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Topic: Obama Wants You to Sign Your Loyalty to Him
Winx's photo
Sun 03/22/09 10:53 PM
It's past my bedtime and I'm getting confused.tears

KerryO's photo
Sun 03/22/09 10:55 PM




A sitting President of the United States is "organizing a political organization loyal to him, bound by a pledge, outside the government and existing party apparatus. The historical precedents are ominous."

What is so ominous about an organization? Americans, Alexis de Tocqueville famously observed, "constantly form associations.... If it is proposed to inculcate some truth or to foster some feeling by the encouragement of a great example, they form a society."

Certainly, thousands of organizations seek to influence the political debate. There's Newt Gingrich's American Solutions or the left-wing People for the American Way, for instance.

Political parties are another example of an association, of course. Before, during and after political campaigns, the Democrats and Republicans promote their agendas. As legal entities, they have their own constitutions, their rules of business, their chairmen and officers. They have to be accountable to both the government and their members.

But there is a new organization on the political scene -- "Organizing for America," announced by President Barack Obama in late January but officially unfurled last weekend.

Obama describes OFA as a "grass-roots movement" but OFA is a "project" of the Democratic National Committee.

As Politico reported, OFA will take the 10 million person database built up by the Obama campaign "to mobilize support for the president's legislative agenda."
Obama hand salute
A visit to the OFA website reveals that supporters are not simply asked to sign up, they are asked to take a pledge. A pledge to support -- not the flag, not the constitution, not the country, not even the Democratic Party, but Obama and his "bold plan." OFA does not use the Democratic Party logo but the "O"-shaped logo of the Obama campaign in which the red white and blue of the flag are abstracted to soft pastel colors.

(Celebrities like Ashton Kuchner and Demi Moore did not wait until the official launch to "pledge to be of service" to Barack Obama, of course.)

You will not find any mention of OFA`s governing structure, their budget, their bylaws, or their officers at the OFA website. Donations to the website go to the DNC, but OFA is managed out of the White House. If you click on the comments button, you are taken to a link to the White House email.

Those who take the pledge are asked to "talk with people about the President's plan" and to "ask them to sign their names to the pledge" in support of Obama's policies.

So we have a Movement -- this is their term, not mine -- organized by, and loyal to, a sitting President. Pledge canvassers, armed with your name, will ask you to pledge loyalty to the President too. A president whose term has already become a permanent campaign, is signing up ground forces in a mass organization pledged to personal loyalty to their Leader.

Does anyone know of any historical precedents for this in the United States?

Did Mitch Stewart, youthful director of OFA, who asks Obama's acolytes to organize "neighborhood by neighborhood" study anything at school about Mao's "Red Guards?

How about Fidel Castro's "widespread system of neighborhood informers"?

Or Hugo Chavez's use of "neighborhood committees"?
Did Stewart learn anything about democracy at all?

Do any of Obama's pledged servants understand why a sitting president has no business creating and deploying his own supporters to help organize their neighbors?

Keep in mind that these acolytes have renounced any thought of questioning the actual policies of the maximum leader. Whatever he says, they are for it. They have given their word.

And they are coming to have a talk with you.


Where did you get that from, Willing? A Republican blog?

There is nothing but fact. An investigation and questioning why obama needs his Civilian Military Movement


There is no Civilian Military Movement.frustrated

It's grass roots - getting people involved.


Yeah, the tale keeps improving, doesn't it? I'm waiting for the part of the plot where black helicopters and signatures from the inhabitants of Area 51 come into play.

-Kerry O., "It's just one space alien and a hypno-gun short of 'Men in Black'."

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 03/22/09 11:04 PM
i don't think it's anything but an annoyance. luckily my neighborhood does't like solicitors either....so they won't be around here long

Winx's photo
Sun 03/22/09 11:08 PM
Edited by Winx on Sun 03/22/09 11:10 PM
They aren't related links. One is for volunteers during the election http://obama.3cdn.net/f33182f2a60434cfcf_olm6b1dtc.pdf

and the video http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/pledgecanvasstrainingvideo/
goes with the link about volunteering to canvas for support for the budget. http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/pledgeprojectcanvassguide/

The link is on page 4.




yellowrose10's photo
Sun 03/22/09 11:12 PM
now that we are all on the same page....my arguement this whole time still stands

MahanMahan's photo
Sun 03/22/09 11:35 PM

They are organized and canvassing door to door and in crowded shopping center parking lots.
My concern;
Going door to door, if you sign it,they have your name, phone number and address.
If you, the dissenter, tell them, no thank you, they have your address.

Everyone is aware, if you ain't for him, you're agin' him. Obviously, if you refuse them, you're against Obama.

What repercussions will befall those who say no? They know where you live.

Link to Loyalty Form;
http://obama.3cdn.net/f33182f2a60434cfcf_olm6b1dtc.pdf

Link to Training video;
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/pledgecanvasstrainingvideo/





Where do I sign?

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 03/22/09 11:38 PM
slaphead laugh

MahanMahan's photo
Sun 03/22/09 11:43 PM

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yellowrose, I wish we were all "willilg 2" sign...

lol

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 03/23/09 05:29 AM


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yellowrose, I wish we were all "willilg 2" sign...

lol


hahaha...not me...you can sign if you want to....that's your American right...mine is to not sign and not be bothered with it

franshade's photo
Mon 03/23/09 05:46 AM
This communication is not authorized by any candidate nor candidate's committee.

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 03/23/09 06:00 AM
regardless of who is in charge of what....i don't want to be bothered with it. just as i wouldn't go door to door bothering others

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Mon 03/23/09 06:31 AM
Wow, I don't know how this got twisted into some conspiracy of it's own, but I for one will treat people who come to my door with the same courtesy and respect I would hope to be greeted with, should I be at their door. Don't we have enough anger and suspicion with out making this story into something it's not.

I won't assume the worst of people that simply come to my door with something I might not be interested in. I personally don't care for bible thumpers, but I don't treat them disrespectfully.

It's getting a bit mean spirited in here lately, maybe we don't believe in what goes around comes around. I would not want someone automatically assuming the worst of me, would you? Or do we want to live in a world that just doesn't give a hoot about anything.

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 03/23/09 06:35 AM
i don't think it's a conspiracy....i just think it's an annoyance. i have no desire to be nasty to someone that comes door to door....but i don't want to listen to it regardless of what they are peddling. a simple no thank you goes a long way

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Mon 03/23/09 06:55 AM

i don't think it's a conspiracy....i just think it's an annoyance. i have no desire to be nasty to someone that comes door to door....but i don't want to listen to it regardless of what they are peddling. a simple no thank you goes a long way


Maybe they will carry radar that picks up on people in a bad mood and avoid that house.. I wouldn't want to go door to door, by the looks of this tread they are taking their lives in their hands.


I'll be sure to skip your door Putin.. grin!

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 03/23/09 06:58 AM
i tell telemarketers, solicitors, survey takers, religious solicitors....of all kinds no thank...now if they want to be pushy about it...i can too. my home is where i rest and spend time with my friends and family.

warmachine's photo
Mon 03/23/09 07:06 AM
Once again, if they come to my door, they'd better be prepared to listen to Ron Paul's writings about following the Constitution.


marky84's photo
Mon 03/23/09 08:20 AM
Edited by marky84 on Mon 03/23/09 08:25 AM

Some goofy mother****** wearing anything obama, shows up at my door, he or she will be greeted with the middle finger up on one hand and my Benelli 12 Gauge in the other.


and *that* attitude, among so many other things, is exactly why the republicans got ROFLSTOMPED ;)

marky84's photo
Mon 03/23/09 08:22 AM

i find it insane to ask people to sign a loyalty form


indeed. like Hitler had the army swear allegiance to *HIM*

warmachine's photo
Mon 03/23/09 08:33 AM


i find it insane to ask people to sign a loyalty form


indeed. like Hitler had the army swear allegiance to *HIM*


Seig Heil replaced with "Yes We Can"?

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 03/23/09 08:34 AM


Some goofy mother****** wearing anything obama, shows up at my door, he or she will be greeted with the middle finger up on one hand and my Benelli 12 Gauge in the other.


and *that* attitude, among so many other things, is exactly why the republicans got ROFLSTOMPED ;)


yes....that is extreme. but I don't think the other side would want people going door to door either

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