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Like I said if it isn't Gods or Jesus word it can be left up to interpretation.The bible wasn't written till some 20 years after Jesus death so it is probably fair to say that their stories may differ slightly from book to book.Also the language they spoke back then was very complicated and hard to translate.It is this reason why you have so many different versions(such as the king james)of what was said in the bible. So whilst you agree that all of the bible was written by man, you are also saying the parts that man wrote that were SUPPOSEDLY words from Jesus or God are all undoubtedly true and cannot be interpreted? |
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 1. Polygynous Marriage Probably the most common form of marriage in the bible, it is where a man has more than one wife. 2. Levirate Marriage When a woman was widowed without a son, it became the responsibility of the brother-in-law or a close male relative to take her in and impregnate her. If the resulting child was a son, he would be considered the heir of her late husband. See Ruth, and the story of Onan (Gen. 38:6-10). 3. A man, a woman and her property — a female slave The famous “handmaiden” sketch, as preformed by Abraham (Gen. 16:1-6) and Jacob (Gen. 30:4-5). 4. A man, one or more wives, and some concubines The definition of a concubine varies from culture to culture, but they tended to be live-in mistresses. Concubines were tied to their “husband,” but had a lower status than a wife. Their children were not usually heirs, so they were safe outlets for sex without risking the line of succession. To see how badly a concubine could be treated, see the famous story of the Levite and his concubine (Judges 19:1-30). 5. A male soldier and a female prisoner of war Women could be taken as booty from a successful campaign and forced to become wives or concubines. Deuteronomy 21:11-14 describes the process. 6. A male rapist and his victim Deuteronomy 22:28-29 describes how an unmarried woman who had been raped must marry her attacker. 7. A male and female slave A female slave could be married to a male slave without consent, presumably to produce more slaves. and of course … 8. Monogamous, heterosexual marriage What you might think of as the standard form of marriage, provided you think of arranged marriages as the standard. Also remember that inter-faith or cross-ethnic marriage were forbidden for large chunks of biblical history. http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/29/the-varieties-of-biblical-marriage/ I love to debate posts from Anti Christian websites because they come out looking so stupid it's laughable.I could also care less about proving anything to the atheist who frequently try to unsuccessfully pick and choose a verse and base the entire Christian religion off of that verse.If you are wondering why Christians are not replying to this topic is because as usual it is nothing more than slander.If you cared about debating you would post what the majority of Christians practiced instead of what one in a million practiced in the stone age times. Before I start this debate there is something you need to understand.In the bible you have verses quoting God and Jesus.If the bible is not quoting God and Jesus then it is simply the writings of one holy man.This is not to say that anything they write is just their opinion,but if I was going to study the bible and make assumptions on Gods rules and laws,I would say anything that God and Jesus said is absolute and with out question.Any laws,rules,or theories from the holy men who wrote the bible can be questioned against the word of God and may even be corrected. Another thing you fail to understand is that Christians both in the early times and the present do not take everything the bible says literally.It would be absurd to try to live your life like the people did thousands of years ago.Present day Christians do not live in mud houses,travel hundreds of miles by foot,make animal sacrifices,stone women,and many other hundreds of traditions and rules that they lived by in that time.With that said.Your posts on marriage are nonsense because no Christians in the world follow those rules.It is not to say they are wrong but they certainly were not the world of God nor were they a commandment.Also you said that polygamy was the most common form of biblical marriage???Completely false and inaccurate.One man and one woman was,is,and always will be the sacred and followed form of Christian marriage. In the Old Testament, the Bible says: Leviticus chapter 18 (GWT) 1 The LORD spoke to Moses, 2 "Tell the Israelites: I am the LORD your God. 4 Follow my rules, and live by my standards. I am the LORD your God. 5 Live by my standards, and obey my rules. You will have life through them. I am the LORD. 6 "never have sexual intercourse with anyone related to you by blood. I am the LORD. 7 "Never have sexual intercourse with your mother. She is your own mother. Never have sexual intercourse with her. 8 "Never have sexual intercourse with your stepmother. She is related to you through your father. 9 "Never have sexual intercourse with your stepsister, whether she is your father's daughter or your mother's daughter. It makes no difference whether or not she was born in your house. 10 "Never have sexual intercourse with your granddaughter, whether she is your son's daughter or your daughter's daughter, because she is related to you. 11 "Never have sexual intercourse with a daughter of your father and his wife. She is your own sister. 12 "Never have sexual intercourse with your father's sister. She is your paternal aunt. 13 "Never have sexual intercourse with your mother's sister. She is your maternal aunt. 14 "Never have sexual intercourse with the wife of your father's brother. She, too, is your aunt. 15 "Never have sexual intercourse with your daughter-in-law. She is your son's wife. Never have sexual intercourse with her. 16 "Never have sexual intercourse with your sister-in-law. She is your brother's wife. 17 "Never have sexual intercourse with a woman and her daughter or a woman and her granddaughter. They are related. Doing this is perverted. 18 "While your wife is living, never marry her sister as a rival wife and have sexual intercourse with her. 20 "Never have sexual intercourse with your neighbor's wife and become unclean with her. 22 "Never have sexual intercourse with a man as with a woman. It is disgusting. 23 "Never have sexual intercourse with any animal and become unclean with it. A woman must never offer herself to an animal for sexual intercourse. It is unnatural. " In Matthew's Gospel in the New Testament, the Bible says: Matthew chapter 19 (TEV) 7 The Pharisees asked him, "Why, then, did Moses give the law for a man to hand his wife a divorce notice and send her away?" 8 Jesus answered, "Moses gave you permission to divorce your wives because you are so hard to teach. But it was not like that at the time of creation. 9 I tell you, then, that any man who divorces his wife for any cause other than her unfaithfulness, commits adultery if he marries some other woman." The Old Testament prophet Malachi prophesied: Malachi chapter 2 (NLT) 16 "I hate divorce!" says the LORD, the God of Israel. "It is as cruel as putting on a victim's bloodstained coat," says the LORD Almighty. "So guard yourself; always remain loyal to your wife." Considering the contradictory messages in the bible, it surprises me not to see both of these posts together here. The bible is not consistant from one chapter to another. Like I said if it isn't Gods or Jesus word it can be left up to interpretation.The bible wasn't written till some 20 years after Jesus death so it is probably fair to say that their stories may differ slightly from book to book.Also the language they spoke back then was very complicated and hard to translate.It is this reason why you have so many different versions(such as the king james)of what was said in the bible. That is not what I am referring to. If you read the bible at face value without the reverence that it is a word from a god, it makes almost no sense. Yes it would make sense if we lived in that time.The bible was written using laws and rules that the people followed in that time.When people fought wars back in those times it was common practice to kill every last soldier until there was no one left standing.If you were in that village where those dead soldiers came from you had hundreds of newly single women with no men to protect them.It was common and acceptable that the soldiers would just pick who he wanted for a wife.It would be almost insulting for the soldiers to pack up and leave and not to take these women as it would be similar to reverse banishment.They would be left to the mercy of perverts,thieves,murders,and others who knew that there was no men left to protect them and often ended up raped and dead.Their towns would be looted or burned or taken over. As I said before the posts about marriage were written for extreme cases of doubt and were not written to be used for normal practice.God has always wanted marriage to be one man and one woman who love each other.God or Jesus never spoke about any of the other marriages mentioned in this post. |
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Like I said if it isn't Gods or Jesus word it can be left up to interpretation.The bible wasn't written till some 20 years after Jesus death so it is probably fair to say that their stories may differ slightly from book to book.Also the language they spoke back then was very complicated and hard to translate.It is this reason why you have so many different versions(such as the king james)of what was said in the bible. So whilst you agree that all of the bible was written by man, you are also saying the parts that man wrote that were SUPPOSEDLY words from Jesus or God are all undoubtedly true and cannot be interpreted? Yes the words of God and Jesus are absolute and should never be questioned.Those words were not supposedly written.They were spoken and proof that they were spoken are simple.You have the same words written in different books despite the fact these men were seperated by large distances and had no communication with each other.Is not the dead sea scrolls enough evidence that who ever wrote that scroll buried it so secretly nobody ever found it until after the bible was written nearly two thousand years earlier?Yet the dead sea scrolls line up perfectly with what the bible says. Also so what if the bible was written by man?It still doesn't change the fact that what happened happened and what God and Jesus said is what they said.I could have cared less if a 4 year old child wrote it. |
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1. Polygynous Marriage Probably the most common form of marriage in the bible, it is where a man has more than one wife. 2. Levirate Marriage When a woman was widowed without a son, it became the responsibility of the brother-in-law or a close male relative to take her in and impregnate her. If the resulting child was a son, he would be considered the heir of her late husband. See Ruth, and the story of Onan (Gen. 38:6-10). 3. A man, a woman and her property — a female slave The famous “handmaiden” sketch, as preformed by Abraham (Gen. 16:1-6) and Jacob (Gen. 30:4-5). 4. A man, one or more wives, and some concubines The definition of a concubine varies from culture to culture, but they tended to be live-in mistresses. Concubines were tied to their “husband,” but had a lower status than a wife. Their children were not usually heirs, so they were safe outlets for sex without risking the line of succession. To see how badly a concubine could be treated, see the famous story of the Levite and his concubine (Judges 19:1-30). 5. A male soldier and a female prisoner of war Women could be taken as booty from a successful campaign and forced to become wives or concubines. Deuteronomy 21:11-14 describes the process. 6. A male rapist and his victim Deuteronomy 22:28-29 describes how an unmarried woman who had been raped must marry her attacker. 7. A male and female slave A female slave could be married to a male slave without consent, presumably to produce more slaves. and of course … 8. Monogamous, heterosexual marriage What you might think of as the standard form of marriage, provided you think of arranged marriages as the standard. Also remember that inter-faith or cross-ethnic marriage were forbidden for large chunks of biblical history. http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/04/29/the-varieties-of-biblical-marriage/ I love to debate posts from Anti Christian websites because they come out looking so stupid it's laughable.I could also care less about proving anything to the atheist who frequently try to unsuccessfully pick and choose a verse and base the entire Christian religion off of that verse.If you are wondering why Christians are not replying to this topic is because as usual it is nothing more than slander.If you cared about debating you would post what the majority of Christians practiced instead of what one in a million practiced in the stone age times. Before I start this debate there is something you need to understand.In the bible you have verses quoting God and Jesus.If the bible is not quoting God and Jesus then it is simply the writings of one holy man.This is not to say that anything they write is just their opinion,but if I was going to study the bible and make assumptions on Gods rules and laws,I would say anything that God and Jesus said is absolute and with out question.Any laws,rules,or theories from the holy men who wrote the bible can be questioned against the word of God and may even be corrected. Another thing you fail to understand is that Christians both in the early times and the present do not take everything the bible says literally.It would be absurd to try to live your life like the people did thousands of years ago.Present day Christians do not live in mud houses,travel hundreds of miles by foot,make animal sacrifices,stone women,and many other hundreds of traditions and rules that they lived by in that time.With that said.Your posts on marriage are nonsense because no Christians in the world follow those rules.It is not to say they are wrong but they certainly were not the world of God nor were they a commandment.Also you said that polygamy was the most common form of biblical marriage???Completely false and inaccurate.One man and one woman was,is,and always will be the sacred and followed form of Christian marriage. In the Old Testament, the Bible says: Leviticus chapter 18 (GWT) 1 The LORD spoke to Moses, 2 "Tell the Israelites: I am the LORD your God. 4 Follow my rules, and live by my standards. I am the LORD your God. 5 Live by my standards, and obey my rules. You will have life through them. I am the LORD. 6 "never have sexual intercourse with anyone related to you by blood. I am the LORD. 7 "Never have sexual intercourse with your mother. She is your own mother. Never have sexual intercourse with her. 8 "Never have sexual intercourse with your stepmother. She is related to you through your father. 9 "Never have sexual intercourse with your stepsister, whether she is your father's daughter or your mother's daughter. It makes no difference whether or not she was born in your house. 10 "Never have sexual intercourse with your granddaughter, whether she is your son's daughter or your daughter's daughter, because she is related to you. 11 "Never have sexual intercourse with a daughter of your father and his wife. She is your own sister. 12 "Never have sexual intercourse with your father's sister. She is your paternal aunt. 13 "Never have sexual intercourse with your mother's sister. She is your maternal aunt. 14 "Never have sexual intercourse with the wife of your father's brother. She, too, is your aunt. 15 "Never have sexual intercourse with your daughter-in-law. She is your son's wife. Never have sexual intercourse with her. 16 "Never have sexual intercourse with your sister-in-law. She is your brother's wife. 17 "Never have sexual intercourse with a woman and her daughter or a woman and her granddaughter. They are related. Doing this is perverted. 18 "While your wife is living, never marry her sister as a rival wife and have sexual intercourse with her. 20 "Never have sexual intercourse with your neighbor's wife and become unclean with her. 22 "Never have sexual intercourse with a man as with a woman. It is disgusting. 23 "Never have sexual intercourse with any animal and become unclean with it. A woman must never offer herself to an animal for sexual intercourse. It is unnatural. " In Matthew's Gospel in the New Testament, the Bible says: Matthew chapter 19 (TEV) 7 The Pharisees asked him, "Why, then, did Moses give the law for a man to hand his wife a divorce notice and send her away?" 8 Jesus answered, "Moses gave you permission to divorce your wives because you are so hard to teach. But it was not like that at the time of creation. 9 I tell you, then, that any man who divorces his wife for any cause other than her unfaithfulness, commits adultery if he marries some other woman." The Old Testament prophet Malachi prophesied: Malachi chapter 2 (NLT) 16 "I hate divorce!" says the LORD, the God of Israel. "It is as cruel as putting on a victim's bloodstained coat," says the LORD Almighty. "So guard yourself; always remain loyal to your wife." Considering the contradictory messages in the bible, it surprises me not to see both of these posts together here. The bible is not consistant from one chapter to another. Like I said if it isn't Gods or Jesus word it can be left up to interpretation.The bible wasn't written till some 20 years after Jesus death so it is probably fair to say that their stories may differ slightly from book to book.Also the language they spoke back then was very complicated and hard to translate.It is this reason why you have so many different versions(such as the king james)of what was said in the bible. That is not what I am referring to. If you read the bible at face value without the reverence that it is a word from a god, it makes almost no sense. Yes it would make sense if we lived in that time.The bible was written using laws and rules that the people followed in that time.When people fought wars back in those times it was common practice to kill every last soldier until there was no one left standing.If you were in that village where those dead soldiers came from you had hundreds of newly single women with no men to protect them.It was common and acceptable that the soldiers would just pick who he wanted for a wife.It would be almost insulting for the soldiers to pack up and leave and not to take these women as it would be similar to reverse banishment.They would be left to the mercy of perverts,thieves,murders,and others who knew that there was no men left to protect them and often ended up raped and dead.Their towns would be looted or burned or taken over. As I said before the posts about marriage were written for extreme cases of doubt and were not written to be used for normal practice.God has always wanted marriage to be one man and one woman who love each other.God or Jesus never spoke about any of the other marriages mentioned in this post. The bible was written as stories of old and someone at a later date chose to place them in one place and make them into the word of god. The information we can gleen from it is the differences of relationships from then to now. The differences of thought from then to now. The differences of value from then to now. Etc... It would be foolish in my eyes to take it as a "rule all" for life now. As with all other books of fiction and truth out there, it has it's good points and it's bad points. Nothing more. If you choose to believe it and take it for more than a story being told that is your right but the reverence of the book other than it is an historical read of sorts, does not apply for me at all. |
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It's all too confusing for me. Do I need to rape the woman before or after the wedding? I think we need to clarify this little technicality first so I can know how to proceed.  Considering rape is not a crime of passion but a crime of control, I pity the women who had to suffer this. He would become more sadistic in his control after the marriage until he beat her down mentally, emotionally and physically. Sad state of affairs for women. Not pointed toward you at all here Abra I know you were joking. You know what I think?I think you Aethist need to worry less about the Christians and more about the current religion of the Muslims.If you are so concerned about religon,rape,marriage,womens rights,and all that other stuff.I would suggest instead of digging up obscure laws that haven't been used by the Christians in thousands of years,concentrating your focus on Muslim laws which murder and rape women as we speak.I doubt any of you will have the balls to get your heads out of the sand on the Christians and concentrate on a important modern issue. These articles don't even scratch the surface on this bizarre,evil,and twisted religion. Afghan president favors law that "legalises rape within marriage": As elections in Afghanistan loom in August, President Hamid Karzai appears to be looking for Islamist votes by supporting a law, article 132 of which states that women must obey their husband's sexual demands and that a man can expect to have sex with his wife at least "once every four nights" when traveling, unless she is ill. The final document is not yet published but it also appears to forbid wives from leaving home without their husbands' permission, to grant custody of children to fathers and grandfathers only, and to approve child marriages. According to the United Nations Development Fund for Women (UNIFEM), "Article 132 legalises the rape of a wife by her husband." (March 22, 2009) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/women-told-you-have-dishonoured-your-family-please-kill-yourself-1655373.html Women told: 'You have dishonoured your family, please kill yourself' This family of sisters said there had been an honour killing in their village, in one of the most patriarchal areas of Kurdish Turkey, and they live in constant fear enlarge When Elif's father told her she had to kill herself in order to spare him from a prison sentence for her murder, she considered it long and hard. "I loved my father so much, I was ready to commit suicide for him even though I hadn't done anything wrong," the 18-year-old said. "But I just couldn't go through with it. I love life too much." All Elif had done was simply decline the offer of an arranged marriage with an older man, telling her parents she wanted to continue her education. That act of disobedience was seen as bringing dishonour on her whole family – a crime punishable by death. "I managed to escape. When I was at school, a few girls I knew were killed by their families in the name of honour – one of them for simply receiving a text message from a boy," Elif said. So-called "honour killings" in Turkey have reached record levels. According to government figures, there are more than 200 a year – half of all the murders committed in the country. Now, in a sinister twist, comes the emergence of "honour suicides". The growing phenomenon has been linked to reforms to Turkey's penal code in 2005. That introduced mandatory life sentences for honour killers, whereas in the past, killers could receive a reduced sentence claiming provocation. Soon after the law was passed, the numbers of female suicides started to rocket. http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2008/04/strange-sex-stories-from-the-muslim-world.html Parents threaten to kill teenage daughter unless she has sex with her husband: I introduced this weblog entry by noting that "The deepest differences between Muslims and Westerners concern not politics but sexuality" and here is a perfect case making that point, reported by Deutsche Presse Agentur: Mohammed Ould Abdallahi and his wife Hawa Mint Cheikh emigrated from Mauritania to Puerto Real in southern Spain in the late 1980s, where they bore three children. Ould Abdallahi speaks hardly any Spanish and is almost illiterate. When his daughter Selamha Bint Mohammed turned 14 in 2006, he accepted for her the marriage proposal of her cousin Mokhtar Salem, then already more than 40 years old, and the couple proceeded to get married that year in Nouakchott, the Mauritanian capital. 40 lashes, 4 months in prison, deportation for 75-year-old widow for "mingling" with nephew: Khamisa Sawadi, 75 and the Syrian widow of a Saudi man, asked two 24-year-old men in April 2008 to bring her five loaves of bread, reports the Saudi newspaper Al-Watan. One of them, Fahd al-Anzi, as was the nephew of her late husband, the other his friend and business partner, Hadiyan bin Zein. They delivered the bread ent to Sawadi's home in the city of al-Chamil, north of Riyadh. |
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It's all too confusing for me. Do I need to rape the woman before or after the wedding? I think we need to clarify this little technicality first so I can know how to proceed. Considering rape is not a crime of passion but a crime of control, I pity the women who had to suffer this. He would become more sadistic in his control after the marriage until he beat her down mentally, emotionally and physically. Sad state of affairs for women. Not pointed toward you at all here Abra I know you were joking. You know what I think?I think you Aethist need to worry less about the Christians and more about the current religion of the Muslims.If you are so concerned about religon,rape,marriage,womens rights,and all that other stuff.I would suggest instead of digging up obscure laws that haven't been used by the Christians in thousands of years,concentrating your focus on Muslim laws which murder and rape women as we speak.I doubt any of you will have the balls to get your heads out of the sand on the Christians and concentrate on a important modern issue. These articles don't even scratch the surface on this bizarre,evil,and twisted religion. Afghan president favors law that "legalises rape within marriage": As elections in Afghanistan loom in August, President Hamid Karzai appears to be looking for Islamist votes by supporting a law, article 132 of which states that women must obey their husband's sexual demands and that a man can expect to have sex with his wife at least "once every four nights" when traveling, unless she is ill. The final document is not yet published but it also appears to forbid wives from leaving home without their husbands' permission, to grant custody of children to fathers and grandfathers only, and to approve child marriages. According to the United Nations Development Fund for Women (UNIFEM), "Article 132 legalises the rape of a wife by her husband." (March 22, 2009) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/women-told-you-have-dishonoured-your-family-please-kill-yourself-1655373.html Women told: 'You have dishonoured your family, please kill yourself' This family of sisters said there had been an honour killing in their village, in one of the most patriarchal areas of Kurdish Turkey, and they live in constant fear enlarge When Elif's father told her she had to kill herself in order to spare him from a prison sentence for her murder, she considered it long and hard. "I loved my father so much, I was ready to commit suicide for him even though I hadn't done anything wrong," the 18-year-old said. "But I just couldn't go through with it. I love life too much." All Elif had done was simply decline the offer of an arranged marriage with an older man, telling her parents she wanted to continue her education. That act of disobedience was seen as bringing dishonour on her whole family – a crime punishable by death. "I managed to escape. When I was at school, a few girls I knew were killed by their families in the name of honour – one of them for simply receiving a text message from a boy," Elif said. So-called "honour killings" in Turkey have reached record levels. According to government figures, there are more than 200 a year – half of all the murders committed in the country. Now, in a sinister twist, comes the emergence of "honour suicides". The growing phenomenon has been linked to reforms to Turkey's penal code in 2005. That introduced mandatory life sentences for honour killers, whereas in the past, killers could receive a reduced sentence claiming provocation. Soon after the law was passed, the numbers of female suicides started to rocket. http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2008/04/strange-sex-stories-from-the-muslim-world.html Parents threaten to kill teenage daughter unless she has sex with her husband: I introduced this weblog entry by noting that "The deepest differences between Muslims and Westerners concern not politics but sexuality" and here is a perfect case making that point, reported by Deutsche Presse Agentur: Mohammed Ould Abdallahi and his wife Hawa Mint Cheikh emigrated from Mauritania to Puerto Real in southern Spain in the late 1980s, where they bore three children. Ould Abdallahi speaks hardly any Spanish and is almost illiterate. When his daughter Selamha Bint Mohammed turned 14 in 2006, he accepted for her the marriage proposal of her cousin Mokhtar Salem, then already more than 40 years old, and the couple proceeded to get married that year in Nouakchott, the Mauritanian capital. 40 lashes, 4 months in prison, deportation for 75-year-old widow for "mingling" with nephew: Khamisa Sawadi, 75 and the Syrian widow of a Saudi man, asked two 24-year-old men in April 2008 to bring her five loaves of bread, reports the Saudi newspaper Al-Watan. One of them, Fahd al-Anzi, as was the nephew of her late husband, the other his friend and business partner, Hadiyan bin Zein. They delivered the bread ent to Sawadi's home in the city of al-Chamil, north of Riyadh. I am not an athiest. I guess when the defense cannot be made point the fault somewhere else quick huh? LOL It is okay, You have the right to believe whatever you want. Just don't expect others to buy it and you will be alright. |
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Like I said if it isn't Gods or Jesus word it can be left up to interpretation.The bible wasn't written till some 20 years after Jesus death so it is probably fair to say that their stories may differ slightly from book to book.Also the language they spoke back then was very complicated and hard to translate.It is this reason why you have so many different versions(such as the king james)of what was said in the bible. So whilst you agree that all of the bible was written by man, you are also saying the parts that man wrote that were SUPPOSEDLY words from Jesus or God are all undoubtedly true and cannot be interpreted? Yes the words of God and Jesus are absolute and should never be questioned.Those words were not supposedly written.They were spoken and proof that they were spoken are simple.You have the same words written in different books despite the fact these men were seperated by large distances and had no communication with each other.Is not the dead sea scrolls enough evidence that who ever wrote that scroll buried it so secretly nobody ever found it until after the bible was written nearly two thousand years earlier?Yet the dead sea scrolls line up perfectly with what the bible says. Also so what if the bible was written by man?It still doesn't change the fact that what happened happened and what God and Jesus said is what they said.I could have cared less if a 4 year old child wrote it. You would be ok if it were written by a 4 year old child?! haha. Now that i do believe. |
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You know something I really feel for you people who I see posting here day after day night after night and accomplishing what?Absolutly nothing!Nothing you post or anything you say is going to have any affect on very religion you hate so much.You really think a Christian is going to join your cause because you think you have something better to offer them?What do you have to offer?A world full of nothing,thats what you have.When you die and you look back at your legacy what are you going to be proud of?The fact you spent hundreds of hours debating a book and God you say doesn't exist.You know how stupid you come across when you say the bible is fake and made up and then quote the bible in your defense.It's absurd.The only reason Christians debate you to begin with is because you look so desperate,confused,and lost that we feel sorry for you.
I just asked you to make a difference in the world and start talking about the atrocities that go on in the Muslim world.By better educating people we can bring to light these horrible practices.I have read stories of Muslims converting in record numbers to the Christian religion.They are hungry for the peace,love,and sanity the Christians can bring.I do my part by speaking up for the Christians and against the Muslims.I have brought many people to Christ and their lives have been changed forever because of it.I will continue to do Gods work and my life is fulfilled because of it. You can keep posting these stupid topics which nobody really cares about or you can join us in doing something that is really important that gives people hope and life.Time is running out.Do something important with your life! |
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  You know something I really feel for you people who I see posting here day after day night after night and accomplishing what?Absolutly nothing!Nothing you post or anything you say is going to have any affect on very religion you hate so much. the nature of forums is that you post stuff and comment about stuff  , have you not grasped this? it's entertaining and sometimes informative. that's the accomplishment here, entertainment and enlightenment. some of us care about thinking, hence the questions and discussion. some of us do not consider questioning and thinking "nothing". this is a religion forum therefore discussion of a book such as the bible is kind of the point here... You really think a Christian is going to join your cause because you think you have something better to offer them?What do you have to offer?A world full of nothing,thats what you have. i'm not trying to "offer" anything. it's regrettable that some people don't consider thinking a worthwhile activity in itself. i do. also, the fact that a drunk man is happier with life doesn't make drinking a good life philosophy. When you die and you look back at your legacy what are you going to be proud of?The fact you spent hundreds of hours debating a book and God you say doesn't exist.You know how stupid you come across when you say the bible is fake and made up and then quote the bible in your defense.It's absurd.The only reason Christians debate you to begin with is because you look so desperate,confused,and lost that we feel sorry for you. I just asked you to make a difference in the world and start talking about the atrocities that go on in the Muslim world.By better educating people we can bring to light these horrible practices.I have read stories of Muslims converting in record numbers to the Christian religion.They are hungry for the peace,love,and sanity the Christians can bring.I do my part by speaking up for the Christians and against the Muslims.I have brought many people to Christ and their lives have been changed forever because of it.I will continue to do Gods work and my life is fulfilled because of it. i am mighty proud of myself already thanks  . when i look back on my life i'll also be proud of living in the real world where i and other human beings strive to be the best they can be and where discrimination (whether it be against homosexuals or muslims) is hopefully a thing of the past and relegated to just a dwindling number of religious zealots. You can keep posting these stupid topics which nobody really cares about or you can join us in doing something that is really important that gives people hope and life.Time is running out.Do something important with your life! yea... thinking is absurd, ignorance is bliss... i get your point...  mr thomas3474  i'm sorry if my "stupid" thread annoyed you. next time a question is posed that you rather not think about, i urge you to ignore it instead of denigrating the name of your religion as you've been doing here by your supercilious conduct and tone. |
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Just as a disclaimer, I pretty much ‘dislike’ all religions.
Some of the most hateful people I’ve met in person or on-line are the bible thumpers that insist everyone must follow their ways and everyone else is wrong. I especially love the ones that absolutely despise me because I’m a lesbian and take the time to write horrid, hateful rubbish to get their point across. Like the ones that call all GLBT people pedophiles and drone on & on about how we’re destroying the universe because we exist…… blah, whatever. I especially get a kick out of the ones that say ‘I believe EVERYTHING the bible says and that’s how I live my life’. Lol, let’s take a look at a few things the bible says: Leviticus 25:44 states that you may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. Exodus 21:7 says it’s ok to sell your daughter into slavery. Lev.15: 19-24 males are allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness. Exodus 35:2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. Lev. 11:10 Eating shellfish is an abomination Lev.21:20 states that you may not approach the altar of God if you have a defect in your sight (or if you’re a hunchback or a dwarf or an itching disease or scabs or crushed testicles) Lev. 19:2 Don't cut the hair on the sides of your head or trim your beard. Corinthians 11-14 doth not it even nature itself teach you that if a man have long hair it is a shame unto him Deuteronomy 21:18-21 If you have a "stubborn and rebellious son," then you and the other men in your neighborhood "shall stone him with stones that he die." Lev.19:19 Do not mate different kinds of animals. Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. Lev.24:16 Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him. The sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death. Leviticus 15:19-24 a man should not go near a woman when she's on her period The bible mentions unicorns, satyrs (men with goat legs), cockatrices (rooster-serpents that kill when looked upon) and a race of Giants (they survived the Great Flood, because they appear both before and after it. I guess Noah made room for them on the Ark). The bible talks about these mythical creatures not in the mythical sense, but in the real sense, mentioning them right alongside real animals. That's really childish. After God creates Adam, they look amongst all the animals to find a suitable mate for Adam, but they are unsuccessful. (lol, this one is soooo funny!) Isn't it a contradiction to tell humans to not commit murder in the Ten Commandments but then to tell them to kill and wipe out an entire town if they worship false idols? 2nd Kings 2:23-25 - From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of town and jeered at him. "go on up, you bald head!" they said. "go on up, you bald head!" He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled 42 of the youths. And he went on to mount Carmel and from there returned to Samaria. Deuteronomy 13:12-18: 12 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the Lord thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, 13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. 16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the Lord thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. 17 And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the Lord may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers; 18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the Lord thy God. Christianity was founded in approximately 33CE based on the teachings and life of Jesus. The World Christian Database represents over 9,000 Christian denominations throughout the world. The Bible was written over a period of 1400 to 1800 years by more than 40 different authors and is a compilation of 66 separate books, divided into two primary divisions: the Old Testament (containing 39 books. The Old Testament (also known as the Hebrew Bible), the first books of the Christian Bible, was written more than 2,000 years ago.) and the New Testament (containing 27 books). The Bible was put together by church committee and there are over 20 or more books left out of the Bible. Christianity - The belief that a cosmic, trans-dimensional, Jewish zombie can make you live forever if you telepathically tell him you accept him as your “savior”, so he can remove an evil force from you that is somehow present in all humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by an evil snake to eat an apple from a magic tree, yeah…. that makes perfect sense. |
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You know something I really feel for you people who I see posting here day after day night after night and accomplishing what?Absolutly nothing!Nothing you post or anything you say is going to have any affect on very religion you hate so much.You really think a Christian is going to join your cause because you think you have something better to offer them?What do you have to offer?A world full of nothing,thats what you have.When you die and you look back at your legacy what are you going to be proud of?The fact you spent hundreds of hours debating a book and God you say doesn't exist.You know how stupid you come across when you say the bible is fake and made up and then quote the bible in your defense.It's absurd.The only reason Christians debate you to begin with is because you look so desperate,confused,and lost that we feel sorry for you. I just asked you to make a difference in the world and start talking about the atrocities that go on in the Muslim world.By better educating people we can bring to light these horrible practices.I have read stories of Muslims converting in record numbers to the Christian religion.They are hungry for the peace,love,and sanity the Christians can bring.I do my part by speaking up for the Christians and against the Muslims.I have brought many people to Christ and their lives have been changed forever because of it.I will continue to do Gods work and my life is fulfilled because of it. You can keep posting these stupid topics which nobody really cares about or you can join us in doing something that is really important that gives people hope and life.Time is running out.Do something important with your life! did someone upset you? wanna hug? Kinda funny that a Christian thinks that we(non christians) are the ones trying to get them to join us! I guess i can only speak for myself, but i certainly have no desire to recruit anyone into my way of thinking. I like being pitied by someone i pity though. Makes it nice and equal. |
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Some of the most hateful people I’ve met in person or on-line are the bible thumpers that insist everyone must follow their ways and everyone else is wrong. sadly, so true, as evidenced right here...  |
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Some of the most hateful people I’ve met in person or on-line are the bible thumpers that insist everyone must follow their ways and everyone else is wrong. sadly, so true, as evidenced right here... Two questions 1.)Who am I hating here? 2.)Who am I insisting follow my ways? I would be nice to get a name of both of these questions. |
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are you serious? 
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Jamine, you ask very intelligent and well-thought out questions.
When people get irate and start complaining, it's only because they recognize that there are no good explanations and you've truly made a very good point that they can't even begin to address. Religion is the art of making excuses for dogma. You bring up question that cannot be easily excused. Very well done! 
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dude...
i'm going to sleep. goodnight to you and yours
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Jamine, you ask very intelligent and well-thought out questions. When people get irate and start complaining, it's only because they recognize that there are no good explanations and you've truly made a very good point that they can't even begin to address. Religion is the art of making excuses for dogma. You bring up question that cannot be easily excused. Very well done! aww shucks, thanks abra  . 
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Yes I am serious.If you are going to make accusations against me I would like some names of the people you say I am insisting on converting.And where did this bible thumping nonsense come from?Who started this topic?Do you usually start a topic involving Christians and then get upset when someone uses the bible to back up what they are debating?Or could it be that my responses don't fit into your usual Christians are worthless,ignorant,stupid,nazi's who want to take control of the world theory?
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 Is the modern institution of marriage the same institution it was in the past?
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So whilst you agree that all of the bible was written by man, you are also saying the parts that man wrote that were SUPPOSEDLY words from Jesus or God are all undoubtedly true and cannot be interpreted? There is not a single solitary word in the Bible that came directly from Jesus. The entire New Testament is all hearsay. Therefore the entire New Testament is open to both interpretation as well as suspicion for added demagoguery. Anyone who claims that the Bible contains the words of Jesus has no clue. It most certainly does not. It's all hearsay written decades after Jesus was dead. Assuming he every even existed. Some people believe the entire thing was just made up from bit and pieces of previous myths. That's a plausible view since there were many myths of messiahs having been born of a virgin, and doing all of the things that Jesus supposedly did. So that's a viable interpretation too. For anyone to tell other person what is open to interpretation and what is not is truly laughable. The whole thing is open to interpretation. No one knows if any of it can be trusted. I don't believe that any God had anything to do with the book at all personally. So as far as I'm concerned the whole thing was made up and written by men. |
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