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Militaries do not exist for social engineering

ok folks, I promised a couple different times now that I would repost my opinion on some of the more major changes I believe should be implemented, at least in partiality, as a whole. They all inter-relate so this may be a tad long. I do ask,if you are going to respond, please read all the way through, so that you can SEE how they all inter-relate and not go on with a bashing feast because you don't like one part.


The best place to start is with high school graduation / dropouts. It is my firm belief that when you graduate high school, you should have to make the very simple choice of continuing on with school through at least your associates degree, or going into the military (and yes this includes females as well).

I believe this should be a mandatory choice for many reasons. First, this will almost eliminate all the politicians from keeping their own children out of the military, thus they may well start thinking harder and longer before agreeing to action overseas. Second, it will help decrease the unemployment rate, and give everybody a chance to be a productive member of society, to the best of their extent. There are many more reasons as you will see upon reading further.

I believe also, that high school drop outs should be given one chance to return to high school and finish and go on, or be drafted into the military. Yes some drop outs continue on to start their own business, and are very succesfull., however most of them do not do this. They end up in dead end jobs (if they are lucky enough to find someone to hire them and keep them on), or on welfare; sometimes they end up doing both.

Now if you continue on with school instead of going into the military, you will need to keep a certain grade point average or you will end up in the military. Those of you who have read this far will see immediately the one flaw with this idea, which is the same flaw they had back in the 60's and 70's; Highly known persons will simply pay to have their children make the grade. All I can say to this is it comes downt o the schools making sure they police themselves, and keep the highest morals and standards among their staff.

Ok, now with that being said, we move on to what happens when you go into the military. If you note, I have so far referred to it as the military, and not the Army, or the Marines, Navy, Air Force or Coast Guard. This is because I don't feel we should have the "separate branches" per say. The separate specialties yes. We need every single specialty that each branch currently brings into service; but it should all be under one umbrella so to speak. One military, with one ranking system. There is no longer a reserves, or national guard either; or rather not as they are today.

Now, when you go in, it doesn't matter why you went in (unless you already have an associates degree, then you skip this first part), you are now in the "National Guard" part of the service. You do not train one weekend per month and one month out of the year any more. You now train every single weekend and two months, one in the summer and one in the winter, and during the week you go to school. yes that's right, you did not find a way out of continuing your education. You simply do it through the military now.

This continues for two years, during which time you actively train in your job specialty, and do not deploy under any circumstances, except inside your state in the case of a declared state emergency. Once you have finished these tow years of military service one of two things will happen; one, you will go active duty for two years, and after that you can choose to leave if you want. Or two, if your grades were high enough during the first two years, you have the choice to do two more years of schooling through the military, and thus get your bachelors degree. The only difference now is that during your third and forth year you are in what is currently known as the reserves. You still continue training every weekend and two months out of the year. BUT, if something truly horrendous happens overseas, you CAN be brought out of school long enough to respond to this threat; then you come back home and continue on with your education until you ahve your third and fourth years completed.

Once you have finished your bachelors you now get the same choice everyone else got after their associates, except you now have four years active duty to serve, instead of two (one year of active for each year of schooling you receive); And those select few whose grades are high enough will then be offered Officer Candidate school. You do four more years of service, completing your masters degree in your chosen field, along with all the rigorous training of officer school. Finally after you are done with this, you have 8 years of active service to perform, as an officer, before you can get out.

By doing all of this, you give every single person going into the military basic education through an associates degree, which if nothing else will help them figure out what they want to do in life. Those that continue on through the military schooling will of course get further education benefits. Also anybody who has served in the military can tell you there is nothing worse than an officer who has no field experience whatsoever; by using this process, every single officer will have field experience by the time they take command.



There are many other changes I want to see be enacted, but for now I will stop here, cause I am sure I have angered a lot of people (I can think of several right now lol), who will say it is not right to take a persons choice of going into the military away from them. However, the only thing I am going to say to that statement is nothing is being taken away, except the right to be a lazy, unproductive citizen who does nothing except live off the system. We live in the best country in the world (forgive me please, those of you who are in a different country but I AM a tad biased here lol), and we need to start growing up as a Nation, and acting like we are the best. We need to get all the criminals off our streets, and all the people who are in prison and shouldn't be, out of prison. We need to start providing for our family and friends, neighbors and elders; we need to be ABLE to provide for ourselves.

By enforcing people to make this decision, we will clean up our streets. We will get those who shouldn't be in prison, out of prison. And best of all we WILL be able to start providing for ourselves again.

If you, as a citizen, do not want to serve in the military, then simply continue on with your education for two more years, and then go out into the workforce prepared and ready to be a proud member of society.

Who is going to pay for this continued education, the military? So if these loser dropouts go in the military they can get their education, if not they don't. Simple enough..except not everyone wants to be in the military, just a minor detail. Where are you getting these stats that all these dropouts end up on welfare..I don't understand your thinking on this at all.

Are you a recruiter for the Army...??

As I have tried to say before and you so passionately refuse to listen, with this suggestion, you are not FORCED TO GO INTO THE MILITARY AGAINST YOUR WILL. You have a choice. The military is just one of those choices, and if you refuse to be a productive member of society then you need to leave the country. I do NOT believe in handouts for nothing, and I do not believe in letting people stand there and say "well its not right that I have to do this just because I didn't do this".
Life is all about choices. Make one.

The major problem I see in the posted suggestion is that school is not FREE, and as it stands, not very affordable either. For young people to be forced to put themselves in that debt is not beneficial to them or their future. The other assumption made here is because people go to school they will have jobs,,plenty of college educated folks on unemployment right now. Though I agree school and military are good options for young people, I dont think they should be forced to limit themselves to only two options.

Ok one question. If militaries do not exist for social engineering, what do you call it when one army goes in and completely invades, controls and replaces the existing government of another country, if not SOCIAL ENGINEERING?

As far as the school not being free, this would replace the current GI Bill that so many soldiers end up losing out on being able to use when they get out of service. No longer would they get a gi bill to use towards education, they get the education while they are in service.

Oh you are referring to colleges and universities, I'm sorry. I was just getting ready to head to bed lol when I saw people started responding finally. But to answer that issue, no they are not free and they are not cheap. Neither is education through the military. With civilian education, you have access to plenty of grants and scholarships and even student loans in order to go to college (assuming that your parents or family can not help). You earn these services by studying hard, and passing your classes in order to get a job and benefit the community afterwards. With the military avenue, you pay for your education with your service in the military. So no, in the end neither one is free, OR cheap.

As far as there being no jobs for graduates right now, if this were implemented, then there would be a lot more jobs available (using our current market) for the graduate, because so many people would be in the military. And the military is also a "job" so to speak, though I hate to term it as such.

As I have tried to say before and you so passionately refuse to listen, with this suggestion, you are not FORCED TO GO INTO THE MILITARY AGAINST YOUR WILL. You have a choice. The military is just one of those choices, and if you refuse to be a productive member of society then you need to leave the country. I do NOT believe in handouts for nothing, and I do not believe in letting people stand there and say "well its not right that I have to do this just because I didn't do this".
Life is all about choices. Make one.

As I have tried to say before and you so passionately refuse to listen, with this suggestion, you are not FORCED TO GO INTO THE MILITARY AGAINST YOUR WILL. You have a choice. The military is just one of those choices, and if you refuse to be a productive member of society then you need to leave the country. I do NOT believe in handouts for nothing, and I do not believe in letting people stand there and say "well its not right that I have to do this just because I didn't do this".
Life is all about choices. Make one.

As far as the school not being free, this would replace the current GI Bill that so many soldiers end up losing out on being able to use when they get out of service. No longer would they get a gi bill to use towards education, they get the education while they are in service.

Oh you are referring to colleges and universities, I'm sorry. I was just getting ready to head to bed lol when I saw people started responding finally. But to answer that issue, no they are not free and they are not cheap. Neither is education through the military. With civilian education, you have access to plenty of grants and scholarships and even student loans in order to go to college (assuming that your parents or family can not help). You earn these services by studying hard, and passing your classes in order to get a job and benefit the community afterwards. With the military avenue, you pay for your education with your service in the military. So no, in the end neither one is free, OR cheap.

As far as there being no jobs for graduates right now, if this were implemented, then there would be a lot more jobs available (using our current market) for the graduate, because so many people would be in the military. And the military is also a "job" so to speak, though I hate to term it as such.

So then wouldn't that pretty much make all citizen of the US slaves to the military and we do whatever they want without an option to our own life? screw that.

how do you figure you would be a slave to the military? You get out of highschool you go to college, get a degree and work as a productive citizen, instead of sitting on the side of the road begging for tax free money, if you do not like the idea of going into the military, or if you feel the military is not the right choice for you. You are not losing your choice to stay out of the military in any way whatsoever.

this is one of my biggest points that I can not emphasize enough. If you do not want one thing to happen, then choose the option that prevents it from happening. How hard is that to understand?