Topic: 8 Reasons why I believe Christ Rose from the DEAD.
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Fri 03/13/09 12:57 PM
Forgive me for my last comment. PPL have the right to "believe" as they wish in America. If you chose to be a christian (or any other "faith/religion"), blessings to you i hope it bring you peace, hope, joy & comfort to your life. BUT DONT CONDEMN OTHERS FOR NOT THINKING AS YOU DO!!!grumble

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Fri 03/13/09 01:01 PM
Yes, stoning was an old testament practice used by a group of people chosen by God to be Holy. The payment for sin had not come yet in its fullness. God chose this group of people and no one else, and revealed himself to them in a special way. Because of this he had certain laws that had to be followed. Today we are under new covenant with God. God is HOLY.


Why is it that "god" can't do things that humans have no problem doing. He had to send his son/himself to be killed to forgive us? Why not just forgive us? I have forgiven people who have wronged me, without requiring a blood sacrifice. Doesn't that make me(and everyone else who is able to forgive without murder) better than god?

Now, why would it be okay then, but not okay now? If the bible is the "word of god" as you claim, why is it now not acceptable to stone people? People don't read holy books as "that was good for then" they read the books as "It's the word of god, it's forever!"

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Fri 03/13/09 01:19 PM

I don't believe in "Christ" & have been told that i'm going to "HELL"

:tongue: At least, it will be warm.:tongue:





You have a misunderstanding of hell. Hell is separation from God. God is love. Hell will be the absence of love. God is good. Hell will be the absence all that is good. Hate will consume you. Hope will be lost. The bible uses metaphorical language when speaking about hell. It is a scary thing to be lost from God forever.

Now it is the love of God that leads us to repentance, so I dont say this hoping you will now turn from your sins and repent. I say this only to correct you, hoping you now realize what it is we are talking about.

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Fri 03/13/09 01:21 PM

Forgive me for my last comment. PPL have the right to "believe" as they wish in America. If you chose to be a christian (or any other "faith/religion"), blessings to you i hope it bring you peace, hope, joy & comfort to your life. BUT DONT CONDEMN OTHERS FOR NOT THINKING AS YOU DO!!!grumble




Am i free to express my worldview?

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Fri 03/13/09 01:32 PM

Yes, stoning was an old testament practice used by a group of people chosen by God to be Holy. The payment for sin had not come yet in its fullness. God chose this group of people and no one else, and revealed himself to them in a special way. Because of this he had certain laws that had to be followed. Today we are under new covenant with God. God is HOLY.


Why is it that "god" can't do things that humans have no problem doing. He had to send his son/himself to be killed to forgive us? Why not just forgive us? I have forgiven people who have wronged me, without requiring a blood sacrifice. Doesn't that make me(and everyone else who is able to forgive without murder) better than god?

Now, why would it be okay then, but not okay now? If the bible is the "word of god" as you claim, why is it now not acceptable to stone people? People don't read holy books as "that was good for then" they read the books as "It's the word of god, it's forever!"



God has done more than enough for you or I to be forgiven. God is long suffering, slow to anger, abounding in mercy. He shows us this at the cross, where for the first time in eternity He was separated as it were from himself, as he took sin upon himself. Anyone can be forgiven, God made it so easy. But without the blood sacrifice, it is impossible to see God, for he is holy. We cannot stand in his presence in our present state. God is willing to forgive you if you ask.

The reason stoning people is no longer practiced is because a new covenant has come in between God and His people The full price of sin has been paid.

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Fri 03/13/09 02:40 PM
so nubby, youre saying a person is seperated from god because of sin...
priests who **** little boys/girls..sin
the church itself, being on of the largest businesses, if not the largest business on earth, living wealthy, building massive structures, wearing ridiculously expensive robes, and yet so much poverty in this world..sin
will your almighty god forgive these people?
would you forgive a child preditor being of such great faith?


and for you to say that because i dont believe in your god i am a sinner?

but ill give it to you for being right that all religions are man made (including yours).

to me anyone with a belief that there is an almighty god cleary has a mental disorder.

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Fri 03/13/09 02:45 PM


I don't believe in "Christ" & have been told that i'm going to "HELL"

:tongue: At least, it will be warm.:tongue:





You have a misunderstanding of hell. Hell is separation from God. God is love. Hell will be the absence of love. God is good. Hell will be the absence all that is good. Hate will consume you. Hope will be lost. The bible uses metaphorical language when speaking about hell. It is a scary thing to be lost from God forever.




if im a non believer, does that make me not lost?
i dont find myself hate filled at all, and am nowhere near scared of a magical man from up above. so i guess i live in hell each and every day...

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Fri 03/13/09 02:59 PM


Yes, stoning was an old testament practice used by a group of people chosen by God to be Holy. The payment for sin had not come yet in its fullness. God chose this group of people and no one else, and revealed himself to them in a special way. Because of this he had certain laws that had to be followed. Today we are under new covenant with God. God is HOLY.


Why is it that "god" can't do things that humans have no problem doing. He had to send his son/himself to be killed to forgive us? Why not just forgive us? I have forgiven people who have wronged me, without requiring a blood sacrifice. Doesn't that make me(and everyone else who is able to forgive without murder) better than god?

Now, why would it be okay then, but not okay now? If the bible is the "word of god" as you claim, why is it now not acceptable to stone people? People don't read holy books as "that was good for then" they read the books as "It's the word of god, it's forever!"



God has done more than enough for you or I to be forgiven. God is long suffering, slow to anger, abounding in mercy. He shows us this at the cross, where for the first time in eternity He was separated as it were from himself, as he took sin upon himself. Anyone can be forgiven, God made it so easy. But without the blood sacrifice, it is impossible to see God, for he is holy. We cannot stand in his presence in our present state. God is willing to forgive you if you ask.

The reason stoning people is no longer practiced is because a new covenant has come in between God and His people The full price of sin has been paid.


Your Holy Book tells a different story

The reason why stoning is not acceptable anymore is not a theological reason. Society Evolved. Now, to keep it's power, the religious have to claim that it is "just a story".

Also, I am still waiting for an answer on how you know that Jesus is the true story, and not any of the gods, from the 1000 years before Jesus, who share the same story with jesus..

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Fri 03/13/09 03:17 PM



Yes, stoning was an old testament practice used by a group of people chosen by God to be Holy. The payment for sin had not come yet in its fullness. God chose this group of people and no one else, and revealed himself to them in a special way. Because of this he had certain laws that had to be followed. Today we are under new covenant with God. God is HOLY.


Why is it that "god" can't do things that humans have no problem doing. He had to send his son/himself to be killed to forgive us? Why not just forgive us? I have forgiven people who have wronged me, without requiring a blood sacrifice. Doesn't that make me(and everyone else who is able to forgive without murder) better than god?

Now, why would it be okay then, but not okay now? If the bible is the "word of god" as you claim, why is it now not acceptable to stone people? People don't read holy books as "that was good for then" they read the books as "It's the word of god, it's forever!"



God has done more than enough for you or I to be forgiven. God is long suffering, slow to anger, abounding in mercy. He shows us this at the cross, where for the first time in eternity He was separated as it were from himself, as he took sin upon himself. Anyone can be forgiven, God made it so easy. But without the blood sacrifice, it is impossible to see God, for he is holy. We cannot stand in his presence in our present state. God is willing to forgive you if you ask.

The reason stoning people is no longer practiced is because a new covenant has come in between God and His people The full price of sin has been paid.


Your Holy Book tells a different story

The reason why stoning is not acceptable anymore is not a theological reason. Society Evolved. Now, to keep it's power, the religious have to claim that it is "just a story".

Also, I am still waiting for an answer on how you know that Jesus is the true story, and not any of the gods, from the 1000 years before Jesus, who share the same story with jesus..


Here is a link to answer your question. EDWIN M. YAMAUCHI is professor of history at Miami University , ohio. Edwin M. Yamauchi, who teaches courses in ancient Near Eastern ( Mesopotamian and Egyptian), Greek and Roman history, and early Christianity.


http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/yama.html

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Fri 03/13/09 03:21 PM

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Fri 03/13/09 03:24 PM
haha sweet pic

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Fri 03/13/09 04:26 PM

so nubby, youre saying a person is seperated from god because of sin...
priests who **** little boys/girls..sin
the church itself, being on of the largest businesses, if not the largest business on earth, living wealthy, building massive structures, wearing ridiculously expensive robes, and yet so much poverty in this world..sin
will your almighty god forgive these people?
would you forgive a child preditor being of such great faith?


and for you to say that because i dont believe in your god i am a sinner?

but ill give it to you for being right that all religions are man made (including yours).

to me anyone with a belief that there is an almighty god cleary has a mental disorder.


still didnt answer me nubby....

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Fri 03/13/09 04:28 PM


so nubby, youre saying a person is seperated from god because of sin...
priests who **** little boys/girls..sin
the church itself, being on of the largest businesses, if not the largest business on earth, living wealthy, building massive structures, wearing ridiculously expensive robes, and yet so much poverty in this world..sin
will your almighty god forgive these people?
would you forgive a child preditor being of such great faith?


and for you to say that because i dont believe in your god i am a sinner?

but ill give it to you for being right that all religions are man made (including yours).

to me anyone with a belief that there is an almighty god cleary has a mental disorder.


still didnt answer me nubby....


Don't hold your breath.

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Fri 03/13/09 04:33 PM
haha i got nothing but time...cuz apparently im not getting into heaven....

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Fri 03/13/09 04:45 PM
Edited by CircuitRider on Fri 03/13/09 04:48 PM
Knowing what I know of HIM, this works for me... all the proof I needbigsmile :


Mark 16:5-7 (KJV)

5And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.

6And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

7But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.


:heart: biggrin




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Fri 03/13/09 05:09 PM

so nubby, youre saying a person is seperated from god because of sin...
priests who **** little boys/girls..sin
the church itself, being on of the largest businesses, if not the largest business on earth, living wealthy, building massive structures, wearing ridiculously expensive robes, and yet so much poverty in this world..sin
will your almighty god forgive these people?
would you forgive a child preditor being of such great faith?


and for you to say that because i dont believe in your god i am a sinner?

but ill give it to you for being right that all religions are man made (including yours).

to me anyone with a belief that there is an almighty god cleary has a mental disorder.



First of all you never judge a philosophy by its abuse. Becareful when you point the finger at the church. You forget about all the church does to help poverty, sexual abuse, ect. Those in power do more than you may think.

All sin shall be forgive men, even the most unimaginable. This is because Christ sacrifice on the cross cost him so much. For the first time in ETERNITY the Father as it were turned his back on him.



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Fri 03/13/09 05:14 PM
Edited by Inkracer on Fri 03/13/09 05:15 PM


so nubby, youre saying a person is seperated from god because of sin...
priests who **** little boys/girls..sin
the church itself, being on of the largest businesses, if not the largest business on earth, living wealthy, building massive structures, wearing ridiculously expensive robes, and yet so much poverty in this world..sin
will your almighty god forgive these people?
would you forgive a child preditor being of such great faith?


and for you to say that because i dont believe in your god i am a sinner?

but ill give it to you for being right that all religions are man made (including yours).

to me anyone with a belief that there is an almighty god cleary has a mental disorder.



First of all you never judge a philosophy by its abuse. Becareful when you point the finger at the church. You forget about all the church does to help poverty, sexual abuse, ect. Those in power do more than you may think.

All sin shall be forgive men, even the most unimaginable. This is because Christ sacrifice on the cross cost him so much. For the first time in ETERNITY the Father as it were turned his back on him.


You mean, like excommunicating the doctor who performed the abortion, and the mother who took the 9 year old girl to get the abortion. Instead of the 9 yr. old's father, who raped her, and caused the need for the abortion?

Also, when you look at Historically, what the church has done, it's not judging it by the abuse. You have the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, or even it's modern day stance against condoms in AIDS-riddled Africa.

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Fri 03/13/09 05:21 PM



I don't believe in "Christ" & have been told that i'm going to "HELL"

:tongue: At least, it will be warm.:tongue:





You have a misunderstanding of hell. Hell is separation from God. God is love. Hell will be the absence of love. God is good. Hell will be the absence all that is good. Hate will consume you. Hope will be lost. The bible uses metaphorical language when speaking about hell. It is a scary thing to be lost from God forever.




if im a non believer, does that make me not lost?
i dont find myself hate filled at all, and am nowhere near scared of a magical man from up above. so i guess i live in hell each and every day...




A non believer is lost with out God, he is stuck in his sin.
Hell will be the absence of love. You dont feel hate filled because of the work of God in your life. The feeling and emotions God has given you are important for the existence of free will.

Lewis points out, for the non believer it would be hell to be with God for eternity. Which means there is a deeper rejection going on than we may know.

We are not talking about a magical man from above. I am talking about a God who spoke the universe into existence by the power of his word.

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Fri 03/13/09 05:29 PM



so nubby, youre saying a person is seperated from god because of sin...
priests who **** little boys/girls..sin
the church itself, being on of the largest businesses, if not the largest business on earth, living wealthy, building massive structures, wearing ridiculously expensive robes, and yet so much poverty in this world..sin
will your almighty god forgive these people?
would you forgive a child preditor being of such great faith?


and for you to say that because i dont believe in your god i am a sinner?

but ill give it to you for being right that all religions are man made (including yours).

to me anyone with a belief that there is an almighty god cleary has a mental disorder.



First of all you never judge a philosophy by its abuse. Becareful when you point the finger at the church. You forget about all the church does to help poverty, sexual abuse, ect. Those in power do more than you may think.

All sin shall be forgive men, even the most unimaginable. This is because Christ sacrifice on the cross cost him so much. For the first time in ETERNITY the Father as it were turned his back on him.


You mean, like excommunicating the doctor who performed the abortion, and the mother who took the 9 year old girl to get the abortion. Instead of the 9 yr. old's father, who raped her, and caused the need for the abortion?

Also, when you look at Historically, what the church has done, it's not judging it by the abuse. You have the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, or even it's modern day stance against condoms in AIDS-riddled Africa.



I cant address every situation. I dont know the Church's position on every event. I do know, its important that we look to Christ. He is the author and founder of Christianity. You'll never believe anything if you judge each worldview the way you are judging Christianity.

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Fri 03/13/09 05:34 PM
I cant address every situation. I dont know the Church's position on every event. I do know, its important that we look to Christ. He is the author and founder of Christianity. You'll never believe anything if you judge each worldview the way you are judging Christianity.


huh

All I am doing is holding religion(yes ALL Religion) accountable for it's actions. I refuse to accept any cop-out answers, when the evidence is clear.