Topic: HELP BRING DOWN THE FOX NEWS MONSTER!
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Sun 10/04/09 07:23 AM
Edited by TelephoneMan on Sun 10/04/09 07:24 AM
Just do what I did almost ten years ago... sell your TV...

... and I never bought another one...

... its amazing how free thinking one can become when the blaring media box is removed from the living environment...

If you haven't figured this out yet, the "media circus" is but one thing... the propaganda leg of the current government system...

Turn off the blaring boob tube and get a life....

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Sun 10/04/09 07:31 AM
What Liberal or Right Wing Media? It's Just Corporate Media.

Who really controls the media? Is the so called "liberal media" that the right complains about controlled by Hollywood and liberal special interests? Is Fox News controlled by the Republican Party? If you believe any of these generalizations you are dead wrong and the truth will shock you.

Major multinational corporations, Middle Eastern sovereign wealth funds and Saudi Princes, all hell bent on protecting their own interests, choose what you will see on the nightly news and trick you into believing it is unbiased reporting. As we see below all the major news outlets, regardless of what they make you believe, contributed heavily to George W. Bush in both 2000 and 2004 so any argument that they are controlled by liberals evaporates. In this case they all supported the candidate that promised to allow consolidation of multiple media companies.

The very news stories that you are fed by the mainstream media are manipulated to mirror the public relations campaigns of companies that operate nuclear plants, sprawling theme parks that gobble up wetlands, defense contractors, oil companies and even Saudi Princes. Remember the old "Outer Limits" TV shows where the announcer says "We control everything you see and hear, the vertical, the horizontal," etc? The corporate controlled news media controls all you see and hear.

Here are the top twenty media corporations in the U.S. according to mediaowners.com All but two of the following, #18 and #19 are not members of the Council On Foreign Relations.


1. Time Warner Inc.
2. Walt Disney Company
3. Viacom Inc.
4. News Corporation
5. CBS Corporation
6. Cox Enterprises
7. NBC Universal
8. Gannett Company, Inc.
9. Clear Channel Communications Inc.
10. Advance Publications, Inc.
11. Tribune Company
12. McGraw-Hill Companies
13. Hearst Corporation
14. Washington Post Company
15. The New York Times Company
16. E.W. Scripps Co.
17. McClatchy Company
18. Thomson Corporation
19. Freedom Communications, Inc.
20. A&E Television Networks

http://www.whoownsthenews.com/

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Sun 10/04/09 08:26 AM
Edited by AMPdog on Sun 10/04/09 08:27 AM
Bestinshow - Why all the hypocrisy? Think you are above the influence of mass media yet you are calling on the state/government (FTC) to back up your personal views of how mass-media (op-ed) should exist to YOUR liking? Closed-mindedness and hypocrisy at its finest. Please don't tell me you sincerely think that passing laws and regulations that infringe upon the free-speech of your fellow citizens is "good"? Granted I didn't read every single response to this point - maybe I missed the joke.

Just do what I did almost ten years ago... sell your TV...

... and I never bought another one...

... its amazing how free thinking one can become when the blaring media box is removed from the living environment...

If you haven't figured this out yet, the "media circus" is but one thing... the propaganda leg of the current government system...

Turn off the blaring boob tube and get a life....


Too bad more people won't take even little steps towards independent thought. I agree totally. Amazing that you came up with a solution that didn't involve infringing upon Constitutional rights.

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Sun 10/04/09 08:41 AM

Bestinshow - Why all the hypocrisy? Think you are above the influence of mass media yet you are calling on the state/government (FTC) to back up your personal views of how mass-media (op-ed) should exist to YOUR liking? Closed-mindedness and hypocrisy at its finest. Please don't tell me you sincerely think that passing laws and regulations that infringe upon the free-speech of your fellow citizens is "good"? Granted I didn't read every single response to this point - maybe I missed the joke.

Just do what I did almost ten years ago... sell your TV...

... and I never bought another one...

... its amazing how free thinking one can become when the blaring media box is removed from the living environment...

If you haven't figured this out yet, the "media circus" is but one thing... the propaganda leg of the current government system...

Turn off the blaring boob tube and get a life....


Too bad more people won't take even little steps towards independent thought. I agree totally. Amazing that you came up with a solution that didn't involve infringing upon Constitutional rights.
Bait and switch a good start would be a take down of fox news the worst of the offenders, there is much more to the media story than Fox news. The myth of the liberal media is just another side note. My own opinion is that Fox is so hard right it makes the somewhat honest medias look left when in fact they are middle of the road.

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Sun 10/04/09 08:52 AM
"I may not agree with what you say

but I'll defend to the death my right to stop you from saying it"

-Voltaire

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Sun 10/04/09 09:01 AM
No irony at all in the fact that people want to ban and stifle the free speech that people are paying to receive is there.

No irony at all in the fact that a cable network that beats CNN, MSNBC, HL News combined must be banned because the free market has chosen a winner and whiners can't handle it.

Do you not feel a bit stupid doing corporate shilling for GE, Viacom, Disney and AOL Time Warner against News Corporation because they've failed in the marketplace?

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Sun 10/04/09 09:02 AM
Edited by AMPdog on Sun 10/04/09 09:09 AM
Yeah, I watched it.....O'Rielly telling people to shut up. Now that's what I call promoting free speech. laugh


That is free-speech. I can tell anyone to shut-up as well: shut up. It's maybe a pointless thing to say in reality, but not illegal.

What free-speech is not: regulating what people can say by the state or government because others have a difference of opinion. And if I had to pick between possibly being exposed to the opinions of O'Rielly or having what I can think/say being regulated across the board by the state... it doesn't take much independent thought to know what is a better option for me and for people that I know.

Deal with opinions (either by being open-minded and listening or by being opinionated in turn), or just ignore them - it's your personal decision, not the government's. Let's keep it that way?

Even if O'Reilly isn't your cup of tea, I can tell you what free-speech is absolutely not: passing a law to regulate what other people can say just because you might disagree with a possible different opinion. Sounds a lot like direct state-control of the media... But that's probably because that's exactly what some people, if given a majority, would impose upon other people. This thread is a good example of that.

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Sun 10/04/09 09:07 AM
Edited by AMPdog on Sun 10/04/09 09:08 AM
Bait and switch a good start would be a take down of fox news the worst of the offenders, there is much more to the media story than Fox news. The myth of the liberal media is just another side note. My own opinion is that Fox is so hard right it makes the somewhat honest medias look left when in fact they are middle of the road.


I'd still like you to address the hypocrisy of your statements and not dodge with more hypocritical comments about how you want to label certain networks as 'offenders' that don't agree with your opinion. What is your plan for the 'offenders'? 'Take them down' is rather vague.

Winx's photo
Sun 10/04/09 09:10 AM
Edited by Winx on Sun 10/04/09 09:22 AM
Yes, we have free speech. But...it's wrong to have misinformation as news. News should be facts. The news is teaching us about what is going on in the world. School textbooks should be facts. We can't put misinformation in school textbooks. The textbooks are teaching us about our world. It's the same thing. The news and the textbooks are both teaching us about our world and should not contain misinformation.






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Sun 10/04/09 09:23 AM
1984.
Every time there a revised, edited version of a history book is released, slight changes to history are made. Knowing many kids won't continue with further education after High School, the changes are relatively safe from scrutiny.

Just like voting for presidents. It's a safe bet to vote for the one MSN dismisses or downright hates.


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Sun 10/04/09 09:24 AM
Edited by AMPdog on Sun 10/04/09 09:36 AM

Yes, we have free speech. But...it's wrong to have misinformation as news. News should be facts. The news is teaching us about what is going on in the world. School textbooks should be facts. We can't put misinformation in school textbooks. The textbooks are teaching us about our world. It's the same thing.





Why can't people figure out the difference between news and op-ed opinions? These aren't new concepts. News papers have been doing this for longer than TV has existed.

Then again, calls to quite the thought of the 'opposition' by state control/law isn't a new concept either. Usually ends in violence as some people will fight for basic human rights... but it's not a new concept. Before opening that can of worms though, better ask yourself if you are in a majority on all your views, thoughts, actions. Because you'll be shooting yourself in the foot just as much as everyone else if you have any individuality to you.

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Sun 10/04/09 09:43 AM

Yes, we have free speech. But...it's wrong to have misinformation as news. News should be facts. The news is teaching us about what is going on in the world. School textbooks should be facts. We can't put misinformation in school textbooks. The textbooks are teaching us about our world. It's the same thing. The news and the textbooks are both teaching us about our world and should not contain misinformation.






Great post Winx. Do you remember how many people thought Saddam was linked to 911? Thank the media for that spin job

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Sun 10/04/09 09:43 AM
I think FOX has a pretty good news department. And they do delineate a difference between their news (with Shepherd Smith whom I do like) and their editorial dept (with O'Reilly and Hannity)

the only thing about FOX that bugs me is that for every issue they touch on they have to bring in a conservative commentator and a liberal commentator and let em argue the issue. and it always devolves into a bunch of yelling and trying to talk over each other (just like here I guess) When that happens I lose interest and change channels


I know it's hard to imagine for the leftists that FOX is the number one cable news channel. More people are with FOX than are against it so they must be doing something right

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Sun 10/04/09 09:46 AM
Edited by AMPdog on Sun 10/04/09 09:48 AM


Just thinking a bit more on this. Another way to 'bring down' any media is to stop watching or supporting it. When corporations lose viewers they lose consumers, they lose consumers, they lose clients, and shows get cut cause nobody wants that. It seems enough people enjoy those shows to keep them on the air, so if it seems like mindless dribble to you,,just dont watch it or (like I do when Im HOPING they are actually going to have a balanced story) change to a more ,,,fact based, news source.
In a normal society that would work. americans are so stupified they are ripe for propaganda. Were else but america can health care be treated as a for profit industry? Were else but america can positive change be vilified by the Ultra rich as communism? Daily I am stunned at the ignorance of the american people. In every measurable catagory we are failing and the one guy (Obama) who is trying to fix the mess of 8 years of Bush is getting slammed by the right wing and especialy Fox news the biggest cheerleader of the Bush years.


There may be a lot of politically ignorant Americans in your opinion. To me, you are one of them [not an attack, just a truthful personal opinion like yours]. I still can't believe there are so many people that have fascist views on here. What happened to the value of liberty and the acceptance of other views and opinions other than our own?

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Sun 10/04/09 09:47 AM

Yes, we have free speech. But...it's wrong to have misinformation as news. News should be facts. The news is teaching us about what is going on in the world. School textbooks should be facts. We can't put misinformation in school textbooks. The textbooks are teaching us about our world. It's the same thing. The news and the textbooks are both teaching us about our world and should not contain misinformation.








I agree with the sentiment of how things should be. Even our textbooks though, dont just put facts in them. History books are overrun with positive and negative spin about this group or that one. I think americans are addicted to spin because we perhaps dont want to do our own research or make up our own minds. Everything else in our culture is about instant gratification, now we have instant opinionation,,,

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Sun 10/04/09 09:49 AM

I think FOX has a pretty good news department. And they do delineate a difference between their news (with Shepherd Smith whom I do like) and their editorial dept (with O'Reilly and Hannity)

the only thing about FOX that bugs me is that for every issue they touch on they have to bring in a conservative commentator and a liberal commentator and let em argue the issue. and it always devolves into a bunch of yelling and trying to talk over each other (just like here I guess) When that happens I lose interest and change channels


I know it's hard to imagine for the leftists that FOX is the number one cable news channel. More people are with FOX than are against it so they must be doing something right
It doesnt say much for this country when viewers turn in to Fox news to see Geraldo jump out of an airplane. laugh

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Sun 10/04/09 09:49 AM
FOX News did a lot to bring down ACORN. They, unlike the so-called popular MSM, didn't let up or try to cover-up.

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Sun 10/04/09 09:50 AM



Just thinking a bit more on this. Another way to 'bring down' any media is to stop watching or supporting it. When corporations lose viewers they lose consumers, they lose consumers, they lose clients, and shows get cut cause nobody wants that. It seems enough people enjoy those shows to keep them on the air, so if it seems like mindless dribble to you,,just dont watch it or (like I do when Im HOPING they are actually going to have a balanced story) change to a more ,,,fact based, news source.
In a normal society that would work. americans are so stupified they are ripe for propaganda. Were else but america can health care be treated as a for profit industry? Were else but america can positive change be vilified by the Ultra rich as communism? Daily I am stunned at the ignorance of the american people. In every measurable catagory we are failing and the one guy (Obama) who is trying to fix the mess of 8 years of Bush is getting slammed by the right wing and especialy Fox news the biggest cheerleader of the Bush years.


There may be a lot of politically ignorant Americans in your opinion. To me, you are one of them [not an attack, just a truthful personal opinion like yours]. I still can't believe there are so many people that have fascist views on here. What happened to the value of liberty and the acceptance of other views and opinions other than our own?
Define fascist please laugh

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Sun 10/04/09 09:57 AM
Edited by AMPdog on Sun 10/04/09 10:01 AM




Just thinking a bit more on this. Another way to 'bring down' any media is to stop watching or supporting it. When corporations lose viewers they lose consumers, they lose consumers, they lose clients, and shows get cut cause nobody wants that. It seems enough people enjoy those shows to keep them on the air, so if it seems like mindless dribble to you,,just dont watch it or (like I do when Im HOPING they are actually going to have a balanced story) change to a more ,,,fact based, news source.
In a normal society that would work. americans are so stupified they are ripe for propaganda. Were else but america can health care be treated as a for profit industry? Were else but america can positive change be vilified by the Ultra rich as communism? Daily I am stunned at the ignorance of the american people. In every measurable catagory we are failing and the one guy (Obama) who is trying to fix the mess of 8 years of Bush is getting slammed by the right wing and especialy Fox news the biggest cheerleader of the Bush years.


There may be a lot of politically ignorant Americans in your opinion. To me, you are one of them [not an attack, just a truthful personal opinion like yours]. I still can't believe there are so many people that have fascist views on here. What happened to the value of liberty and the acceptance of other views and opinions other than our own?
Define fascist please laugh


Fascism - A social and political ideology with the primary guiding principle that the state or nation is the highest priority, rather than personal or individual freedoms.

I'd even still like you to respond to how enforcing your views through the power of the state isn't hypocritical instead of still dodging the direct question.

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Sun 10/04/09 10:01 AM





Just thinking a bit more on this. Another way to 'bring down' any media is to stop watching or supporting it. When corporations lose viewers they lose consumers, they lose consumers, they lose clients, and shows get cut cause nobody wants that. It seems enough people enjoy those shows to keep them on the air, so if it seems like mindless dribble to you,,just dont watch it or (like I do when Im HOPING they are actually going to have a balanced story) change to a more ,,,fact based, news source.
In a normal society that would work. americans are so stupified they are ripe for propaganda. Were else but america can health care be treated as a for profit industry? Were else but america can positive change be vilified by the Ultra rich as communism? Daily I am stunned at the ignorance of the american people. In every measurable catagory we are failing and the one guy (Obama) who is trying to fix the mess of 8 years of Bush is getting slammed by the right wing and especialy Fox news the biggest cheerleader of the Bush years.


There may be a lot of politically ignorant Americans in your opinion. To me, you are one of them [not an attack, just a truthful personal opinion like yours]. I still can't believe there are so many people that have fascist views on here. What happened to the value of liberty and the acceptance of other views and opinions other than our own?
Define fascist please laugh


Fascism - A social and political ideology with the primary guiding principle that the state or nation is the highest priority, rather than personal or individual freedoms.


So , community above individual? Kind of like how we look at war, a few die to save the many?....guess we can add fascist to the definition of our own government... I bet they dont have a term for a balanced government, that puts a priority on the nation because of the INDIVIDUALs who make it up...