what that say another be lost, be not lost in it's own minds affair, leave no doubt no need of a tell, a mind trapped in the lair, a mind of one that create it's own hell, that forgot the greatest saying of wisdom so fair, love be more important than doctrine's fine swell.

Eloquent to say the least!

Let love rule!

indeed love rule the sequal, eloquent the equalizer be the brand, that roam the land, set forth the equal, from out of it's hand, come forth what stand, that erase the curse, the dark skull religion that thirst, attaining delicasies that be it's burst, seeking not love but only a winning purse, streets of gold for itself a hurst, such thinking that do forget, only love of other's more than belief do beget.

The FACT...........the PROOF......

that JESUS IS WHO HE CLAIMS HE IS (and NOT Horus or the many

other myths out there) IS THIS :


JESUS LIVES IN EVERY BORN AGAIN BELIEVER'S HEART!!!

(horus or no other myth out there, is able to do that..to come

and dwell in a believers heart like that..and create a brand

new spirit within man....and connect him back with

God...like Jesus can!!)

No ...NO ONE ELSE BUT JESUS ...WHO IS THE WAY...THE TRUTH...THE

LIFE....is ABLE TO DO THAT!!


There are many false "versions" of Christ out there....always have been.

Nothing new!!!

Even satan will have an anti-christ ... who ALSO will imitate Christ.

But only JESUS CAN SAVE!!

AND GIVE A NEW HEART!!!

AND A NEW SPIRIT WITHIN!!

AND A NEW LIFE!!!

WITH LOVE !!!

JOY!!!!

AND PEACE!!!!!!


NO ONE ELSE CAN DO THIS!!!!

BUT JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And AGAIN......the PROOF......

is when JESUS COMES TO LIVE IN A BELIEVER'S HEART!!!

AND THAT MY FRIEND, IS ALL THE PROOF NECCESSARY !!!

AND ONE DAY MY FRIEND..... WHEN YOU TOO , FINALLY BELIEVE...

THAT WILL BE ALL THE PROOF YOU WILL NEED ,TOO!!!

AND THAT IS WHEN YOU TOO.....

WILL KNOW....

THAT YOU KNOW ....

THAT YOU KNOW ...

THAT YOU KNOW...

THAT YOU KNOW.....

THAT YOU KNOW....

THAT YOU KNOW....

THAT YOU KNOW.....

THAT YOU KNOW ....

THAT YOU KNOW ...

THAT YOU KNOW...

THAT YOU KNOW.....

THAT YOU KNOW....

THAT YOU KNOW....

THAT YOU KNOW.....

THAT ...JESUS... CHRIST... IS... SAVIOUR... AND... LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NO DOUBTS WHATSOEVER!!!

FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER AND EVER...YOU WILL KNOW!!!!!!!

"what you have done unto the least of these, you have done as unto me"....

words of jesus...

jesus said believe thy neighbor, and consider all as EQUAL TO JESUS, AND TO THYSELF...

nothing have love enough, if it love not all, but only serve one called jesus, AS THIS ONE, said serve and LOVE ALL, AS EQUAL TO HIM, no matter their belief or name, as NAMES ARE BUT A MORTAL THING INDEED, and what recognize love, need not any name to be free, AND SO FREE INDEED.

Jesus is not my lord and savior...



Sorry...


It is far better to rule Hell than serve Heaven!





Laughing with sinners is far more fun than crying with saints!


I want nothing to do with the sacrifice of any man for any reason! I don't want any part of a murder suicide! IMO....

MorningSong, you have a book. We know NOTHING about the people who wrote the book, or their motives behind your book. We just have to take your books word on "faith"

I have many people who aren't afraid to ask "why" and are constantly changing and evolving what we know. These people are constantly self-policing, because you have to subject your experiments to peer review, or you aren't taken seriously.

I will take the self-policing scientist of a book of questionable origin, which is only used as an Enemy of Reason.

You're right, it's not an argument, it's an unwarranted assertion backed up by...erm... empty postulations. You even admit that it has some mystical, supernatural aspect to it that can't possibly be grokked by humans, so any attempt to explain it _with_ real-world, reasoned debate standing on evidence and observations involving cause and effect will fall on deaf ears.

And that's not a problem as long as we don't rely on the superstitious to supply us with solutions that keep us alive, prosperous and safe.


-Kerry O.

The Christian faith is not a vacuous leap at it were.

It through his spirit and his word that God can communicate with a believer. There is a good article in Christianity Today I will post on here.

I have questioned my belief system. It ended up giving me a much deeper faith.

I am confident Christ was who he claimed to be. I have a confident hope.

These are not just stories made up by men. Look at the tests for a prophet in the old testament. A false prophecy meant death. God actually breathed through these men inspiring them to write these things down.

If truth is subjective, how do you know truth is subjective. To say "all truth is subjective" is believed by you to be a truthful statement.


The statement "The only real truth is that which can be proven through empirical means.", fails its own test. The statement itself cannot not be proven empirically.

How do you know all religions fail under empirical analysis. Have you personally put them to the test. The birth, life, death, and resurrection of Christ were all empirically verifiable.

The four facts I gave are powerful. Liberal scholarship cant answer to them. Its amazing how they dance around. I am more than justified in believing Christ rose from the dead.

Then there are those who will turn there back and say "Lord, thy will be done"

Actually we know alot about the people who wrote the book. We have almost 2000 years of scholarship.

wait a second here, i thought the story of jesus rising was in the new testament.
and anyways, just because way back when in the old testement when false prophecy meant death, who was to decide the punishment? leaders? and it was to create fear. just like the witch trials not so long ago.
but that punishment you describe exactly proves my point that religion does not leave any room for question due to fear?
are you saying people of buddhist ,hindu, jain, sikh and especially people of jewish faith(because they reject the fact that jesus is the messiah) are wrong for thier beliefs? or is it your duty or a "man of faith" to kill them?

and im not mocking you or anything when i ask, when god speaks to you, what does he say? what does his voice sound like? does he have a north american accent, or is it an arabic accent? does he speak to you when you in your dreams? or is it when you are conscious?

if you can come up with an answer to all my questions above, i might just be impressed a little

indeed, if true be but speculation, and subjective, then what sanity is there???

is not sanity but what is perceived as true???

would one be sane at all, if each thing it looked at, it said it was not real???

what is real but what is known as true???

what is true but what all can agree is true???

somethhing, that IF DENIED, THE ENTIRE WORLD DISAGREE WITH???

if one say, I HAVE NEVER SEEN THE SUN???

do we not all know, unless mitigating things, this be a lie???

SO WE DO KNOW REALITY???

SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT IS TRUE???

TRUE ONLY BE WHAT IS PAST PERSONAL FEELING???

TRUE ONLY BE WHAT CANNOT BE DENIED???

if one know no truth, that cannot be denied, then do it not show itself know not any truth, NOT THAT THERE IS NO TRUTH TO BE KNOWN???

if all is speculative, then what tell is this but sheer delusion of anything and everything called as reality???

what happens is true???

what will happen is true???

what did happen was true???

many truths indeed, less one think eveyhting is specualtion, as of course, this make it think everything but what itself says is ignorance, and only speculation???

why this, would make each accusing word from any other as speculations???

this would MAKE ANY FEELBACK FROM ENVIRONMENT DEEMED AS SPECULATION!!!

please man...

that is a hard sell my friend, and might work for you, but not for i...

From the Artificial Intelligence Lab at MIT:

Sussman attains enlightenment

In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.

“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky.

“I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied.

“Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky.

“I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.

Minsky then shut his eyes.

“Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.

“So that the room will be empty.”

At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.

then this one, would show it is not of god, as god be unconditional love???

so this thing would show itself has not said to god itself, thy will be done, as if one said this itself, to god, then it would believe that god made each other response happen, and so believe the words of other's as from god then???

no, belief say, "MY" WILL BE DONE, AS I SEE FIT, AND WHAT I SEE FIT, BE THE ONLY TRUTH, HOW EACH THING SHOULD LIVE AND BE AS ME, AND THIS MY FRIEND, IS CONDITIONS, WHICH BLOCK AND KEEP OUT ALL THINGS FROM ANY LOVE, CALLED AS GOD.

Well, by that standard then Jesus would be a false prophet because he certainly met with death for blaspheme.

The fact that these stories had indeed been told before in various forms is basically proof positive that they weren't only made up, but they weren't even original.

In fact, the very idea of a God who is appeased by blood sacrifices is so common to man-made mythologies that you'd be hard-pressed to find a man-made mythology that didn't claim their Gods are appeased by blood sacrifices.

Even the Canaanites where supposedly making blood sacrifices to their Gods!

That's all those people could dream up back in those days. It was just commonly believed that any and all Gods would want a blood sacrifice to be appeased.

The idea that the real creator of this universe would be appeased by blood sacfrices is truly insane, IMHO.

What purpose would it serve God to see someone or some animal butchered? That would imply that God is some kind of sadist and gets off on bloody bucherings. Even if it's his OWN SON!

To me that's the most ludicous idea of all.



This is an absurd statement. The idea that an all-wise, all-powerful God would need to sacrifice anything to save a bunch of bimbo human sinners that he created is ludicious.

Moreover, how is it OUR FAULT that God created Eve from a rib of Adam? Why did God create a woman who would fall to sin?

Clearly the SAME MYTH also has the character of the Blessed Virgin Mary who was supposed to be a mortal woman who was without sin.

Well duh?

Why didn't God just create Mary from a rib of Adam and give Mary to Adam as his helpmate? Then he could have avoided having to having to have his son butchered on a pole to appease himself so he could forgive mankind.

The whole story just doesn't add up.

There are far too many serious holes in it. The biblical God would need to have been utterly stupid to have done all the things that the Bible demands that he did.

Not the least of which would have been to TEACH and COMMAND men to MURDER HEATHENS, and then turn around and send his only begotten son to DENOUNCE these very teachings and thus become a HEATHEN!

According to the Biblical story God would need to either be a serious sadist, or suffering from some serious dementia.

These things just don't add up. The story isn't anywhere near 'divine'. It necessarily had to have been the utterly stupid and not-very-well-thought-out blaspheme of men. Male chauvinisitc men who needed to make-up a God to justify their murdering of HEATHENS.

I don't see how anyone can justify this story as being from any divine being. It just isn't divine in any way shape or form.

indeed, jesus be a false prophet to any that deem the words as not true???

is this not true equally with all the words that come out of the human mouth???

jesus but said all humans were as equal to him, with the words, "all ye are god's", as the definition of what be a actual god could even be ignored, and left out for now, leaving the greater fact, that all were deemed to have equal essence, EQUAL POWER, EQUAL ABILITY, AS JESUS???

is not the same witnessed in many other sayings as well???

all are child gods???

so all are child son god's, and all are child female god's, until reaching adult status???

what is adult status???

if one believe in such things, would not these things apply to what believe it???

so who is an adult god???

anyone???

so who is a child god???

anyone???

so who call jesus god, and does not make this an equal to and for all, follow not the very words set forth by the very speaker professed as god???

if each is a child god, then each an adult god, the is not a god all the five fold ministry???

so all are prophets???

is not each voice as a prophet, as each voice say what it deem as truth, and if it happen, it was a true prophet, and if it does not, false prophet???

so each thing that speak, speak as a true and false prophet???

a child god, not yet adult, speak some things that do nto happen???

a true prophet be only what speak that happens, no matter what, no exceptions???

so a true prophet, only be an adult god, an adult prophet???

does not each human, speak into reality, what it next will think, what it will then next react with, in it's reactions???

the hearer decide what is true or not true, in itself???

so if something decide some words are true, the act of believing them, make them as come true within self???

well, if one prophecy to me, and tell me JOE SMITH is an asshole, and i believe this, DID NOT THE WORDS BECOME AS TRUE FOR ME???

DID THEY NOT NOW CREATE IN ME A DIFFERENT PERCEPTION, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THEM???

so words believed, make what is, by determining the human perception, which create the next thoughts, the next words, then the deeds???

i walk past said JOE SMITH, the asshole, and ALL MY ENERGY, HAS BEEN CHANGED WITH THIS PROPHECY I BELIEVED, WHICH WAS AS TRUE, BECAUSE I BELIEVED IT, AND NOW MY REACTION TO JOE HAS THUS BEEN TO HIM, AS HE IS ASSHOLE JOE SMITH, AND I SNUB HIM???

now, unless i get better data, from him, that show and tell me how he is not really an asshole, then still within me???

so really, anything that deem truth, only see thru it's own insecurity anyhow, but nonetheless, until this has been changed in my perception, it IS A PART OF ME???

IT IS AND NOW HAS BECOME PART OF MY ESSENCE???

because i heard from a false prophet???

well, what JOE SMITH SAID TO THE OTHER, DID MAKE THE OTHER "FEEL" JOE SMITH WAS AN ASSHOLE, SO WAS IT NOT TRUE???

so the true hearer, that is not tainted by "false prohpecy", or changed by any words when not wanting to be, always decide words are true, AND BUT THEN ONLY ADD TO THEM, NOT SAYING THEY WERE NOT TRUE???

did jesus deny any words said to come from satan???

never said one word was not true???

just added to it, as to deny anything, make self become it in some similar essence or form, OR MAKE THE WORDS TO HAVE POWER OVER SELF???

WHAT WORDS DESRTOY SELF CONFIDENCE???

ONLY WORDS DENIED AS TRUE???

does not a comic, that accept all negative of self, use them for profit and even self gain???

a negative, a could be deemed false truth, takern and turned into truth, so then the truth give good power???

if this were not true, ALL THINGS WOULD BE ONLY A FALSE PROPHET???

the insight of the hearer, decide WHAT IS TAKEN, FROM THE SPEAKER, AND DECIDE WHAT TO CREATE WITH IT????

SO THE HEARER DEFINE, AND EITHER MAKE IT AS FALSE OR TRUE???

is this not why jesus said, any that do not believe will not be judged???

the words of anything, denied, show self made a judgment, so MAN ITSELF IS THE JUDGE, OF WHAT BECOME???

so the hearer deem words as true, and they then become as reality, or effecting or entering into, the reality one create itself???

and if they are heard as false, theyn still CHANGE THE PERCEPTION, AS THIS DATA HEARD, WAS DENIED, SO NOW STILL CHANGE THE PERSON, AND MAKE IT REACT ALWAYS, AND BE UNDER THE DEFENSE, OR LAW, OF ALWAYS DEFEDNING AGAINST THE WORDS DENNIED AS TRUE???

EITHER WAY, ALL WORDS CHANGE, AS TO TRUE AND FALSE, OR GOOD AND BAD THINGS, SO ALL THINGS SPEAK, WHAT WILL CREATE GOOD AND NOT AS GOOD THINGS???

many things jesus said, DID INDEED CREATE MUCH LESS GOOD???

MANY HAVE DIED AND BEEN KILLED OVER THE WORDS???

so abra, you are indeed correct, jesus was indeed a true and false prophet, as all things are???

so which each thing that speak???

both???

it is the only way all the logic can remain, no matter how bad i suck at explaining it, lol...

peace to peace

And that is the sum total of the so-called account of the son of God outside of the Bible. Written by an alleged character who may not have even existed except as a pen name for someone else.

Prove that Josephus was a real person, and not a fictional character or a pen name. There is no record of his death. He was considered a traitor to the Jews, adopting a roman name. (He was not a Roman.)

This one alleged historian is all Christians ever refer to, and I don't believe he was who they claim him to be.