blue, by Doug Thompson, December 5, 2005 Why did you post that? Because FOX news chose not to blare it 24/7 when it happened nor did Glen Beck or Rush Lymbaugh

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Sun 10/04/09 07:45 PM
ok..let me use this example (if I may) George thinks Fox is full of lies and MSM is truthful (or at least just biased) Hank thinks MSM is full of lies and Fox is truthful (or at least just biased) NOW.... Fred thinks they are just both biased who is right and who decides who is right??? If we ban one side...ban the other side as well or it will effect Fred. edit and the "I'm right, you're wrong" argument doesn't count

AMPdog Joined Tue 10/23/07 Posts: 238	Sun 10/04/09 08:27 PM Edited by AMPdog on Sun 10/04/09 08:42 PM
Fascism is a form of political and social behavior that arises when the middle class, finding its hopes frustrated by economic instability coupled with political polarization and deadlock, abandons traditional ideologies and turns, with the approbation of police and military forces, to a poorly-defined but emotionally appealing soteriology of national unity, immediate and direct resolution of problems, and intolerance for dissent.” (Chuck Anesi, 2008) http://www.anesi.com/Fascism-TheUltimateDefinition.htm#5._The_Ultimate_Definition out splitting wood but thanking everyone for the mental distraction. Wood cutting and splitting is mentaly tedious and this allows my mind to wander. Ok, now that we've played the usual 'define the word' game... Can you not see that enforcing one side of a political polarization of views, abandoning traditional ideologies (democratic constitutional freedoms in our case) with the power of the state (backed up by the legal system and police), to enforce a poorly-defined emotional appeal that differing opinions should be silenced isn't part of the definition of fascism? You might not get it even with definitions of fascism in front of you - but a lot of other people do. We don't want or need YOUR opinion forced on us or anyone. Keep it as an opinion and not a law. To do so in that manner is fascism. GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the [Patriot] act could further alienate conservatives ... “I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.” “Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.” “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!” From Capitol Hill Blue, by Doug Thompson, December 5, 2005 Why did you post that? Because FOX news chose not to blare it 24/7 when it happened nor did Glen Beck or Rush Lymbaugh http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_president_bush_call_the_constitution_a.html You're a sheep. I get it now. Have fun with your thoughtless regurgitation of "facts" you obviously so deeply researched and not just regurgitated because you want to believe it. Baaaaaaaah. Follow your party line, hurry up or you might get left behind and have to hear dissenting opinions. And by the way, educate yourself on what an op-ed piece is and stop being afraid of opinions.

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Sun 10/04/09 08:45 PM
woo hoo...good catch AMP. I didn't even know what he was talking about

reb Joined Sat 10/28/06 Posts: 2	Sun 10/04/09 09:01 PM
Sounds to me that you don't know what you're talking about. Fox news is the best news on and they don't hide anything political like the other major news stations do. Just good news reporting at its best. Don't watch it if it offends you.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Sun 10/04/09 09:02 PM
Sounds to me that you don't know what you're talking about. Fox news is the best news on and they don't hide anything political like the other major news stations do. Just good news reporting at its best. Don't watch it if it offends you. Gotta' love that gal Reb. Welcome, beautiful!

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Mon 10/05/09 02:09 AM
The Fact tht Thompson protects his sources does not imply he is incorrect. Here is a little poll. True or False Bush said it. Take it to the bank. 29% 54 votes Don't believe everything you read. 19% 36 votes He may not have said it, but he thinks it every day. 51% 95 votes Our President is loyal to the Constitution. 2% 3 votes http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/9/143434/049

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Mon 10/05/09 04:58 AM
Fascism is a form of political and social behavior that arises when the middle class, finding its hopes frustrated by economic instability coupled with political polarization and deadlock, abandons traditional ideologies and turns, with the approbation of police and military forces, to a poorly-defined but emotionally appealing soteriology of national unity, immediate and direct resolution of problems, and intolerance for dissent.” (Chuck Anesi, 2008) http://www.anesi.com/Fascism-TheUltimateDefinition.htm#5._The_Ultimate_Definition out splitting wood but thanking everyone for the mental distraction. Wood cutting and splitting is mentaly tedious and this allows my mind to wander. Ok, now that we've played the usual 'define the word' game... Can you not see that enforcing one side of a political polarization of views, abandoning traditional ideologies (democratic constitutional freedoms in our case) with the power of the state (backed up by the legal system and police), to enforce a poorly-defined emotional appeal that differing opinions should be silenced isn't part of the definition of fascism? You might not get it even with definitions of fascism in front of you - but a lot of other people do. We don't want or need YOUR opinion forced on us or anyone. Keep it as an opinion and not a law. To do so in that manner is fascism. GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the [Patriot] act could further alienate conservatives ... “I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.” “Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.” “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!” From Capitol Hill Blue, by Doug Thompson, December 5, 2005 Why did you post that? Because FOX news chose not to blare it 24/7 when it happened nor did Glen Beck or Rush Lymbaugh http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_president_bush_call_the_constitution_a.html You're a sheep. I get it now. Have fun with your thoughtless regurgitation of "facts" you obviously so deeply researched and not just regurgitated because you want to believe it. Baaaaaaaah. Follow your party line, hurry up or you might get left behind and have to hear dissenting opinions. And by the way, educate yourself on what an op-ed piece is and stop being afraid of opinions. Did you realy expect the three sources to come forward? Realy after what happened to Valarie Plame? Unfortunatly when her Husband Joe Wilson came forward with all the BS on the Iraq war his wife was outed as a CIA agent in a time of war. read all about it at. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/28/AR2005102801172.html I suggest you try to link your facts to the reality we live in. Its unfortunate that the three insiders didn't come forward and it comes down to a "he said she said" I for one think its true all the evidence points in that direction and I am sure most people would agree that any insider that came forward with information was punished the the Bush junta.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 10/05/09 05:48 AM Edited by msharmony on Mon 10/05/09 05:50 AM
Fascism is a form of political and social behavior that arises when the middle class, finding its hopes frustrated by economic instability coupled with political polarization and deadlock, abandons traditional ideologies and turns, with the approbation of police and military forces, to a poorly-defined but emotionally appealing soteriology of national unity, immediate and direct resolution of problems, and intolerance for dissent.” (Chuck Anesi, 2008) http://www.anesi.com/Fascism-TheUltimateDefinition.htm#5._The_Ultimate_Definition out splitting wood but thanking everyone for the mental distraction. Wood cutting and splitting is mentaly tedious and this allows my mind to wander. Ok, now that we've played the usual 'define the word' game... Can you not see that enforcing one side of a political polarization of views, abandoning traditional ideologies (democratic constitutional freedoms in our case) with the power of the state (backed up by the legal system and police), to enforce a poorly-defined emotional appeal that differing opinions should be silenced isn't part of the definition of fascism? You might not get it even with definitions of fascism in front of you - but a lot of other people do. We don't want or need YOUR opinion forced on us or anyone. Keep it as an opinion and not a law. To do so in that manner is fascism. GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the [Patriot] act could further alienate conservatives ... “I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.” “Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.” “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!” From Capitol Hill Blue, by Doug Thompson, December 5, 2005 Why did you post that? Because FOX news chose not to blare it 24/7 when it happened nor did Glen Beck or Rush Lymbaugh http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_president_bush_call_the_constitution_a.html You're a sheep. I get it now. Have fun with your thoughtless regurgitation of "facts" you obviously so deeply researched and not just regurgitated because you want to believe it. Baaaaaaaah. Follow your party line, hurry up or you might get left behind and have to hear dissenting opinions. And by the way, educate yourself on what an op-ed piece is and stop being afraid of opinions. Did you realy expect the three sources to come forward? Realy after what happened to Valarie Plame? Unfortunatly when her Husband Joe Wilson came forward with all the BS on the Iraq war his wife was outed as a CIA agent in a time of war. read all about it at. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/28/AR2005102801172.html I suggest you try to link your facts to the reality we live in. Its unfortunate that the three insiders didn't come forward and it comes down to a "he said she said" I for one think its true all the evidence points in that direction and I am sure most people would agree that any insider that came forward with information was punished the the Bush junta. Here in lies the problem with media and 'news' outlets. People do not stop to consider how MUCH of our news is from UNNAMED insiders accusations. Little of it has any paper trails or documentation, just what someone heard , or said, or said they heard. How many times do news commentators use the phrase 'according to our sources'? Seems like the same thing that this person did. I happen to have the opinion that is both probable and possible that Bush could have said something like that,,but I wont post it as fact like so many people on blogs, forums and news stations do,,,just because a SOURCE said so. I recall an unauthorized biography about Bush that was never disputed by him or his entourage. The author is VERY respected for her truthfulness, writes for a living, and has YET to have been found to be lying,,,I think that makes her credible,,but I still cant in good conscious pretend like I know for a fact everything she says is true. People get so emotional about things they have no way of knowing are true and it keeps us fighting with each other in stead of working to make things better.

prisoner Joined Tue 01/06/09 Posts: 5129	Mon 10/05/09 05:49 AM
Fox News is far more entertaining than other media outlets. Thats why I watch,to be entertained. The fact that they lean to the 'right' does not bother me. I am smart enough to decide how I feel about a story. I do comend Fox News for 2 things,1) not getting caught up in The Obama Lovefest and 2) their job in going after ACORN was not only good investigative journalisim,it was highly entertaining. If you don't like Fox News,use your free will and put on aother network. be seeing you

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 10/05/09 05:54 AM
I agree. cant have good without bad, right without wrong, or reasonable without preposterous,,,,it would not solve much to make reporting one sided,,,,it would just help to have a public that is more educated about how much more opinion is involved in the reporting of facts than there are facts,,, be seeing you

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 10/05/09 05:56 AM
Just saw a great example. "Police had no choice but to shoot the suspect" (opinion stated like fact) factual reporting would be " Police shot the suspect."

prisoner Joined Tue 01/06/09 Posts: 5129	Mon 10/05/09 06:01 AM
msharmony,thanx for the use of the phrase 'be seeing you' in your post. Spread the words.. be seeing you

Quietman_2009 Joined Wed 07/29/09 Posts: 7430	Mon 10/05/09 06:02 AM
more people watch FOX than any other cable news

AMPdog Joined Tue 10/23/07 Posts: 238	Mon 10/05/09 06:32 AM
Fascism is a form of political and social behavior that arises when the middle class, finding its hopes frustrated by economic instability coupled with political polarization and deadlock, abandons traditional ideologies and turns, with the approbation of police and military forces, to a poorly-defined but emotionally appealing soteriology of national unity, immediate and direct resolution of problems, and intolerance for dissent.” (Chuck Anesi, 2008) http://www.anesi.com/Fascism-TheUltimateDefinition.htm#5._The_Ultimate_Definition out splitting wood but thanking everyone for the mental distraction. Wood cutting and splitting is mentaly tedious and this allows my mind to wander. Ok, now that we've played the usual 'define the word' game... Can you not see that enforcing one side of a political polarization of views, abandoning traditional ideologies (democratic constitutional freedoms in our case) with the power of the state (backed up by the legal system and police), to enforce a poorly-defined emotional appeal that differing opinions should be silenced isn't part of the definition of fascism? You might not get it even with definitions of fascism in front of you - but a lot of other people do. We don't want or need YOUR opinion forced on us or anyone. Keep it as an opinion and not a law. To do so in that manner is fascism. GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the [Patriot] act could further alienate conservatives ... “I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.” “Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.” “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!” From Capitol Hill Blue, by Doug Thompson, December 5, 2005 Why did you post that? Because FOX news chose not to blare it 24/7 when it happened nor did Glen Beck or Rush Lymbaugh http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_president_bush_call_the_constitution_a.html You're a sheep. I get it now. Have fun with your thoughtless regurgitation of "facts" you obviously so deeply researched and not just regurgitated because you want to believe it. Baaaaaaaah. Follow your party line, hurry up or you might get left behind and have to hear dissenting opinions. And by the way, educate yourself on what an op-ed piece is and stop being afraid of opinions. Did you realy expect the three sources to come forward? Realy after what happened to Valarie Plame? Unfortunatly when her Husband Joe Wilson came forward with all the BS on the Iraq war his wife was outed as a CIA agent in a time of war. read all about it at. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/28/AR2005102801172.html I suggest you try to link your facts to the reality we live in. Its unfortunate that the three insiders didn't come forward and it comes down to a "he said she said" I for one think its true all the evidence points in that direction and I am sure most people would agree that any insider that came forward with information was punished the the Bush junta. What facts are you talking about? I haven't seen any facts in this whole thread. We were discussing opinion and making them illegal if they don't happen to agree with you. If you want to use vague, questionable opinions from people with political agendas for your 'facts' without applying any thought... go for it. I personally don't like being used by people to recite political dogma and slander but it's literally your right to be stupid like that. Have fun being used by people more intelligent than yourself. But I guess I'll add: I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. Too bad egocentrism and close-mindedness prevent you from returning the favor.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Mon 10/05/09 09:33 AM Edited by Bestinshow on Mon 10/05/09 09:37 AM
Just saw a great example. "Police had no choice but to shoot the suspect" (opinion stated like fact) factual reporting would be " Police shot the suspect." There is a better one pointed out by Paul Krugman There was what President Obama likes to call a teachable moment last week, when the International Olympic Committee rejected Chicago’s bid to be host of the 2016 Summer Games. “Cheers erupted” at the headquarters of the conservative Weekly Standard, according to a blog post by a member of the magazine’s staff, with the headline “Obama loses! Obama loses!” Rush Limbaugh declared himself “gleeful.” “World Rejects Obama,” gloated the Drudge Report. And so on. So what did we learn from this moment? For one thing, we learned that the modern conservative movement, which dominates the modern Republican Party, has the emotional maturity of a bratty 13-year-old. But more important, the episode illustrated an essential truth about the state of American politics: at this point, the guiding principle of one of our nation’s two great political parties is spite pure and simple. If Republicans think something might be good for the president, they’re against it — whether or not it’s good for America." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/opinion/05krugman.html?_r=1&ref=opinion I dont think the guy who reported this from the Weekly Standard is going to come forth and lose his job but I have no doubts that it happened

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Mon 10/05/09 10:24 AM
can we get banned too??? pretty please??? it's funny how some bash one side for it being biased but have no problem with the biased media on the other side. I guess as long as they say what you want to hear it's all good??? Hi rose smirkingchimp, commondreams and truthout are not on the PUBLIC airwaves. Neither is fox news, they are on cable. I guess now, you'll change your position?

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Mon 10/05/09 10:28 AM
Just saw a great example. "Police had no choice but to shoot the suspect" (opinion stated like fact) factual reporting would be " Police shot the suspect." There is a better one pointed out by Paul Krugman There was what President Obama likes to call a teachable moment last week, when the International Olympic Committee rejected Chicago’s bid to be host of the 2016 Summer Games. “Cheers erupted” at the headquarters of the conservative Weekly Standard, according to a blog post by a member of the magazine’s staff, with the headline “Obama loses! Obama loses!” Rush Limbaugh declared himself “gleeful.” “World Rejects Obama,” gloated the Drudge Report. And so on. So what did we learn from this moment? For one thing, we learned that the modern conservative movement, which dominates the modern Republican Party, has the emotional maturity of a bratty 13-year-old. But more important, the episode illustrated an essential truth about the state of American politics: at this point, the guiding principle of one of our nation’s two great political parties is spite pure and simple. If Republicans think something might be good for the president, they’re against it — whether or not it’s good for America." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/opinion/05krugman.html?_r=1&ref=opinion I dont think the guy who reported this from the Weekly Standard is going to come forth and lose his job but I have no doubts that it happened How dare they have their own opinions. I agree with you, we should unthinkingly support Obama in anything and everything he does. And I can't wait to hear about what Michelle is wearing this week, how great her arms are or how well coiffed her hair is.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Mon 10/05/09 11:14 AM
Just saw a great example. "Police had no choice but to shoot the suspect" (opinion stated like fact) factual reporting would be " Police shot the suspect." There is a better one pointed out by Paul Krugman There was what President Obama likes to call a teachable moment last week, when the International Olympic Committee rejected Chicago’s bid to be host of the 2016 Summer Games. “Cheers erupted” at the headquarters of the conservative Weekly Standard, according to a blog post by a member of the magazine’s staff, with the headline “Obama loses! Obama loses!” Rush Limbaugh declared himself “gleeful.” “World Rejects Obama,” gloated the Drudge Report. And so on. So what did we learn from this moment? For one thing, we learned that the modern conservative movement, which dominates the modern Republican Party, has the emotional maturity of a bratty 13-year-old. But more important, the episode illustrated an essential truth about the state of American politics: at this point, the guiding principle of one of our nation’s two great political parties is spite pure and simple. If Republicans think something might be good for the president, they’re against it — whether or not it’s good for America." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/opinion/05krugman.html?_r=1&ref=opinion I dont think the guy who reported this from the Weekly Standard is going to come forth and lose his job but I have no doubts that it happened How dare they have their own opinions. I agree with you, we should unthinkingly support Obama in anything and everything he does. And I can't wait to hear about what Michelle is wearing this week, how great her arms are or how well coiffed her hair is. Sorry most people think hosting the olympics is a great honor as well as an economic stimulas.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Mon 10/05/09 11:18 AM
more people watch FOX than any other cable news It comforts me to know most progersivs and liberals are not sitting at home shakeing their fist at the TV. We are probably packing our kids lunches, batheing them, out to eat or makeing dinner or sleeping with a co worker. I never knew it was a badge of honor to have your base sitting at home watching television. That reminds me of when I did volnteer work for the Obama campaign, out of all the days I was out door to door leading up to the election I never once ran into a pro Mcain/Palin volunteer they must all have been at home shakeing their fist at the TV.