Got a video sent to me, found it intriguing, comes complete with some extra reading, for those of us who do that sort of thing.

Sunday, March 29, 2009

The Give Act, HR1388

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn5P8iY0Mho&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eprisonplanet%2Ecom%2Fmandatory%2Dvolunteerism%2Dis%2Dthis%2Da%2Drepeat%2Dof%2Dhistory%2Ehtml&feature=player_embedded


By these statements made by Rahm Emanuel and Obama, we know mandatory service is on their minds:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvQKlOawAAc

Also check out H.R. 1444 and the National Civilian
Community Corps

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1444/text

http://www.infowars.com/house-passes-mandatory-national-service-bill/

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=92288

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80829

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/9374

http://truediscernment.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/hr-1388-obama%E2%80%99s-youth-brigade-conscripts-would-be-prohibited-from-participating-in-religious-activities/

The thing is, there have been advocates of "mandatory volunteerism" pushing to reinstate it for more than a decade. In googling this particular issue, however, stumbled across this tidbit:

http://www.thevoicemagazine.com/politics/512-obama-youth-brigade-church-attendance-forbidden.html

I have been reserving judgment about President Obama. I truly believe that there are things that he wants to do that would be wonderful if they were performed exactly as he's sold them. However, I get nervous when I start seeing things like this.

I'm not sure if history is about to repeat itself, but it's inevitable given that many of us fail to learn from events during the first go round.

I went and checked this out and is that ever worrisome! I myself have student loans although I am not a youth. I would refuse to ever follow what he is wanting to put into play here. I do not nor will I ever support Obama and this just proves to me that his ideas of change are not what this country needs.

3/9/2009--Introduced.
Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act or the GIVE Act - Amends the National and Community Service Act of 1990 (NSCA) and the Domestic Volunteer Service Act of 1973 (DVSA) to revise the programs under such Acts and reauthorize appropriations for such programs through FY2014.
Revises under NSCA: (1) the School-Based and Community-Based Service-Learning programs and Higher Education Innovative Programs for Community Service (Learn and Serve programs); (2) National Service Trust programs (AmeriCorps); (3) the National Civilian Community Corps (NCCC); and (4) the Investment for Quality and Innovation program.
Eliminates the current Community-Based Learn and Serve programs.
Establishes two new Learn and Serve programs: (1) Campuses of Service, which provides funds to institutions of higher education to develop or disseminate exemplary service-learning programs that assist their students' pursuit of public service careers; and (2) Innovative Service-Learning Programs and Research, which funds community service-learning opportunities for elementary and secondary, college, and graduate students as well as research into service-learning.
Includes among eligible AmeriCorps programs: (1) an Education Corps to address unmet educational needs; (2) a Healthy Futures Corps to address unmet health needs; (3) a Clean Energy Corps to address unmet environmental needs; and (4) a Veterans Corps to address the unmet needs of veterans and their families.
Creates AmeriCorps Opportunity Corps programs that include certain existing programs and new programs to: (1) increase community access to technology; (2) engage citizens in public safety, health, and emergency preparedness services; (3) mentor youth; (4) reduce recidivism by re-engaging court-involved youth; and (5) support the needs of veterans or active duty service members and their families.
Establishes an Education Awards Only program authorizing the Corporation for National and Community Service (Corporation) to provide fixed-amount grants to programs that have approved national service positions, but no AmeriCorps funding.
Sets the National Service educational awards for full-time AmeriCorps, NCCC, and Volunteers in Service to America (VISTA) participants at a level equal to the maximum available Pell Grant available to students under the Higher Education Act of 1965.
Includes among needs to be met under the NCCC program, disaster relief, infrastructure improvement, environmental and energy conservation, and urban and rural development.
Requires states to develop comprehensive plans for volunteer and paid service by Baby Boomers and older adults.
Directs the Corporation to plan pilot programs to: (1) better target and serve displaced workers; and (2) establish a centralized electronic citizenship verification system which would allow the Corporation to share employment eligibility information with the Department of Education.
Authorizes the Corporation to treat September 11th annually as a National Day of Service and Remembrance.
Establishes within the Investment for Quality and Innovation program: (1) a ServeAmerica Fellowships program providing fellowships to individuals chosen by states to participate in service projects addressing certain areas of national need; (2) a Silver Scholarship Grant Program providing scholarships to individuals age 55 or older who complete at least 500 hours of service in a year in an area of national need; and (3) an Encore Fellowships program providing one-year fellowships to individuals age 55 or older who serve in areas of national need and receive training to transition to public service employment. Makes ServeAmerica fellows eligible for national service educational awards.
Authorizes the Corporation to provide grants to innovative and model service programs, including those for disadvantaged youth, youth under age 17, and potential recidivists.
Eliminates federal funding for the Points of Light Foundation.
Revises under DVSA: (1) the VISTA program; and (2) the Senior Corps, including the Retired and Senior Volunteer program (RSVP), the Foster Grandparent program, and the Senior Companion program.
Gives priority in VISTA participant selection to disadvantaged youth and retired adults of any profession.
Authorizes new VISTA grant programs of national significance that provide poor and rural communities with: (1) services reintegrating formerly incarcerated individuals into society; (2) financial literacy and planning; (3) before-school and after-school services; (4) community economic development initiatives; (5) assistance to veterans and their families; and (6) health and wellness services. Eliminates the VISTA Literacy Corps, University Year for VISTA, and Literacy Challenge Grant programs.
Raises the minimum and maximum stipend provided to VISTA participants.
Prioritizes RSVP projects in specified areas.
Makes anyone 55 years of age or older eligible as Senior Corps volunteers.
Provides, under the Senior Corps demonstration program, incentive matching grants to Senior Corps programs that exceed specified performance measures, enroll most of their volunteers in outcome-based service programs, and increase their enrollment of Baby Boomer volunteers.
Expresses the sense of the Congress that the number of AmeriCorps, VISTA, and NCCC participants should reach 250,000 by 2014.
Congressional Commission on Civic Service Act - Establishes a Congressional Commission on Civic Service to provide recommendations to Congress on improving opportunities for individuals to volunteer or perform national service.

just thought i would add a summary of the bill

I agree - when I read it, I had to blink a few times. I mean, the fight for freedom of religion is what brought this country into being (in part), so having someone actively trying to limit that freedom by making it a requirement of participation in a group is terrifying to say the least.

Thunderclouds on the horizon.....

Just another form of Nazi-ism or slavery if you ask me.. shoot me between the eyes because I will refuse to comply to his sick and demented ideas on change.

My friends and I were talking one night about what would happen if things truly got as bad as they are looking like they could. I said it was simple - I'd gather up those who were important to me, and would head for a remote part of Canada. I grew up in the northwoods hunting and fishing, and am more than capable of surviving off the land. They thought I was kidding, lol - but I am most definitely not.

I definitely don't want to fall victim to the "Chicken Little" syndrome, but at the same time, it is my policy to hope for the best but plan for the worst.

I would respectfully suggest we take an article from a religious christian magazine with it's own agenda with a grain of salt as well. It's all in the wording.

boo...i would agree with that.


http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1388

I agree, and I do. Every source has its agenda, and I try to read all sides before making a decision. It was just an interesting read, given that the bill does contain that verbiage....and yes, I read the bill to verify :)

MSM at its finest!!!!!

I agree with you, this man has a demented mind.

As for your loans... to revive the economy back to it's not healthy but drugged-up crank status, Obama will have to devalue the dollar to about 1/10 - 1/20 of what it is now. Whatever else is said is all to misdirect your attention. And this devaluation is only the most modest estimate. It is likely that more devaluation will be required.

What it will do to your loans is it will reduce them. To pay back the same 50 grand would feel like paying back 2.5 grand now. This is, incidentally, exactly what he is doing, and there is no other way around if we want to keep our "on the needle" "economy" around. He is doing it mainly to make it easier for homeowners and businesses to pay down their debts (and those who they own the debts to, will accordingly lose the 19/20 of their loaned money). But, it will affect any loans, your's too.

So, here is what I am saying. This is good news for you. Let him to unload your debt for you. As for any activism, remember this: communists are the most dishonest people on the face of this earth. I can guarantee you, that it will be very easy and cheap to buy one of them who is responsible for placing a check mark in your file, that you did this and that. I have had a huge experience with commies, and they all are the same (which is why they are commies).

Yes, I tend to read the sides that don't like the idea first. Usually the side I would not typically be on, that way I am not prejudice by the the views of the side I am normally on.

Your absolutely right there is an agenda on all sides, the word agenda has taken on a rather devilish meaning in many cases when it's not necessarily, on either side. I'm a fairly stubborn sort myself and don't particularly like things that are mandatory unless they make good sense.

Anyone can add a word here or there to make it sound evil when it isn't. That's my concern.

You are absolutely right. It's darn near impossible to find any source that has no agenda on any given topic, and is willing to give a balanced viewpoint from BOTH sides. So, you have to read as much as you can and sift through the piles until you find what most closely resembles the truth.

My grandmother used to say there are three sides to every story - theirs, ours, and the truth :)

Funny. I posted a summary I wrote last night of a paper I'm working on about the very topic of how this is the base of our next financial crisis.

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/214972

I tried to keep it very generalized here but in it's entirety it's like 14 pages so far - and I barely scratched the surface.

What is "Nazi-ism"?

The Obama youth = Hitler youth?
Wonder if they will undergo any indoctrination classes?

The environmental clean energy stuff worries me, since I believe Global Warming is an excuse for Gobal Government.
Will we have gangs of youth roaming neighborhoods handing out fines for every little infraction?
I know there are plans for the toll roads and taxing you for every mile you drive.
Just wait for all the new taxes we'll be seeing to "save" the environment.

I dunno the old CCC built a lot of cool stuff. even if they weren't entirely voluntary

every state park in Texas has buildings and bridges built by the CCC

CCC?

Civilian Conservation Corps

it was a New Deal program to put people to work

they lived in tents and wore uniform like military and built bridges and camp buildings and trails all over Texas (and the US)


http://www.nps.gov/prwi/historyculture/ccc.htm