Topic: Prolifers??
EtherealEmbers's photo
Thu 06/11/09 06:13 PM
I am a Christian and believe abortion is a sin. However... I know that people have the right to make their own decisions and live with the consequences of those decisions. I also believe that if you are going around condemning others for having the belief that they have the right to choose (however drastic it may seem), then you are doing the thing that Christ warned you about: Let he who is without guilt cast the first stone.

So maybe you shouldn't be wasting your time telling people how wrong or bad they are for doing such a thing. Who are you to judge, being an unwed mother with several children? I'm not getting personal, just stating facts.

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Thu 06/11/09 06:40 PM

I am a Christian and believe abortion is a sin. However... I know that people have the right to make their own decisions and live with the consequences of those decisions. I also believe that if you are going around condemning others for having the belief that they have the right to choose (however drastic it may seem), then you are doing the thing that Christ warned you about: Let he who is without guilt cast the first stone.

So maybe you shouldn't be wasting your time telling people how wrong or bad they are for doing such a thing. Who are you to judge, being an unwed mother with several children? I'm not getting personal, just stating facts.


If its me you are quoting on in "being an unwed mother with several children" maybe you need to re think that...This IS a dating site forum...how many Women out here have children? Probibly most....and if they are married, they shouldnt be out here .....at least on the dating part of it..Several children? I do have 3..yes..Thank you!
Was married 13 yrs...I cant control him leaving and cheating and being abusive,,,,so....I am thankful I AM an unwed Mother..I dont need that!
Secondly, Scripture doesnt use the word "guilt" in that reference, it says "sin" and yes, we "ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God"....
Sorry, but I am not condeming anyone, but sharing what it scriptural and true and what MY beliefs are...not putting anyone down, so please dont you...TY!!

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Thu 06/11/09 07:16 PM
At least in the Old Testament God wanted pretty much anyone who didnt live exactly by its laws to be stoned to death anyway. I know Christianity denounces many of these laws and punishments, but it is still the same God and you cant get away from that. Believing in God and being 100% pro-life is completely contradictory.


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Thu 06/11/09 07:37 PM

At least in the Old Testament God wanted pretty much anyone who didnt live exactly by its laws to be stoned to death anyway. I know Christianity denounces many of these laws and punishments, but it is still the same God and you cant get away from that. Believing in God and being 100% pro-life is completely contradictory.




I am 100% prolife when it comes to choosing to terminate a human pregnancy ...I grew up hunting and I grew up fishing and to this day I still fish and love it and I eat meat...so in that regard I guess then I am not pro life....

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Thu 06/11/09 07:41 PM


At least in the Old Testament God wanted pretty much anyone who didnt live exactly by its laws to be stoned to death anyway. I know Christianity denounces many of these laws and punishments, but it is still the same God and you cant get away from that. Believing in God and being 100% pro-life is completely contradictory.




I am 100% prolife when it comes to choosing to terminate a human pregnancy ...I grew up hunting and I grew up fishing and to this day I still fish and love it and I eat meat...so in that regard I guess then I am not pro life....


since this is in the religious forum (not sure why...it should be in current events)

read the following scriptures and then get back with me

John 8:7
Matthew 7:1
Matthew 10:14


the last one is one of my favorites

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Fri 06/12/09 02:51 AM
i keep seeing this as 'profilers' then get disappointed when i open it frown yawn

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Fri 06/12/09 05:43 AM


At least in the Old Testament God wanted pretty much anyone who didnt live exactly by its laws to be stoned to death anyway. I know Christianity denounces many of these laws and punishments, but it is still the same God and you cant get away from that. Believing in God and being 100% pro-life is completely contradictory.




I am 100% prolife when it comes to choosing to terminate a human pregnancy ...I grew up hunting and I grew up fishing and to this day I still fish and love it and I eat meat...so in that regard I guess then I am not pro life....


Hi OP and thanks for your honesty, but quick question, can you as a pro-lifer explain to me, how it is that only certain aspects or topics peak your interest and not others. Not being disrespectful in any way, I am truly curious. Why get involved when another person chooses what to do with their own bodies, yet you hunt, eat meat, etc. Why is what you do ok and not what someone else does???


sounds pretty hypocritical to me

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Fri 06/12/09 07:21 AM
Edited by smiless on Fri 06/12/09 07:30 AM
What I find interesting is that many claim to know what is best for other individuals without being in their shoes. I would say that abortion should be a decision the bearer should only make and no one else.

I also find it interesting (and this might be cold for most) is how being against abortion will help stabilize the world's population.

We are at the moment with 6.6 billion people. Only 100 years ago we had 1 billion people roaming the planet. It is said that in less then 40 years we will have 10 billion people. The number of children being born is at an alarming rate.

With exception of Europe and Russia every continent on the planet is increasing on population.

Now you are wondering what is the problem with that? There is alot to think about when asking that question. Here are a few - water supplies, agriculture, pollution, crime rate, etc. etc.

If such laws would be created to prevent abortion rights then the population would increase by alarming rates on most continents.

We hear how education is the key source in helping teenagers and adults alike understand the ramification let alone the responsiblity of having a child, yet in the United States there are over 200,000 teenagers per year (if not more) having children. This is nothing compared to places like India, South and Central America, and Africa.

I fear education on the subject will not be enough to prevent the alarming rates on world population growth. I fear laws have to be instilled, which include the rights that a woman who bears a child can choose to have a abortion or not. Perhaps to be even more radical is to do what China does. Restrict one child per family, except for minority classes as I last checked. Now here in the US many will disagree with that notion, yet what will it take to make sure that when a child is born he or she will have the proper education, a opportunity to exceed in life, and to have the ability to ensure a future not only for himself but for others in the long run.

Now the question is at what month should be the breakpoint of allowing a abortion. If the baby is in the womb for 2 - 6 months should the lady be allowed to do an abortion? Would it be called murder as many religions indicate it is?

At what month would it be plausible or should there be any rule at all?

As politicians disagree and agree on this tough subject across this planet, it seems that in the end we are at a stalemate and we shall continue to watch the world population grow rapidly exhausting many of the things we use to cherish.






ThomasJB's photo
Fri 06/12/09 08:12 AM

What I find interesting is that many claim to know what is best for other individuals without being in their shoes. I would say that abortion should be a decision the bearer should only make and no one else.

I also find it interesting (and this might be cold for most) is how being against abortion will help stabilize the world's population.

We are at the moment with 6.6 billion people. Only 100 years ago we had 1 billion people roaming the planet. It is said that in less then 40 years we will have 10 billion people. The number of children being born is at an alarming rate.

With exception of Europe and Russia every continent on the planet is increasing on population.

Now you are wondering what is the problem with that? There is alot to think about when asking that question. Here are a few - water supplies, agriculture, pollution, crime rate, etc. etc.

If such laws would be created to prevent abortion rights then the population would increase by alarming rates on most continents.

We hear how education is the key source in helping teenagers and adults alike understand the ramification let alone the responsiblity of having a child, yet in the United States there are over 200,000 teenagers per year (if not more) having children. This is nothing compared to places like India, South and Central America, and Africa.

I fear education on the subject will not be enough to prevent the alarming rates on world population growth. I fear laws have to be instilled, which include the rights that a woman who bears a child can choose to have a abortion or not. Perhaps to be even more radical is to do what China does. Restrict one child per family, except for minority classes as I last checked. Now here in the US many will disagree with that notion, yet what will it take to make sure that when a child is born he or she will have the proper education, a opportunity to exceed in life, and to have the ability to ensure a future not only for himself but for others in the long run.

Now the question is at what month should be the breakpoint of allowing a abortion. If the baby is in the womb for 2 - 6 months should the lady be allowed to do an abortion? Would it be called murder as many religions indicate it is?

At what month would it be plausible or should there be any rule at all?

As politicians disagree and agree on this tough subject across this planet, it seems that in the end we are at a stalemate and we shall continue to watch the world population grow rapidly exhausting many of the things we use to cherish.








I believe you will find most prolifers believe that life begins at conception and as such that since it is wrong to take the life of one who is outside the womb, that it is equally wrong do it to life still in the womb.
I find myself divided on the subject, I tend to believe more and more as the science of prenatal development improves that life begins shortly after conception. While I can see where one would think of abortion as matter of choice, I find it saddening that a life must end for that choice. Perhaps someday it will be possible to transfer an unwanted fetus to the mother that is willing to carry it.

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Fri 06/12/09 08:13 AM
I believe you will find most prolifers believe that life begins at conception

Really????? Then the morning after pill is an abortion??????

ThomasJB's photo
Fri 06/12/09 08:25 AM

I believe you will find most prolifers believe that life begins at conception

Really????? Then the morning after pill is an abortion??????


Some would say so.

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Fri 06/12/09 08:27 AM
HMMMMM....

Then birth control(not contraception) is, also, a form of abortion?????





I believe you will find most prolifers believe that life begins at conception

Really????? Then the morning after pill is an abortion??????


Some would say so.

ThomasJB's photo
Fri 06/12/09 08:35 AM

HMMMMM....

Then birth control(not contraception) is, also, a form of abortion?????





I believe you will find most prolifers believe that life begins at conception

Really????? Then the morning after pill is an abortion??????


Some would say so.



I don't think so since technically that would be preconception, but the Catholics may thinks differently.
To quote Monty Python:

DAD:
There are Jews in the world.
There are Buddhists.
There are Hindus and Mormons, and then
There are those that follow Mohammed, but
I've never been one of them.

I'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is:
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.

You don't have to be a six-footer.
You don't have to have a great brain.
You don't have to have any clothes on. You're
A Catholic the moment Dad came,

Because

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

GIRL:
Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is wanted.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

MUM:
Hindu, Taoist, Mormon,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.

MEN:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
WOMEN:
If a sperm is wasted,...
CHILDREN:
...God get quite irate.

PRIEST:
Every sperm is sacred.
BRIDE and GROOM:
Every sperm is good.
NANNIES:
Every sperm is needed...
CARDINALS:
...In your neighbourhood!

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is useful.
Every sperm is fine.
FUNERAL CORTEGE:
God needs everybody's.
MOURNER #1:
Mine!
MOURNER #2:
And mine!
CORPSE:
And mine!

NUN:
Let the Pagan spill theirs
O'er mountain, hill, and plain.
HOLY STATUES:
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain.

EVERYONE:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite iraaaaaate!

rofl
rofl
rofl

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Fri 06/12/09 08:39 AM
IUD's are "not" pre-conception.....not all birth control is "conception control.....

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Fri 06/12/09 08:46 AM
this issue isn't just about religions. there are atheists and agnostics that are pro-life as well as religions that are pro-choice

until someone is in the situation...they can't honestly say what they would do


ThomasJB's photo
Fri 06/12/09 08:47 AM

IUD's are "not" pre-conception.....not all birth control is "conception control.....


I fail to see how IUDs are not pre-conception.

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Fri 06/12/09 09:06 AM


IUD's are "not" pre-conception.....not all birth control is "conception control.....


I fail to see how IUDs are not pre-conception.


I agree, their only purpose is to prevent pregnancy.

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Fri 06/12/09 09:10 AM
inter-uterine devices irritate the placenta ...so that a fertilized egg can not successfully embed .....therefore, it is birth control not a contraceptive.....



IUD's are "not" pre-conception.....not all birth control is "conception control.....


I fail to see how IUDs are not pre-conception.

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Fri 06/12/09 10:06 AM
Ive been pro life forever, but after losing 2 babies, sometimes I have thought, maybe sometimes, we shouldnt make it happen. I have a perfect 10 year old son, that I wouldnt trade for anything, but I for sure have questioned my beliefs over time.

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Fri 06/12/09 10:09 AM
sorry for your loss :cry: :cry:

Questioning our beliefs is healthy....to examine opposing viewpoints is to reinforce your beliefs or to shed light on other possibilities...



Ive been pro life forever, but after losing 2 babies, sometimes I have thought, maybe sometimes, we shouldnt make it happen. I have a perfect 10 year old son, that I wouldnt trade for anything, but I for sure have questioned my beliefs over time.