Topic: 8 Reasons why I believe Christ Rose from the DEAD.
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Fri 03/13/09 10:03 AM
Edited by Nubby on Fri 03/13/09 10:30 AM






Try to ask clear questions.




Yes He did, but you must read it in the context He is talking about.

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Fri 03/13/09 10:05 AM

BTW, I am glad that you have faith that brings you peace and strength Nubby.




Thanks TB Rich, it truly does, but I believe it because it is true, not because it brings me peace and strength.

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Fri 03/13/09 10:09 AM





And that is part of the many reasons why I turned my back on Christianity. God can kiss my ass if he she it thinks I would ever give myself over to such a manipulative and self righteous deity!

How can a loving God condone murder in his Great plan? I dare question god and if I had the opportunity I would question God in his hers its face!

Love does not justify murder!



This is where the free will argument comes into play. God allows murder to take place for a certain amount of time to bring about a greater good. Justice will eventually be paid by God to all who diobey him. For the Christian Justice was paid for on the Cross, through faith in him. This may be the best of all possible worlds given the existence of free will.


Free Will is nothing more than a cop out. Either God CAN prevent evil(and if god can, why doesn't god?) or God CAN'T prevent evil.(In that case, why call him God?)



God can and will get rid of evil in the future. God will bring about a greater good through evil.


God cannot do anything. For instance the bible says God cannot swear by a name greater than himself. God cannot make a square circle. God cannot make a free human being love him with out violating his free will. God can do anything power can do.

God can do anything... There is no name greater than all things... God can make a square circle... our limits prevent us from seeing it(but that does not mean it is not possible).

God loves us unconditionally... Therefore it matters not if we love god...



God can do anything power can do. The bible clearly says God cannot swear by a name greater than himself, it also says God cannot lie.



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Fri 03/13/09 10:21 AM





And that is part of the many reasons why I turned my back on Christianity. God can kiss my ass if he she it thinks I would ever give myself over to such a manipulative and self righteous deity!

How can a loving God condone murder in his Great plan? I dare question god and if I had the opportunity I would question God in his hers its face!

Love does not justify murder!



This is where the free will argument comes into play. God allows murder to take place for a certain amount of time to bring about a greater good. Justice will eventually be paid by God to all who diobey him. For the Christian Justice was paid for on the Cross, through faith in him. This may be the best of all possible worlds given the existence of free will.


Free Will is nothing more than a cop out. Either God CAN prevent evil(and if god can, why doesn't god?) or God CAN'T prevent evil.(In that case, why call him God?)



God can and will get rid of evil in the future. God will bring about a greater good through evil.


God cannot do anything. For instance the bible says God cannot swear by a name greater than himself. God cannot make a square circle. God cannot make a free human being love him with out violating his free will. God can do anything power can do.


1. If he can and will, what is he waiting for? With all the wars, killing, famine going on in the world, why does he wait?

2. If god cannot do anything, 1. where does "All things are possible thru god" come from, because if he can't do anything, then clearly that is not true. 2. If he can't do anything, why call him god?




The fact that you recognize evil in the world is a suggestive argument for the existence of God. Why?
Because if evil exists, then good exists. If good and evil exist then a moral law exists. If a moral law exists then there must be a moral law giver to judge right from wrong, good from evil.


God can do anything power can do. He will not do that which contradicts his own nature. "All things are possible through God" must be taken in context and in light of other scripture.

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Fri 03/13/09 10:28 AM
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Fri 03/13/09 10:29 AM
Edited by Inkracer on Fri 03/13/09 10:33 AM
The fact that you recognize evil in the world is a suggestive argument for the existence of God. Why?
Because if evil exists, then good exists. If good and evil exist then a moral law exists. If a moral law exists then there must be a moral law giver to judge right from wrong, good from evil.


God can do anything power can do. He will not do that which contradicts his own nature. "All things are possible through God" must be taken in context and in light of other scripture.


1. Because I can recognize the difference between acts that benefit people(good) from acts that are detrimental to people(bad) does not mean that there is a law giver. Murder isn't bad because a "god" said it was(and if you believe that, then your god is a hypocrite, killing countless people throughout the bible) Murder is bad because society, as a whole, has decided that murder is bad. If there was a 'moral law giver" then more than 2 of the 10 Commandments would be laws..

2.So basically, "All things are possible through God" is only supposed to be used when there are cases that Science has disproven what the bible say.(i.e. Human Parthenogenesis/the virgin birth) Yet another circular argument, and cop-out.

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Fri 03/13/09 10:45 AM

The fact that you recognize evil in the world is a suggestive argument for the existence of God. Why?
Because if evil exists, then good exists. If good and evil exist then a moral law exists. If a moral law exists then there must be a moral law giver to judge right from wrong, good from evil.


God can do anything power can do. He will not do that which contradicts his own nature. "All things are possible through God" must be taken in context and in light of other scripture.


1. Because I can recognize the difference between acts that benefit people(good) from acts that are detrimental to people(bad) does not mean that there is a law giver. Murder isn't bad because a "god" said it was(and if you believe that, then your god is a hypocrite, killing countless people throughout the bible) Murder is bad because society, as a whole, has decided that murder is bad. If there was a 'moral law giver" then more than 2 of the 10 Commandments would be laws..

2.So basically, "All things are possible through God" is only supposed to be used when there are cases that Science has disproven what the bible say.(i.e. Human Parthenogenesis/the virgin birth) Yet another circular argument, and cop-out.




What basis do you have for saying there is evil in the world? Is this not an appeal to your own relative moral feelings and opinions? Why are your feelings authoritative?"

Nubby's photo
Fri 03/13/09 10:52 AM

The fact that you recognize evil in the world is a suggestive argument for the existence of God. Why?
Because if evil exists, then good exists. If good and evil exist then a moral law exists. If a moral law exists then there must be a moral law giver to judge right from wrong, good from evil.


God can do anything power can do. He will not do that which contradicts his own nature. "All things are possible through God" must be taken in context and in light of other scripture.


1. Because I can recognize the difference between acts that benefit people(good) from acts that are detrimental to people(bad) does not mean that there is a law giver. Murder isn't bad because a "god" said it was(and if you believe that, then your god is a hypocrite, killing countless people throughout the bible) Murder is bad because society, as a whole, has decided that murder is bad. If there was a 'moral law giver" then more than 2 of the 10 Commandments would be laws..

2.So basically, "All things are possible through God" is only supposed to be used when there are cases that Science has disproven what the bible say.(i.e. Human Parthenogenesis/the virgin birth) Yet another circular argument, and cop-out.




Science cannot disprove nor prove what God can nor cannot do. This is the area of philosophy and logic. The bible and philosophy fit very well together.

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Fri 03/13/09 10:52 AM
What basis do you have for saying there is evil in the world? Is this not an appeal to your own relative moral feelings and opinions? Why are your feelings authoritative?"


What basis do I have for saying evil is in this world? Because there are wars going on, because there are a number of people out there willing to kill(you and me both) simply because we don't believe in their god. We have people using a line in a book to deny other people of rights, simply because they are different.

Where did i ever say my feelings were authoritative?

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Fri 03/13/09 10:54 AM

What basis do you have for saying there is evil in the world? Is this not an appeal to your own relative moral feelings and opinions? Why are your feelings authoritative?"


What basis do I have for saying evil is in this world? Because there are wars going on, because there are a number of people out there willing to kill(you and me both) simply because we don't believe in their god. We have people using a line in a book to deny other people of rights, simply because they are different.

Where did i ever say my feelings were authoritative?



But if your an atheist what is going on in the world is just relative to how you feel.

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Fri 03/13/09 10:55 AM


The fact that you recognize evil in the world is a suggestive argument for the existence of God. Why?
Because if evil exists, then good exists. If good and evil exist then a moral law exists. If a moral law exists then there must be a moral law giver to judge right from wrong, good from evil.


God can do anything power can do. He will not do that which contradicts his own nature. "All things are possible through God" must be taken in context and in light of other scripture.


1. Because I can recognize the difference between acts that benefit people(good) from acts that are detrimental to people(bad) does not mean that there is a law giver. Murder isn't bad because a "god" said it was(and if you believe that, then your god is a hypocrite, killing countless people throughout the bible) Murder is bad because society, as a whole, has decided that murder is bad. If there was a 'moral law giver" then more than 2 of the 10 Commandments would be laws..

2.So basically, "All things are possible through God" is only supposed to be used when there are cases that Science has disproven what the bible say.(i.e. Human Parthenogenesis/the virgin birth) Yet another circular argument, and cop-out.




Science cannot disprove nor prove what God can nor cannot do. This is the area of philosophy and logic. The bible and philosophy fit very well together.


1. Scientific Fact: Human Parthenogenesis(aka Virgin Birth) has NEVER produced a living child.
2. IF it were to happen, the child would be a clone of the mother.

Nubby's photo
Fri 03/13/09 10:56 AM



The fact that you recognize evil in the world is a suggestive argument for the existence of God. Why?
Because if evil exists, then good exists. If good and evil exist then a moral law exists. If a moral law exists then there must be a moral law giver to judge right from wrong, good from evil.


God can do anything power can do. He will not do that which contradicts his own nature. "All things are possible through God" must be taken in context and in light of other scripture.


1. Because I can recognize the difference between acts that benefit people(good) from acts that are detrimental to people(bad) does not mean that there is a law giver. Murder isn't bad because a "god" said it was(and if you believe that, then your god is a hypocrite, killing countless people throughout the bible) Murder is bad because society, as a whole, has decided that murder is bad. If there was a 'moral law giver" then more than 2 of the 10 Commandments would be laws..

2.So basically, "All things are possible through God" is only supposed to be used when there are cases that Science has disproven what the bible say.(i.e. Human Parthenogenesis/the virgin birth) Yet another circular argument, and cop-out.




Science cannot disprove nor prove what God can nor cannot do. This is the area of philosophy and logic. The bible and philosophy fit very well together.


1. Scientific Fact: Human Parthenogenesis(aka Virgin Birth) has NEVER produced a living child.
2. IF it were to happen, the child would be a clone of the mother.


That is why the Bible calls it a miracle.

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Fri 03/13/09 11:56 AM
just some simple questions here.
how can there be so many different gods? (practices of different religion?)
are people like mormans or jews etc. wrong for not believing in christianity?
how can "the god" be around for thousands of years, then all of a sudden in the 1800's mormons pop up? then scientology pops up in the 1900's?

to make it clear i am a believe in none of these silly bed time stories you call religion. however, it would be nice if someone could answer these for me

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Fri 03/13/09 12:30 PM
Blaa, Blaa, Blaagrumble

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Fri 03/13/09 12:39 PM
Edited by Nubby on Fri 03/13/09 12:46 PM

just some simple questions here.
how can there be so many different gods? (practices of different religion?)
are people like mormans or jews etc. wrong for not believing in christianity?
how can "the god" be around for thousands of years, then all of a sudden in the 1800's mormons pop up? then scientology pops up in the 1900's?

to make it clear i am a believe in none of these silly bed time stories you call religion. however, it would be nice if someone could answer these for me




1. There are many different practices of religion. The question should be has God chosen to reveal himself to mankind and if so, how. All religions obviously cant be true, this leads to contradiction. A good worldview is logically consistent, empirically adequate, and experientially relevant. I believe Christianity meets these three tests for a good worldview.

2. A person is separated from God because of sin. If he or she does not do anything about it they will die that way, separated forever. There must be a payment for sin. You or I cannot stand before a holy God in the condition we are in. God is perfect. He is the only being who's reason for existence is in himself. Islam has no payment for sin, neither do any of the other world religions. In Christianity God enters into humanity that he might become that sacrifice for the sin of mankind. Its the only religion that solves the problem of sin.

3. I agree with you most all religion seems to be manmade. In Christianity we have something different, something real, a mystery. "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God, He was with God in the beginning"

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Fri 03/13/09 12:41 PM
indifferent indifferent indifferent indifferent

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Fri 03/13/09 12:46 PM

3. I agree with you most all religion seems to be manmade. In Christianity we have something different, something real, a mystery. "In the beginning was the word"


Christianity is just as man-made as the other religions. Christianity's "holy" book is filled with contradictions, and so much blood and gore that it is in no way symbolic of the "loving god" that we are supposed to believe that god is. Hell, it's the Christians that are actively fighting against Science, because fact contradicts the "good book".

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Fri 03/13/09 12:47 PM


What basis do you have for saying there is evil in the world? Is this not an appeal to your own relative moral feelings and opinions? Why are your feelings authoritative?"


What basis do I have for saying evil is in this world? Because there are wars going on, because there are a number of people out there willing to kill(you and me both) simply because we don't believe in their god. We have people using a line in a book to deny other people of rights, simply because they are different.

Where did i ever say my feelings were authoritative?



But if your an atheist what is going on in the world is just relative to how you feel.


So, if you get you morals from the Bible, how many heathens have you stoned to death? How many people who work on the Sabbath have you killed?
The bible CLEARLY states you are supposed you are to do both.

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Fri 03/13/09 12:51 PM
I don't believe in "Christ" & have been told that i'm going to "HELL"

:tongue: At least, it will be warm.:tongue:

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Fri 03/13/09 12:55 PM



What basis do you have for saying there is evil in the world? Is this not an appeal to your own relative moral feelings and opinions? Why are your feelings authoritative?"


What basis do I have for saying evil is in this world? Because there are wars going on, because there are a number of people out there willing to kill(you and me both) simply because we don't believe in their god. We have people using a line in a book to deny other people of rights, simply because they are different.

Where did i ever say my feelings were authoritative?



But if your an atheist what is going on in the world is just relative to how you feel.


So, if you get you morals from the Bible, how many heathens have you stoned to death? How many people who work on the Sabbath have you killed?
The bible CLEARLY states you are supposed you are to do both.


Yes, stoning was an old testament practice used by a group of people chosen by God to be Holy. The payment for sin had not come yet in its fullness. God chose this group of people and no one else, and revealed himself to them in a special way. Because of this he had certain laws that had to be followed. Today we are under new covenant with God. God is HOLY.