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I'll say again. if someone is pro-life then that is a choice for YOU...not for others. until you are in a position, you don't know how you would react. if someone is pro-choice...then that is a choice for THEM. when it comes to right vs wrong...I'll pick " right "... well...when you get pregnant (especially from a rape or incest) then get back to me 
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"Right" is subjective anyway.
"Right" for you and "right" for me can be two completely different things. For instance, I may choose a way of life that is not right for you but it would not make me wrong. For example if I would be a stripper for my income, if you are religious, that would be wrong but it would not be wrong in the sense that I am hurting anyone nor illegal. I could be completely right with that choice. It may fit my life, it may work for me at all levels and if my religious beliefs did not conflict there would be no harm no foul. It would not be right for others to pass judgement on me based on their personal beliefs. In this case right for one person is not right for the other person. I used this as example because my brain is on hiatus today and I could not think of any better examples but I think it works. |
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the "morning-after pill" works similar to the birth control pill, since it is, in essence, the same thing. the pill can work by A) preventing ovulation. this is actually how it most often works. however, if the body DOES ovulate, it also works by B) thickening the mucous, making it more difficult for the sperm to make it to the egg. if THAT doesn't work...well, there's C) the fact that it ALSO changes the lining of the uterus, making it more difficult for the fertilized egg to attach. it's C that is most in issue. it's also C that's most likely to be what is in effect for the "morning-after pill", as it may be too late to stop ovulation...but not necessarily too late to stop fertilization. i myself will NOT use any form of birth control that prevents implantation of a fertilized ovum. I don't think anyone has given you credit for being 100% pro-life. but you even say that it's for you. you haven't pushed your views on others..... thank you 
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the problem is IMO...is people think what's right for them has to be right for everyone....not so. everyone can chose what is right for them...but don't force it on others....whether it's this issue, politics, religion, parenting, lifestyles, etc
(coming off my soap box now lol) |
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Edited by
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I'll say again. if someone is pro-life then that is a choice for YOU...not for others. until you are in a position, you don't know how you would react. if someone is pro-choice...then that is a choice for THEM. when it comes to right vs wrong...I'll pick " right "... well...when you get pregnant (especially from a rape or incest) then get back to me 98% of abortions are done for selfish reasons...rape and incest are " exceptions "...like my father always says...you can't get pregnant...if you don't drop your drawers... 
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"Right" is subjective anyway. "Right" for you and "right" for me can be two completely different things. For instance, I may choose a way of life that is not right for you but it would not make me wrong. For example if I would be a stripper for my income, if you are religious, that would be wrong but it would not be wrong in the sense that I am hurting anyone nor illegal. I could be completely right with that choice. It may fit my life, it may work for me at all levels and if my religious beliefs did not conflict there would be no harm no foul. It would not be right for others to pass judgement on me based on their personal beliefs. In this case right for one person is not right for the other person. I used this as example because my brain is on hiatus today and I could not think of any better examples but I think it works. no matter how you try to spin it...abortion is wrong... signed: just a good Catholic Italian boy... 
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I'll say again. if someone is pro-life then that is a choice for YOU...not for others. until you are in a position, you don't know how you would react. if someone is pro-choice...then that is a choice for THEM. when it comes to right vs wrong...I'll pick " right "... well...when you get pregnant (especially from a rape or incest) then get back to me 98% of abortions are done for selfish reasons...rape and incest are " exceptions "...like my father always says...you can't get pregnant...if you don't drop your drawers... you assume a lot. and your dad hasn't been prgnant either. even if...let's say....a girl gets pregnant then the guy disappears. she is scared who are you to tell anyone they are wrong when you can't POSSIBLY EVER be in position |
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Edited by
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I'll say again. if someone is pro-life then that is a choice for YOU...not for others. until you are in a position, you don't know how you would react. if someone is pro-choice...then that is a choice for THEM. when it comes to right vs wrong...I'll pick " right "... well...when you get pregnant (especially from a rape or incest) then get back to me 98% of abortions are done for selfish reasons...rape and incest are " exceptions "...like my father always says...you can't get pregnant...if you don't drop your drawers... you assume a lot. and your dad hasn't been prgnant either. even if...let's say....a girl gets pregnant then the guy disappears. she is scared who are you to tell anyone they are wrong when you can't POSSIBLY EVER be in position I'm NOT telling them what they can and cannot do...I'm just stating an opinion on the subject...and...it's wrong !!!!!...
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Gio...I'm glad you said it's only your opinion. trust me...i've been there and know different scenarios. until you are in that place...it's not as black and white
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I'll say again. if someone is pro-life then that is a choice for YOU...not for others. until you are in a position, you don't know how you would react. if someone is pro-choice...then that is a choice for THEM. when it comes to right vs wrong...I'll pick " right "... well...when you get pregnant (especially from a rape or incest) then get back to me 98% of abortions are done for selfish reasons...rape and incest are " exceptions "...like my father always says...you can't get pregnant...if you don't drop your drawers... Where does that 98% number come from, and what does it concider as selfish? I don't see it as being anything realistic knowing what I've heard women go though when dealing with an abortion I can't imagine much of anything selfish about it for about 98% of them... Maybe 2% I believe are unfeeling enough to be ABLE to do it for selfish reason. |
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I'll say again. if someone is pro-life then that is a choice for YOU...not for others. until you are in a position, you don't know how you would react. if someone is pro-choice...then that is a choice for THEM. when it comes to right vs wrong...I'll pick " right "... well...when you get pregnant (especially from a rape or incest) then get back to me 98% of abortions are done for selfish reasons...rape and incest are " exceptions "...like my father always says...you can't get pregnant...if you don't drop your drawers... No woman can get pregnant if he kept it in his pants so maybe we need to sterilize men so there will be less abortions then? HMMMMMM? |
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"Right" is subjective anyway. "Right" for you and "right" for me can be two completely different things. For instance, I may choose a way of life that is not right for you but it would not make me wrong. For example if I would be a stripper for my income, if you are religious, that would be wrong but it would not be wrong in the sense that I am hurting anyone nor illegal. I could be completely right with that choice. It may fit my life, it may work for me at all levels and if my religious beliefs did not conflict there would be no harm no foul. It would not be right for others to pass judgement on me based on their personal beliefs. In this case right for one person is not right for the other person. I used this as example because my brain is on hiatus today and I could not think of any better examples but I think it works. no matter how you try to spin it...abortion is wrong... signed: just a good Catholic Italian boy... It is not wrong, it is a choice that a woman may make in a hard situation. That doesn't make it wrong, just a choice. |
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I'll say again. if someone is pro-life then that is a choice for YOU...not for others. until you are in a position, you don't know how you would react. if someone is pro-choice...then that is a choice for THEM. when it comes to right vs wrong...I'll pick " right "... well...when you get pregnant (especially from a rape or incest) then get back to me 98% of abortions are done for selfish reasons...rape and incest are " exceptions "...like my father always says...you can't get pregnant...if you don't drop your drawers... No woman can get pregnant if he kept it in his pants so maybe we need to sterilize men so there will be less abortions then? HMMMMMM? Funny how so many seem to want to put all the responsibility on the woman for having sex. She had to have a willing partner yet they say it's her fault. Can't say agree with the sterilization part  but definitely got to agree with you on principle .
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I'll say again. if someone is pro-life then that is a choice for YOU...not for others. until you are in a position, you don't know how you would react. if someone is pro-choice...then that is a choice for THEM. when it comes to right vs wrong...I'll pick " right "... well...when you get pregnant (especially from a rape or incest) then get back to me 98% of abortions are done for selfish reasons...rape and incest are " exceptions "...like my father always says...you can't get pregnant...if you don't drop your drawers... No woman can get pregnant if he kept it in his pants so maybe we need to sterilize men so there will be less abortions then? HMMMMMM? Funny how so many seem to want to put all the responsibility on the woman for having sex. She had to have a willing partner yet they say it's her fault. Can't say agree with the sterilization part but definitely got to agree with you on principle . Thank you for understanding the point. Women have shouldered all the responsibility of sex for all the ages and it is not fair. It takes two. |
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Thank you for understanding the point. Women have shouldered all the responsibility of sex for all the ages and it is not fair. It takes two. You are welcome. I think it totally unfair as well. And then I hear guys complain because women hold the cards when it comes to deciding when sex will happen. Well damn a thousand years of shouldering the responsibilities gives you the right IMO. |
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the "morning-after pill" works similar to the birth control pill, since it is, in essence, the same thing. the pill can work by A) preventing ovulation. this is actually how it most often works. however, if the body DOES ovulate, it also works by B) thickening the mucous, making it more difficult for the sperm to make it to the egg. if THAT doesn't work...well, there's C) the fact that it ALSO changes the lining of the uterus, making it more difficult for the fertilized egg to attach. it's C that is most in issue. it's also C that's most likely to be what is in effect for the "morning-after pill", as it may be too late to stop ovulation...but not necessarily too late to stop fertilization. i myself will NOT use any form of birth control that prevents implantation of a fertilized ovum. I don't think anyone has given you credit for being 100% pro-life. but you even say that it's for you. you haven't pushed your views on others..... thank you i learned early on that the only person i can control is myself. also, as a moderator on this site...i try hard not to get involved on a personal level in any of the threads...to be able moderate based on facts and not on emotions. i can say that i've been in those hard decisions...and that i've always stayed true to my beliefs. i just find that on a public website and not face-to-face...there wouldn't be any convincing anyhow. |
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Thank you for understanding the point. Women have shouldered all the responsibility of sex for all the ages and it is not fair. It takes two. You are welcome. I think it totally unfair as well. And then I hear guys complain because women hold the cards when it comes to deciding when sex will happen. Well damn a thousand years of shouldering the responsibilities gives you the right IMO. Women wouldn't hold the cards so much if men actually learned that no is an ok response from them about sex too....lol |
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Thank you for understanding the point. Women have shouldered all the responsibility of sex for all the ages and it is not fair. It takes two. You are welcome. I think it totally unfair as well. And then I hear guys complain because women hold the cards when it comes to deciding when sex will happen. Well damn a thousand years of shouldering the responsibilities gives you the right IMO. Women wouldn't hold the cards so much if men actually learned that no is an ok response from them about sex too....lol Absolutely true but you'd be surprised at how offended some women can be at a guy saying no. I have done it and it is not always taken well at all . And yes I have done my best to be polite about it.
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Thank you for understanding the point. Women have shouldered all the responsibility of sex for all the ages and it is not fair. It takes two. You are welcome. I think it totally unfair as well. And then I hear guys complain because women hold the cards when it comes to deciding when sex will happen. Well damn a thousand years of shouldering the responsibilities gives you the right IMO. Women wouldn't hold the cards so much if men actually learned that no is an ok response from them about sex too....lol Absolutely true but you'd be surprised at how offended some women can be at a guy saying no. I have done it and it is not always taken well at all . And yes I have done my best to be polite about it. Women aren't used to rejection like men are....lol But we need to suck it up just like guys do. If a man thinks about sex with a women as a potential to create a life and decides it is not for him, or whatever reason he has, she needs to accept his choice, just like he should accept hers. I have had a man say no and it is confusing to hear. His reasoning was that he felt our relationship was not ready for that move. Understandable. Yet it threw me...lol |
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Anyone else out here 100% prolife? Regardless the reasons of the pregnancy............. I am 100% prolife! So you don't eat meat, believe in wars, nor believe in the death penalty, just to name a few prolife philosophies? I do eat meat. But I don't believe in war, the death penalty, abortion, etc. I don't believe in hunting simply to hunt. I believe if you hunt an animal, it should be for food, clothing, etc. I wasn't thinking about animals, insects, and other creatures when I typed that, I was thinking only of human life. Good for you, at least you hold most of your integrity on this view. I guess a better way to say it would be I'm completely prolife when it comes to people, but selective life when it comes to other forms of physical life,animals, plant life, bacterial life, etc. |
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