wraithme66...i do understand what you are saying. but like I said...until someone is in that person's shoes...it's not as easy to decide. who knows the family life the girl had or has...who knows her mind???

it's just not as black and white...there are soooooooooo many factors. and it's not an easy procedure anyway. it's physically, mentally and emotionally painful.

this is why I'm pro-choice...because i won't sit in judgement of someone especially if I don't know all of the factors involved.

I do think it's best if they offered counseling before and after. not only to help them with whatever they decide...but maybe teach them to be more responsibile...or get them help with a crisis center

oh...and let me add in the hormone changes in a pregnant women...that along with whatever situation they are in, they may see it as the only choice even after looking into all of the options

ok....i need to go to bed.

again...i respect everyone's rights to their beliefs...but please know there are soooooo many differnet people out there and beliefs one way or another shouldn't be forced on any one...JMO

I wish everyone could be guaranteed to have a life worth living and not a life full of deprivement and suffering.

I'm pro-life and pro-choice.

nope!

Nice answer

I'm not ashamed to say I had an abortion, 10 years ago (almost exactly). While my reasons are my own, I will say that if I hadn't, the baby would almost certainly have died or had a very short, painful life and there was a great chance that my life would also have been jeopardized, leaving my then 4 year old son without a mother. I had to make a choice between my living child and an off-chance that my unborn child and myself would have survived. It was absolutely the most horrendous choice I've ever made or ever could make. It is a choice I question every single, solitary day and I mourn that unborn child every day and always will. It is not a decision I wish on any woman, for any reason. Because you will live with your choice, whether you choose abortion or adoption, for the rest of your life.

That being said, I'm eternally grateful that I did have a choice. If I did not have one, I would almost certainly not be here to write this. My living child, well, I can't even imagine what his life would be without me.

I am not denigrating anyone's right to their views and perspective on this. Everyone has to make the decision that is right within their own soul. But, I do believe that people who are pro-life need to understand that abortion is not as black and white as it appears. If it were, it would be so much easier for everyone, it probably wouldn't ever be a debate at all. There are millions of shades of gray. Not that you should change your own views but maybe it wouldn't hurt to open your perspective a little. That it is the right choice for you but it's not as easy for someone else. All I ask is that all of us look on this issue with far more compassion, understanding and empathy than has been done in the past. If we can ALL do that, maybe there will come a day when we don't have to fight about this and hate about this anymore.

When I eat a carrot. I kill it!

Is a miscarriage killing a child?

You do realize that just because someone is pro choice that it doesn't mean they're going to have an abortion, right?

Very true.

Exceptionally true. I know I would never have done so, except for the very specific reasons above. I always said I would never, but you know what, never happened anyway

I'm sorry that you had to go through that.

NO

The raped 11 year old girl deserves to get the choice to not have the baby without any 100% prolifers labelling her as a murderer.

Some things you cannot be 100% about if you want to be a reasonable human being.

If you are going to fight for the children of the world, fight for all the children of the world, not just the ones you want.

War is never good, but why are you not fighting for those losing their lives protecting our very own?

Not sure where you stand on the death penalty, isn't murder just that murder?

Aren't pro-lifers saying that abortion is murder, then how can you justify the death penalty, our children fighting wars, why not get involved there as well??? just asking

I will say again....don't assume you would know what you would do until you are in someone elses shoes. Most of the people that say they will do something, have never been in that situation (some have) even those that have react differently and handle things differently.

((((SUZ)))

Great example Dragoness.

Pro life is a propaganda statement from the far right that has gone terrible wrong.

Originally it was constructed so that if anyone where to argue against that platform would be what? . . . conn life . .. LOL exactly.

If taken in ANY kind of literal interpretation, it falls short for 99% of the "pro life" movement.

It becomes pro the life I feel like protecting for anyone who condones killing anything living under ANY circumstances . . . .


I AM pro life in a literal non political way.

-I am a pacifist, who would not kill you for any reason, even if you where trying to kill me, my intent would be to stop you, not kill you.

-I am a Vegan. I do not condone killing so that I can eat what I want to . . . dont get me wrong I LOVE steak . . . just not the source of pain misery and death required to achieve that enjoyment.

- I am also pro choice. Politics are powerful stuff, just give the government the right to tell you what you can and cannot do inside of your own body and see what unfurls over time . . . dreadful thought.

Is there anybody who thinks that abortion is a good thing? Not the right to an abortion, but an abortion itself? Good, we all agree.

Prolifers. Your goal is zero abortions, right?

Pro-choicers. You wouldn't be upset if there were zero abortions, would you?

So if abortions clinics were open and legal and nobody showed up, everyone would be happy, right?

Now suppose prolifers are successful at making all abortions illegal. Do you think there will still be abortions? Why yes, of course. Illegal ones. And trips to Canada and Mexico. So while prolifers have then succeeded at making abortion illegal, they have not succeeded at their stated goal of reducing abortions to zero. Far from it.

So what is left to do? The hard work of changing society's attitudes and practices. So that women(and girls) never get pregnant when they don't want to. So that abortion is not considered an acceptable alternative except in the rarest cases. That there will be help with your unwanted pregnancy.

All this takes time. And precious time has already been lost. Squabbling over Roe vs. Wade and various other laws at the state level. If both sides agree that zero abortions is the goal to shoot for, then why are we fighting and not getting to work?

an abortion is NOT an easy procedure. as I have said before...it is painful physically, emotionally and mentally. But until someone walks in someones shoes....they have no right to claim what should be done

as Bushidobillyclub stated he was vegan...I am not. should I push my views on him or should he push his views on me??? no.

people can't understand what someone is going through o has gone through unless they are in their minds and can read their thoughts and feelings.

It has to be a first for me. That is great.