You have repeatedly said that you want people to be productive members of society and go to school or go into the military.

And as you said I have repeatedly stated I want people to be PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY. If there is another way to be productive, then by all means suggest it, I am all ears. keep in mind however, that I have already rephrased myself a couple responses back, to state that my issue is with the non-productive who don't want to be productive, and yet receive free cash and food etc from the state. Farming is an excellent example of being productive, and as most people know, a farmer tends to grow up as a farmer, not decide that's what they want to do and move out to the country to do it.

She wasn't going for an associate's degree. She said that she has completed three years towards a bachelor's degree.

Easy question, who chooses to be unemployed? who chooses to be homeless? for most people who today are unemployed or homeless it was not their choice.

As to the educational aspect - an education never hurt anyone, but for you or anyone to say that they must continue onto a certain degree is attained, is quite silly.

I know many people who have PHD's and work for others, and know many people who dropped out of high school and are self employed and/or owners of their own companies.

People have the right to chose what path they follow.

Had these changes been implemented for you, what changes would be apparent in your life? Where would you be vs where you are now?

It's no more rude than picking someones words apart, and rearranging them to mean something that they did not say.

Maybe you didn't see some of my later responses? please go back through the last couple hours of responses and I think you wills ee some clarification.

You got personal. There's a difference.

This country is about free will and having the freedom to choose what is best for you. What you say smacks of communism. Communist countries choose for their people what they do for a living, what they study in school, how many children they can have, what they're allowed to think and say etc. Frankly, if I have to live my life (or God forbid, my child has to live his life) by your criteria, I will most happily get the hell out, as would most people.

And who decides the definition of productive, you? By your definition, I am not productive. I never served in the military and neither will my son. I didn't finish my degree. Yet, I've been working and paying taxes since I was 15 (working without paying taxes since I was 11). I pay taxes, I vote, I'm a responsible person and a responsible parent. I've been a foster mom. I'm active socially and politically. Yet, by your standards, I am not productive? Really, just how insulting did you intend to be by this?

Really, Daniel, I expect better of you.

I am sorry to disagree with you winx, but rude is rude no matter if you get personal about it or not. And imo, she was very rude by trying to rearrange what I said to mean something else.
And I at least will admit to being rude, when I get rude, and most times I will apologize too, as I don't usually intend to get rude. However, when responding in written format, you have the time to go over what you read and write, make sure it is exactly what you meant it to be, or understood it to be and respond appropriately. So if you are willing to be rude by changing someones written words to make them sound different, then you can expect me to chastise you for it if it's my words your changing around.

sorry I'll pass - read what I found pertinent not going back hrs into this.

And again, I suggest that maybe one of the courses you did noy take due to choosing to stop schooling was an English class, because it is very obvious and plain that either you are not reading my responses, or you are not understanding them. And I have taken great pains to make my last several responses very simple and concise (to the point), so that they ARE easily understood.

So I ask again, please go back and read EVERYTHING that I have written, not just what you want to try and use to show you are right and I am wrong.

All I see here are people disagreeing with you and asking you questions about what you've said. Not being rude.

shhhh or he'll want you too to go back and read hours worths of posts instead of responding to question posed.

If you are referring to mine, I apologize, but I was half asleep and my keyboard needs to be replaced as half the letters on it stick unmercifully. An I counted four typos, when I went back and reread your quote.

asking questions is not rude. Changing words around, intentionally leaving out entire sections that already go against what you are trying to suggest, IS rude.

Are you saying my definition of many is wrong? off?

Thus you prove you are unwilling to be shown that you are wrong in your prior statements and beliefs, because you refuse to go back and verify what I told you existed.

Why do you think someone must have a college degree or must go into the military to be productive? There are many out there with jobs who don't have college degrees. Or haven't been in the military. Are they not productive because they haven't done those two things?

Geez, Daniel, take a pill or something, no need to get so irate. I was responding to your original post. I didn't bother reading many of the responses because your attitude, well, frankly, sucked, you were rude and obnoxious to those asking simple questions (as you just were to me). Yes, I don't doubt that there was "rudeness" on both sides, which is why I didn't bother reading the back and forth insults.

FYI, Daniel, I am highly educated, both formally and informally. I have been reading since I was 3, reading at college level since I was in the 5th grade, scored perfect scores on my SATs and ACT, scored out of freshman and sophomore level English classes when I was in college. So, therefore, I don't believe the problem is with me. Whether you choose to admit it or not, you are either not explaining your theories well or there are holes so big in them that you simply CAN'T defend them without going on the offensive. Either way, I see this is a communication problem at your end.

Do not EVER call me stupid again or even imply it.