I dont my personal experience with God is enough. The four facts justify my belief.

Nubby,

You seem to know so many facts about Jesus and the bible. I was just curious as to when Jesus will return to Earth. The second coming (or THIRD coming I guess...since he already died and returned once).

Just because "Mary" isn't used as the mother's name doesn't make Jesus a new story/


Many stories have Isis as being either a Virgin, or Sexless.



You can't tell us when Jesus is born, therefore you can't say that Horus is "completely different" just because Horus actually has a birthday.



There you are right, Three wise men didn't visit Horus, Three Solar Deities did.



In the Book of the Dead, Horus is regarded as the Savior to Humanity, not only did he die for people, as I stated earlier he was crucified at least 1000 prior to Jesus.



Yet there are accounts of Horus going thru a ritual at the age of 12, and just like Jesus, we don't see him again until around the age of 30.



He was baptized in the river Eridanus. At the age of 30(just like Jesus) and the baptizer, in Horus' case Anup the Baptizer, met the same fate as John did, Beheaded.



Yet there is still plenty of evidence that Horus has many followers. At best, the NT authors changed the number, to present a "new" story.



Facts must be real fun when you make them up. All the research I have done shows that Horus was crucified, descended to Hell, 3 days later rose again, which was announced by 3 women.




All you have really proved is that small pieces of the story are different, The main pieces of the story are pretty much the same.




They are not facts, all you are doing is pulling them out of the bible, which is only one source.

More Similarities between Horus and Jesus:

Horus:
KRST, the anointed one.
Jesus:
Christ, the anointed one.

BOTH also referred to as:
The good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, the winnower.

Both were associated with the Zodiac sign of Pisces, the fish.

Main Symbols of BOTH:
Fish, beetle, the vine, shepherd's crook.

Comparison of the teachings:
Horus:
"I have given bread to the hungry man and water to the thirsty man and clothing to the naked person and a boat to the shipwrecked mariner."
Jesus:
"For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me..."

Horus:
"I am Horus in glory...I am the Lord of Light...I am the victorious one...I am the heir of endless time...I, even I, am he that knoweth the paths of heaven."
"I am Horus, the Prince of Eternity."
"I am Horus who stepeth onward through eternity...Eternity and everlastingness is my name."
"I am the possessor of bread in Anu. I have bread in heaven with Ra."

Jesus:
"I am the light of the world....I am the way, the truth and the life."
"Before Abraham was, I am"
"Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and today and forever."
"I am the living bread that came down from heaven."

eh sailor, has ye not yet heard, anything that die become but alive, and what ye human say be alive, be really as but somewhat dead, good knowledge but do fill the head, making it sink like lead, tying the hands and leading to led, hiding the simple behind complexities dread, that only steal the real and hide the bread, wait down with doctrinage and dogmafed, for let loose yer sails der sailor that bled, took for fear to polish the bed, for sails cannot billow while purtorting things once said, enter the sanctum and open sanction of love of other's instead, acceptence be greater blissality of entwined hearts as eye's with stead.

If I may pose a question here...

If God is everything then does that make God both GOOD AND EVIL?

Now for God to say "I am the only one" shows God even commits sin because God's statement is purely out of Vanity! Is not saying the God is Vengeful not branding God as a sinner as well because vengeance is a Christian sin?

Food for thought...

"1) Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.

Let’s take this one apart and deal with each separate issue:

Horus’ mother was not a virgin. She was married to Osiris, and there is no reason to suppose she was abstinent after marriage. Horus was, per the story, miraculously conceived. Seth had killed and dismembered Osiris, then Isis put her husband's dead body back together and had intercourse with it. In some versions, she used a hand-made phallus since she wasn't able to find that part of her husband. So while it was a miraculous conception, it was not a virgin birth.

Horus was given three different birthdates in mythology, one of which does correspond to December 25th. But since Jesus wasn't, per the evidence, born on 12/25, this isn't a parallel.

"Meri" (technically "Mr-ee") is the egyptian word for "beloved" and was apparently applied to Isis prior to Jesus' time, as a title, not as part of her name. But since there were probably thousands of women between Horus' time and Jesus' with a name or title that was a variation on "Mary", there's no real reason to suppose that Jesus' mother was named after Isis in particular.

Horus was born in a swamp, not a cave/manger. Acharya's footnotes for this point only make the claim that Jesus was born in a cave, and say nothing about Horus being born in one.

Horus' birth was not announced by a star in the east

There were no “three wise men” at Horus’ birth, or at Jesus’ for that matter (the Bible never gives the number of wise men, and they showed up at Jesus’ home, not at the manger, and probably when Jesus was a year or two old).

Acharya's source for the last two claims appears to be Massey, who says "the Star in the East that arose to announce the birth of the babe (Jesus) was Orion, which is therefore called the star of Horus. That was once the star of the three kings; for the 'three kings' is still a name of three stars in Orion's belt . . . " Massey's apparently getting mixed up, and then the critics are misinterpreting it. Orion is not a star, but a constellation, of which the 'three kings' are a part. And even if there is a specific star called 'the star of Horus', there's no legend stating that it announced Horus' birth (as the critics are claiming) or that the 'three wise men' (the three stars in Orion's belt) attended Horus' birth in any way.

2) His earthly father was named "Seb" ("Joseph").

First of all, there is no parallel between the Egyptian name “Seb” and the Hebrew name “Joseph”, other than the fact that they’re common names. Also, Seb was Osiris’ father, not Horus’.

3) He was of royal descent.

This one’s true! But it's not really a comparison to Jesus. When followers speak of Jesus being of 'royal descent', they usually mean His being a descendent of King David, an earthly king. Horus was, according to the myth, descended from heavenly royalty (as Jesus was), being the son of the main god.

4) At age 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized, having disappeared for 18 years.

He never taught in any temple and was never baptized. Also, Jesus didn't 'disappear' in the years between His teaching in the temple and baptism. He worked humbly as a carpenter.

5) Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by "Anup the Baptizer" ("John the Baptist"), who was decapitated.

Again, Horus was never baptized. There is no “Anup the Baptizer” in the story.

6) He had 12 disciples, two of whom were his "witnesses" and were named "Anup" and "Aan" (the two "Johns").

Horus had four disciples (called ‘Heru-Shemsu’). There’s another reference to sixteen followers, and a group of followers called ‘mesnui’ (blacksmiths) who join Horus in battle, but are never numbered. But there’s no reference to twelve followers or any of them being named “Anup” or “Aan”.

7) He performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus ("El-Osiris"), from the dead.

He did perform miracles, but he never exorcised demons or raised his father from the dead. Also, Osiris is never referred to as ‘El-Azarus’ or ‘El-Osiris’ (clearly an attempt to make his name more closely resemble the Bible’s “Lazarus”).

8) Horus walked on water.

No, he did not.

9) His personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father." He was thus called "Holy Child."

Horus was never referred to as “Iusa” (nor was anyone in Egyptian history - the word does not exist) or “Holy Child”.

10) He delivered a "Sermon on the Mount" and his followers recounted the "Sayings of Iusa."

Horus never delivered such a sermon, and, as pointed out above, he was never referred to as “Iusa”.

11) Horus was transfigured on the Mount.

No, he was not.

12) He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and resurrected.

Horus was never crucified. There’s an unofficial story in which he dies and is cast in pieces into the water, then later fished out by a crocodile at Isis’ request. This unofficial story is the only one in which he dies at all.

13) He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light," "Messiah," "God’s Anointed Son," the "Son of Man," the "Good Shepherd," the "Lamb of God," the "Word made flesh," the "Word of Truth," etc.

The only titles Horus is given are “Great God”, “Chief of the Powers”, “Master of Heaven”, and “Avenger of His Father”. None of the above titles are in any Egyptian mythology.

14) He was "the Fisher" and was associated with the Fish ("Ichthys"), Lamb and Lion.

He was never referred to as “the fisher”, and there are no lamb or lion in any of the stories. Acharya S.'s footnotes on this claim only show an association with fish (which is that Horus WAS a fish, unlike Jesus), with no evidence of his being called 'the fisher' or having any association with a lamb or lion.

15) He came to fulfill the Law.

There was no “law” he was supposed to fulfill.

16) Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One."

He was never referred to by either of these titles. "Krst", in Egyptian, means "burial", by the way. It wasn't a title.

17) Like Jesus, "Horus was supposed to reign one thousand years."

No mention of this in Egyptian mythology."

indeed the deception fill the ears and make long tears, as the only sin be seeking to hide self and make self straight, and venegence walk and be for anything that care more for other's than self attain, and only what try to polish itself and get itself in the gate, leave it's children in the storm and see ememies with hate, see not both good and evil are but the motive for what one create, who it all be done for those seeing beyond self fear of self fate, as indeed evil and good walk the land hand in hand, as god and the devil sublime, but to any that see past self fear's distraction and blinder hate.

Try doing actual research, instead of looking at Christian-apologist sites.

EVERY site I have gone to that does not have the agenda of "proving" that Jesus is not just a re-working of Horus' tale. Has said what I have put up here.

All you have really proved is that there are small differences that don't really matter in the long run of the story for each.
And each response you have given me is truly just the equivalent of acting like a child who doesn't get what they want. My Information is backed up by numerous UN-Biased sites.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm
http://culturalvision.net/html/pagan_religions.html
http://tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html

God is not everything, that would lead to contradiction.

I dont understand your second thought.

Go get em Inkracer...


That is some very compelling arguments you present!

You have your own apologists.
I have been doing research.

I use scholarship from both sides. I try to goto the leading scholars in there feild.

All your sources have a bias, which is ok. Everyone has a bias.

That last statement is laughable. IF that were true, you would NEVER say that the story of Jesus' resurrection was fact, simply because the bible is the one and only source for this. The only scholarship saying that it is fact is the Christian one.

As far as the sites I have used, NONE of them try to discredit one side or the other, they look at both stories, and note the similarities. Every site that I have found with information similar to what you have posted either doesn't have any sources for where they get the info from, or just flat out calls the Book of the Dead a Lie.

does not everything alive have it's own bias???

who speak without bias???

why a mind can never find, if information it try to divide, as all words as equal, be the only tell of any sequal, as leaving off any data at all, make for the fall, as this be pure bias, right from the start, direct from the heart.

Your lack of understanding on the subject makes you hard to debate with.

defenders of liberty and freedom of all as equal, regardless of belief or religion, touch the naked horns of the epic, the real, the fountain, the infintie, the unreal, the real life sequal.

YOU constantly point to the bible as fact.
YOU rarely give an answer to any point the other raise.
The only counterpoints YOU have used against Horus have either no merit, or don't to anything to change the similarity between Horus and Jesus.

Then you are going to say I'm the one lacking understanding?

truth is speculation from all parties involved.

Truth is likewise subjective.

The only real truth is that which can be proven through empirical means.

All religions fail under empirical analysis.

Faith cannot be viewed as truth in that faith is the ability to "believe" in unseen and intangible things like the concept of God and Gods without proof or personally witnessing events. Faith in its most rudimentary form is belief in someone or something.

Religion relies on the transposition of Faith for truth.

The existence of Jesus in itself is not questionable in that the Romans kept records of their citizens. Truth, Jesus was a man. BUT it is purely speculation that he was anything more than a man like you and me and every other testicle swinging male here.

In the bible the truth was his teachings which were for us to live in peace with one another. The lie is that the Old testament was the history of the Jews. The new testament is the history of Jesus. It really was the "NEW CONTRACT" God was supposed to have with man. Remember Jesus himself said there will be no more miracles? And yet the "Faithful" still chose to look for miracles in light of Jesus himself saying mo more shall happen.

The problem with faith is that a lie can perpetrate another and another and another until it snowballs to horrendous proportions. The ROMAN Catholic church still hides many documents from the light of intellectual day because it paints the Bible's truth in a whole different lie. I dearly would love to get my hands on a translated copy of the Scripture according to Judas! Supposedly he told the truth behind the crucifixion and from what little I know if it right at this moment Judas himself said he hated the idea that Jesus put him up to selling out his best friend. Judas loved Jesus like blood and supposedly wrote his part of it so he would not go down as a heartless betrayer. he wanted the truth known that Jesus was part of a plan among the Apostles. The church loves Martyrs. Jesus was the first for Christianity but not the first Martyr. In reality it is a popular theme in the middle east WAY back before written history.

does religion by design demand that there is no room for debate nubby?
you say that i am lost because i dont accept your god? a little condesending isnt it?
i dont know about you but all i understand is that you talk to god, but when does god ever talk back? you say through his actions he speaks...do you have any personal stories that you can actually say god has specifically answered one of your questions? i would really like to know.

another thing nubby. have you ever questioned your belief system?
let me relate it to something as simple at addition. when you are young you are taught 1+1=2, if you dont believe it, you can grab one apple, put it beside another apple and see for a fact that you have now 2 apples.
but when you are then taught that there is a magical man in the sky that sees you when youre sleeping, who knows when youre awake, who knows if youve been bad or good...wouldnt you want proof to actually believe in him? not just ancient stories from fearful men?