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| Topic: “Mandatory Volunteerism”… Is this a repeat of history? | |
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From what I'm reading on the Gov site, Kids who can't make it in school or who don't want to be there, will be inducted into the corp and trained for what they would be capable of doing. The Corporation will desidnate who goes where and does what jobs. The kids and young adults will be provided housing. http://www.rules.house.gov/111/LegText/111_hr1388_txt.pdf includes as participants 4 youths and young adults between the 5 ages of 16 and 25, inclusive, and at 6 least 50 percent of whom are out-of7 school youths and other disadvantaged 8 youths (such as youths with limited 9 basic skills, youths in foster care who 10 are becoming too old for foster care, 11 youths of limited-English proficiency, 12 homeless youths, youths who are indi13 viduals with disabilities), and youths 14 who are economically disadvantaged 15 who are between those ages; and 16 ‘‘(III) provides those participants 17 who are youths and young adults 18 with— 19 ‘‘(aa) crew-based, highly 20 structured, and adult-supervised 21 work experience, life skills, edu22 cation, career guidance and coun23 seling, employment training, and 24 support services including men25 toring; and 69 •HR 1388 RH 1 ‘‘(bb) the opportunity to de2 velop citizenship values and skills 3 through service to their commu4 nity and the United States; 5 ‘‘(xii) projects designed to renew and 6 rehabilitate National Park resources and 7 enhance services and learning opportunities 8 for National Park visitors, communities, 9 and schools; and 10 ‘‘(xiii) other activities addressing 11 unmet environmental needs as the Corporation may designate.  What is the "Corporation"?
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http://www.nesc.wvu.edu/ndwc/articles/OT/FA01/CCC.html The CCC was a youth group. Initially, young men between 18 and 25 years old enrolled in the corps for six-month service stretches. They could re-enlist for another six-month period, if they wished, for a maximum of two years. The enrollees received $30 per month. If they had families, they received $5 on payday and $25 was sent home. “I had to quit school when I was 17,” says Dominic Cuda, who served in the CCC in Somerset, Pennsylvania. “My family only had $3 a week. I could give them the $25, and I would have $5 spending money. We never saw the $25. It was sent straight home. Roosevelt took people off the streets and off Relief. He knew what he was doing.” In 1937, the government lowered the minimum enrollment age to 17 and raised the maximum age to 28. The government also expanded the program to include World War I veterans, Native Americans, Eskimos, and local experienced men who served as trades supervisors. At its peak in 1935, the CCC employed 505,782 young men scattered throughout 2,652 camps. What I posted came directly from the Union Calendar No. 10 111TH CONGRESS 1ST SESSION H. R. 1388 [Report No. 111–37] To reauthorize and reform the national service laws. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES MARCH 9,2009 The plan they have is not voluntary. The kids and young adults will be taken and trained wherever the Corporations deems fit for them. What is the "Corporation"?
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The Balmorhea swimming pool (largest spring fed pool in America) built by the CCC wouldn't it be cool if it was mandatory for everyone to spend a summer after graduation building trails and camps like the CCC What other common good project do you have in mind for "everybody"? |
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From what I'm reading on the Gov site, Kids who can't make it in school or who don't want to be there, will be inducted into the corp and trained for what they would be capable of doing. The Corporation will desidnate who goes where and does what jobs. The kids and young adults will be provided housing. http://www.rules.house.gov/111/LegText/111_hr1388_txt.pdf includes as participants 4 youths and young adults between the 5 ages of 16 and 25, inclusive, and at 6 least 50 percent of whom are out-of7 school youths and other disadvantaged 8 youths (such as youths with limited 9 basic skills, youths in foster care who 10 are becoming too old for foster care, 11 youths of limited-English proficiency, 12 homeless youths, youths who are indi13 viduals with disabilities), and youths 14 who are economically disadvantaged 15 who are between those ages; and 16 ‘‘(III) provides those participants 17 who are youths and young adults 18 with— 19 ‘‘(aa) crew-based, highly 20 structured, and adult-supervised 21 work experience, life skills, edu22 cation, career guidance and coun23 seling, employment training, and 24 support services including men25 toring; and 69 •HR 1388 RH 1 ‘‘(bb) the opportunity to de2 velop citizenship values and skills 3 through service to their commu4 nity and the United States; 5 ‘‘(xii) projects designed to renew and 6 rehabilitate National Park resources and 7 enhance services and learning opportunities 8 for National Park visitors, communities, 9 and schools; and 10 ‘‘(xiii) other activities addressing 11 unmet environmental needs as the Corporation may designate. What is the "Corporation"?
Throughout the text of the rules, the word Corporation is used as the intity who will be enforcing the rules. |
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From what I'm reading on the Gov site, Kids who can't make it in school or who don't want to be there, will be inducted into the corp and trained for what they would be capable of doing. The Corporation will desidnate who goes where and does what jobs. The kids and young adults will be provided housing. http://www.rules.house.gov/111/LegText/111_hr1388_txt.pdf includes as participants 4 youths and young adults between the 5 ages of 16 and 25, inclusive, and at 6 least 50 percent of whom are out-of7 school youths and other disadvantaged 8 youths (such as youths with limited 9 basic skills, youths in foster care who 10 are becoming too old for foster care, 11 youths of limited-English proficiency, 12 homeless youths, youths who are indi13 viduals with disabilities), and youths 14 who are economically disadvantaged 15 who are between those ages; and 16 ‘‘(III) provides those participants 17 who are youths and young adults 18 with— 19 ‘‘(aa) crew-based, highly 20 structured, and adult-supervised 21 work experience, life skills, edu22 cation, career guidance and coun23 seling, employment training, and 24 support services including men25 toring; and 69 •HR 1388 RH 1 ‘‘(bb) the opportunity to de2 velop citizenship values and skills 3 through service to their commu4 nity and the United States; 5 ‘‘(xii) projects designed to renew and 6 rehabilitate National Park resources and 7 enhance services and learning opportunities 8 for National Park visitors, communities, 9 and schools; and 10 ‘‘(xiii) other activities addressing 11 unmet environmental needs as the Corporation may designate. What is the "Corporation"?
Throughout the text of the rules, the word Corporation is used as the intity who will be enforcing the rules. Its an "entity" that enforces the rules?
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Edited by
Winx
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Sun 03/29/09 08:47 PM
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From what I'm reading on the Gov site, Kids who can't make it in school or who don't want to be there, will be inducted into the corp and trained for what they would be capable of doing. The Corporation will desidnate who goes where and does what jobs. The kids and young adults will be provided housing. http://www.rules.house.gov/111/LegText/111_hr1388_txt.pdf includes as participants 4 youths and young adults between the 5 ages of 16 and 25, inclusive, and at 6 least 50 percent of whom are out-of7 school youths and other disadvantaged 8 youths (such as youths with limited 9 basic skills, youths in foster care who 10 are becoming too old for foster care, 11 youths of limited-English proficiency, 12 homeless youths, youths who are indi13 viduals with disabilities), and youths 14 who are economically disadvantaged 15 who are between those ages; and 16 ‘‘(III) provides those participants 17 who are youths and young adults 18 with— 19 ‘‘(aa) crew-based, highly 20 structured, and adult-supervised 21 work experience, life skills, edu22 cation, career guidance and coun23 seling, employment training, and 24 support services including men25 toring; and 69 •HR 1388 RH 1 ‘‘(bb) the opportunity to de2 velop citizenship values and skills 3 through service to their commu4 nity and the United States; 5 ‘‘(xii) projects designed to renew and 6 rehabilitate National Park resources and 7 enhance services and learning opportunities 8 for National Park visitors, communities, 9 and schools; and 10 ‘‘(xiii) other activities addressing 11 unmet environmental needs as the Corporation may designate. We can't copy and paste from that link. It's a PDF. I read it all. You have to apply to the program. What you're talking about is all of the kinds of people that can apply. It includes everybody - even private school kids. |
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The Balmorhea swimming pool (largest spring fed pool in America) built by the CCC wouldn't it be cool if it was mandatory for everyone to spend a summer after graduation building trails and camps like the CCC What other common good project do you have in mind for "everybody"?  Is the "common good" a bad thing? And why/why not?
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Mandatory Volunteerism... and Orwell rolls over. My grandfather told me about it. He lived through those times. He said it was voluntary. He said that people were very grateful for the work. |
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Edited by
willing2
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Sun 03/29/09 08:58 PM
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From what I'm reading on the Gov site, Kids who can't make it in school or who don't want to be there, will be inducted into the corp and trained for what they would be capable of doing. The Corporation will desidnate who goes where and does what jobs. The kids and young adults will be provided housing. http://www.rules.house.gov/111/LegText/111_hr1388_txt.pdf includes as participants 4 youths and young adults between the 5 ages of 16 and 25, inclusive, and at 6 least 50 percent of whom are out-of7 school youths and other disadvantaged 8 youths (such as youths with limited 9 basic skills, youths in foster care who 10 are becoming too old for foster care, 11 youths of limited-English proficiency, 12 homeless youths, youths who are indi13 viduals with disabilities), and youths 14 who are economically disadvantaged 15 who are between those ages; and 16 ‘‘(III) provides those participants 17 who are youths and young adults 18 with— 19 ‘‘(aa) crew-based, highly 20 structured, and adult-supervised 21 work experience, life skills, edu22 cation, career guidance and coun23 seling, employment training, and 24 support services including men25 toring; and 69 •HR 1388 RH 1 ‘‘(bb) the opportunity to de2 velop citizenship values and skills 3 through service to their commu4 nity and the United States; 5 ‘‘(xii) projects designed to renew and 6 rehabilitate National Park resources and 7 enhance services and learning opportunities 8 for National Park visitors, communities, 9 and schools; and 10 ‘‘(xiii) other activities addressing 11 unmet environmental needs as the Corporation may designate. We can't copy and paste from that link. It's a PDF. I read it all. You have to apply to the program. What you're talking about is all the kinds of people that can apply. It includes everybody - even private school kids. I copied it directly and the list above, were not referred to as volunteers. They are the outcasts. Juvenile Delinquents, homeless kids, economically disadvantaged. Nowhere,I read is it voluntary. Here is some more copied and pasted. (5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, 5 and on the families of those who serve, if all individ6 uals in the United States were expected to perform 7 national service or were required to perform a certain 8 amount of national service. 9 (6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable 10 mandatory service requirement for all able young peo11 ple could be developed, and how such a requirement 12 could be implemented in a manner that would 13 strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and over14 come civic challenges by bringing together people from 15 diverse economic, ethnic, and educational back16 grounds. States Mandatory Service |
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I read all 292 pages of it. Did you?
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Just showing evidence where it is Mandatory Service.
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Just showing evidence where it is Mandatory Service. I read where they applied. I can't copy and paste a PDF though. |
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Edited by
Winx
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Sun 03/29/09 09:05 PM
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http://www.mostateparks.com/history.htm
Missouri is known for it's beautiful parks. "In the 1930s, the Missouri state park system went through its most significant period of change and development. Beginning in 1933, under the direction of President Franklin Roosevelt, Congress authorized many federal public works programs to help alleviate the unemployment problem. The program that meant the most to Missouri's state park system was the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC), an organization providing jobs for young men between the ages of 18 and 25." |
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From what I'm reading on the Gov site, Kids who can't make it in school or who don't want to be there, will be inducted into the corp and trained for what they would be capable of doing. The Corporation will desidnate who goes where and does what jobs. The kids and young adults will be provided housing. http://www.rules.house.gov/111/LegText/111_hr1388_txt.pdf includes as participants 4 youths and young adults between the 5 ages of 16 and 25, inclusive, and at 6 least 50 percent of whom are out-of7 school youths and other disadvantaged 8 youths (such as youths with limited 9 basic skills, youths in foster care who 10 are becoming too old for foster care, 11 youths of limited-English proficiency, 12 homeless youths, youths who are indi13 viduals with disabilities), and youths 14 who are economically disadvantaged 15 who are between those ages; and 16 ‘‘(III) provides those participants 17 who are youths and young adults 18 with— 19 ‘‘(aa) crew-based, highly 20 structured, and adult-supervised 21 work experience, life skills, edu22 cation, career guidance and coun23 seling, employment training, and 24 support services including men25 toring; and 69 •HR 1388 RH 1 ‘‘(bb) the opportunity to de2 velop citizenship values and skills 3 through service to their commu4 nity and the United States; 5 ‘‘(xii) projects designed to renew and 6 rehabilitate National Park resources and 7 enhance services and learning opportunities 8 for National Park visitors, communities, 9 and schools; and 10 ‘‘(xiii) other activities addressing 11 unmet environmental needs as the Corporation may designate. We can't copy and paste from that link. It's a PDF. I read it all. You have to apply to the program. What you're talking about is all the kinds of people that can apply. It includes everybody - even private school kids. I copied it directly and the list above, were not referred to as volunteers. They are the outcasts. Juvenile Delinquents, homeless kids, economically disadvantaged. Nowhere,I read is it voluntary. Here is some more copied and pasted. (5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, 5 and on the families of those who serve, if all individ6 uals in the United States were expected to perform 7 national service or were required to perform a certain 8 amount of national service. 9 (6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable 10 mandatory service requirement for all able young peo11 ple could be developed, and how such a requirement 12 could be implemented in a manner that would 13 strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and over14 come civic challenges by bringing together people from 15 diverse economic, ethnic, and educational back16 grounds. States Mandatory Service What page do you see this on? Yes, I read about the disadvantaged youth. If you read further, it talks about more groups of people - even private school children. |
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From what I'm reading on the Gov site, Kids who can't make it in school or who don't want to be there, will be inducted into the corp and trained for what they would be capable of doing. The Corporation will desidnate who goes where and does what jobs. The kids and young adults will be provided housing. http://www.rules.house.gov/111/LegText/111_hr1388_txt.pdf includes as participants 4 youths and young adults between the 5 ages of 16 and 25, inclusive, and at 6 least 50 percent of whom are out-of7 school youths and other disadvantaged 8 youths (such as youths with limited 9 basic skills, youths in foster care who 10 are becoming too old for foster care, 11 youths of limited-English proficiency, 12 homeless youths, youths who are indi13 viduals with disabilities), and youths 14 who are economically disadvantaged 15 who are between those ages; and 16 ‘‘(III) provides those participants 17 who are youths and young adults 18 with— 19 ‘‘(aa) crew-based, highly 20 structured, and adult-supervised 21 work experience, life skills, edu22 cation, career guidance and coun23 seling, employment training, and 24 support services including men25 toring; and 69 •HR 1388 RH 1 ‘‘(bb) the opportunity to de2 velop citizenship values and skills 3 through service to their commu4 nity and the United States; 5 ‘‘(xii) projects designed to renew and 6 rehabilitate National Park resources and 7 enhance services and learning opportunities 8 for National Park visitors, communities, 9 and schools; and 10 ‘‘(xiii) other activities addressing 11 unmet environmental needs as the Corporation may designate. We can't copy and paste from that link. It's a PDF. I read it all. You have to apply to the program. What you're talking about is all the kinds of people that can apply. It includes everybody - even private school kids. I copied it directly and the list above, were not referred to as volunteers. They are the outcasts. Juvenile Delinquents, homeless kids, economically disadvantaged. Nowhere,I read is it voluntary. Here is some more copied and pasted. (5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, 5 and on the families of those who serve, if all individ6 uals in the United States were expected to perform 7 national service or were required to perform a certain 8 amount of national service. 9 (6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable 10 mandatory service requirement for all able young peo11 ple could be developed, and how such a requirement 12 could be implemented in a manner that would 13 strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and over14 come civic challenges by bringing together people from 15 diverse economic, ethnic, and educational back16 grounds. States Mandatory Service What page do you see this on? Yes, I read about the disadvantaged youth. If you read further, it talks about more groups of people - even private school children. Page 285. That's where I copied it from. |
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I was talking about the page where you describe 4-11 regarding disadvantaged youth.
Regarding page 285: It's about the general purpose of the Commission. It's to gather and analyze information in order to make recommendations on whether those issues are appropriate. Ex: What are the issues that deter volunteerism in the youth and more. They are looking at all options and issues. You took out one issue and posted it. |
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Asking for Americans to volunteer their time if they can for the betterment of this country should not be an imposition at any level.
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Edited by
Winx
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Sun 03/29/09 09:32 PM
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Willing,
What page is where you say, "Kids who can't make it in school or who don't want to be there, will be inducted into the corp and trained for what they would be capable of doing"? I can't find it. From what I see, it sounds like Job Corps. I liked what I read in the bill. I have a friend whose child is doing something similar to that bill here. The child is to work for 3 summers for a community organization. When she is done, she gets 4 free years of college. It's a win-win. |
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Willing, What page is where you say, "Kids who can't make it in school or who don't want to be there, will be inducted into the corp and trained for what they would be capable of doing"? I can't find it. From what I see, it sounds like Job Corps. I liked what I read in the bill. I have a friend whose child is doing something similar to that bill here. The child is to work for 3 summers for a community organization. When she is done, she gets 4 free years of college. It's a win-win. Page 68. |
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Edited by
Winx
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Sun 03/29/09 10:00 PM
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Yes, I see page 68. It's describing page 67. They're talking about the Clean Energy Corps. That is just one program of many that are on the bill.
It's an extension of the Public Lands Corps Act of 1993 - the Urban Youth Corp. They are the ones that I was talking about on an earlier post on this thread. They clean the highways here and plant flower bulbs on the grassy areas of the highways. They do more too. They are saying that they would like at least 50% of those working in the Clean Energy Corp to include the out-of-school youth and the disadvantaged youth. They have been doing that program since 1993. It's a good program. It even says at the top of what you copied and pasted, "It includes". |
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