You could call our government fascist when it controls information/news/opinion. I agree. Why do so many of you want that?

The basis of the the right to free speech in the USA was put in place to ensure that people won't infringe on other peoples different views through the power of the state. But I guess some people don't see other people's views as important and are even scared by them enough to want to silence them. Why?

Anyway, for those willing to use the state to silence those that don't agree: Shut up.

Hope everyone has a good day.

Fascism is a form of political and social behavior that arises when the middle class, finding its hopes frustrated by economic instability coupled with political polarization and deadlock, abandons traditional ideologies and turns, with the approbation of police and military forces, to a poorly-defined but emotionally appealing soteriology of national unity, immediate and direct resolution of problems, and intolerance for dissent.” (Chuck Anesi, 2008)
http://www.anesi.com/Fascism-TheUltimateDefinition.htm#5._The_Ultimate_Definition

out splitting wood but thanking everyone for the mental distraction. Wood cutting and splitting is mentaly tedious and this allows my mind to wander.

The big problemb with fox news is they are on the PUBLIC airwaves there are certain laws that apply to what can and cannot be presented as news. fairness in adverstiseing is one of them, hence the term "fair and balanced" Unfortunatly Fox news tends to find the weakest left wing person available to argue a cause for the left, like the former Hannity and Colmes. Sure both sides are presented but lets put one guy in a dress to argue against the Iraq war.

Ok, now that we've played the usual 'define the word' game... Can you not see that enforcing one side of a political polarization of views, abandoning traditional ideologies (democratic constitutional freedoms in our case) with the power of the state (backed up by the legal system and police), to enforce a poorly-defined emotional appeal that differing opinions should be silenced isn't part of the definition of fascism?

You might not get it even with definitions of fascism in front of you - but a lot of other people do. We don't want or need YOUR opinion forced on us or anyone. Keep it as an opinion and not a law. To do so in that manner is fascism.

I dont think any mingler is strong enough to FORCE their opinion on me. Its a forum to allow all opinions to be expressed, and disagreed with,,lol

The basis of our government being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate for a moment to prefer the latter. - Thomas Jefferson


Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws. Criticism of the government and advocacy of unpopular ideas that people may find distasteful or against public policy, such as racism, are generally permitted. There are exceptions to the general protection of speech, however, including the Miller test for obscenity, child pornography laws, and regulation of commercial speech such as advertising. Other limitations on free speech often balance rights to free speech and other rights, such as property rights for authors and inventors (copyright), interests in "fair" political campaigns (Campaign finance laws), protection from imminent or potential violence against particular persons (restrictions on Hate speech or fighting words), or the use of untruths to harm others (slander). Distinctions are often made between speech and other acts which may have symbolic significance. Efforts have been made to ban flag desecration, for example, though currently that act remains protected speech.

Try burning a flag at a VFW Hall

Thanks, Bestinshow.

not something I would personally do myself

WESTINGHOUSE / CBS INC. "Not Just Fridges Anymore".


Westinghouse Electric Company, part of of the large Nuclear Utilities Business Group of British Nuclear Fuels.
Which is Headed By Frank Carlucci of the Carlyle Group. A group with very strong ties to the Bush Administration.

TV Holdings:
* CBS: Owns outright 14 stations and over 200 affiliates in the US.
* CBS Network News: 60 minutes, 48 hours, CBS Evening News, CBS Morning News.
* Country Music Television, The Nashville Network.
* Group W Satellite Communications.
Other Holdings:
* Westinghouse Electric Company: provides services to the nuclear power industry including owning 4 nuclear plants, waste disposal and transport.

http://www.whoownsthenews.com/

ahhhh but even with facts there can be spins on it. BOTH sides do it so don't get rid of just one side.

what are lies to some are truths to others and slants to yet others. again....who is going to decide who is right or wrong in this???? do we ban both sides???? who has the audacity to tell me what I can or can not know???? who is arrogant enough to tell me they know what's best for me in this case?

Time, Not Just On The Coffee Table Anymore".

TIME-WARNER TBS - AOL (In 2000 they donated 1.6 million to George Bush's political campaign)


America Online (AOL) acquired Time Warner which was the largest merger in corporate history.
TV Holdings:
* CNN, HBO, Cinemax, TBS Superstation, Turner Network Television, Turner Classic Movies, Warner Brothers Television, Cartoon Network, Sega Channel, TNT, Comedy Central.
* Largest cable system owner with an estimated 13 million households.
Media Holdings:
* HBO Productions, Warner Home Video, New Line Cinema, Castle Rock, Looney Tunes, Hanna-Barbera.
* Music: Atlantic, Elektra, Rhino, Sire, Warner Bros. Records, EMI.
* Thirty three major magazines including Time, Sports Illustrated, People Magazine, In Style, Fortune, The Book of the Month Club, Entertainment Weekly, Life Magazne, DC Comics, MAD Magazine.
Other major corporation Holdings:
* Sports Teams and Wrestling: The Atlanta Braves, The Atlanta Hawks, World Championship Wrestling.
http://www.whoownsthenews.com/

Now For The "Conservative News Media"
Why did Australian Rupert Murdoch forsake his native country and become a U.S. citizen? Reportedly it was because he could save on taxes and start over in virgin territory after leaving behind so much scorched earth in the Australian economy as he laid waste to his business opponents and bought up media outlets. Or perhaps it was just so he could get around foreign media ownership laws. (Which no longer exist.)

Does a Saudi billionaire actually have the power to control the news on the Fox network, of which he is a part owner?

NEWS CORPORATION LTD. / FOX NETWORKS (Rupert Murdoch, numerous donations. On Board of Directors of Phillip Morris, Phillip Morris Donated 2.9 million to Bush's campaign.
Major Television Holdings:
* Fox Television: includes 22 major and many affiliate stations, Penetration into more than 60% of US households.
* Fox International: extensive worldwide cable and satellite networks include British Sky Broadcasting (40%); VOX, Germany (49.9%); Canal Fox, Latin America; FOXTEL, Australia (50%); STAR TV, Asia, IskyB, India; Bahasa Programming Ltd., Indonesia (50%); and News Broadcasting, Japan (80%), major owner of DirecTV.
* The Golf Channel (33%).
Other Major Media Hodings:
* Twentieth Century Fox, Fox Searchlight.
* 132 major newspapers (113 in Australia alone) including the New York Post, the London Times and The Australian.
* Owns 25 magazines including TV Guide and The Weekly Standard.
* Owns HarperCollins books.
Othe Major Corporation Holdings around the word:
* Sports: LA Dodgers, LA Kings, LA Lakers, National Rugby League.
* Ansett Australia airline, Ansett New Zealand airlines.
* Rupert Murdoch is on the Board of Directors of Philip Morris, a major Bush donor.


It's no surprise that corporate robber baron Rupert Murdoch is a major Bush supporter but who else owns Fox News? Prince al-Walid bin Talal owns 5.5% of Fox News.

Prince al- Walid bin Talal stated recently that he used his influence to change Fox's headlines. During the recent riots in Muslim neighborhoods in France Fox was using the term "Muslim Riots" to describe rioting by Muslim youths and Prince bin Talal claims that called Fox News had them change the title of the story to "Youth Riots". Source. worldnetdaily.com

In another instance, where supposedly conservative Fox News should have been up in arms, was the deal by a United Arab Emirates holding company to buy U.S. ports. Suddenly Fox went from being against the deal to very supportive of a deal that would have put US container ports in foreign hands. A U.A.E. sovereign wealth fund also owns major shares of Fox.

The "good ole boys" that hang on every word that Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly utters might not be so happy when they hear who is whispering in their idol's ears.

The Council On Foreign Relations and What It Has To Do With Corporate Control Of The News CFR Seal

What do Dan Rather, Barbara Walters, Jim Lehrer, Rupert Murdoch, Tom Brokaw and the late William F. Buckley have in common? They are all members of the CFR, The Council On Foreign Relations. The stated goal of the CFR is to manipulate the News to bring about a new world order or corporate control of everything. This is not some weird conspiracy theory, it is stated in their original charter. Who else belongs to the CFR, Disney's Michael Eisner and ABC's Thomas Murphy, Tom Johnson, CEO of CNN, Time Warner's Gerald Levine, and many, many more media CEO's who have merged their empires under the CFR's guidance.
http://www.whoownsthenews.com/

ok..let me use this example (if I may)

George thinks Fox is full of lies and MSM is truthful (or at least just biased)

Hank thinks MSM is full of lies and Fox is truthful (or at least just biased)

NOW....

Fred thinks they are just both biased



who is right and who decides who is right??? If we ban one side...ban the other side as well or it will effect Fred.

*edit* and the "I'm right, you're wrong" argument doesn't count

Welcome Winx

I would like them to live up to their logo if they are going to use the logo, fair and balanced, because they fail at that big time.

I have written to Fox and Beck and O'reilly about their unfair and unbalanced stories and I get no response nor do they post my emails on their show.

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the [Patriot] act could further alienate conservatives ...

“I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.”

“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”

From Capitol Hill Blue, by Doug Thompson, December 5, 2005

http://www.newshounds.us/

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